Fear The Walking Dead

[Warrior Spirit]

Was I supposed to understand why Alicia shot John or nah?

Cuz I didn't....

If she was aiming for Naomi/Laura for unknown reasons and hit John, she really sucks ass with a rifle lol.

I found it odd at first too but she was definitely aiming at Naomi. The why is probably unknown to the viewer with the way the show is going back and forth showing current and past timelines. For some reason, unbeknownst to the viewer, it was believed Naomi was dead. It was Luciana and Alicia who told John that Naomi was dead when he found the gun she had taken from him. As to how she died, they just said things went wrong back at the stadium. We can assume the Vultures had a lot to do with those things going wrong. Then when Alicia sees Naomi show up as part of the Vultures, it means Naomi betrayed her in some way. Maybe even blames her for the death of her brother. If Naomi was with the Vultures all along, I'm guessing she was the one closest to Charlie, who pulled the trigger on Nick.

 

[Ares]

That last episode had some really shitty writing.

3 people with rifles were facing off against like 20.... then Alicia turned her back on them to miss shooting Naomi by about 3-4 feet and shot John.

The writing completely skips how the **** Luciana, Strand, and Alicia didn't get gunned down immediately.

I don't care if those were 3 fucking NAVY SEALs standing in front of 20 armed people.... at that range.... point blank.... maybe Strand/Luciana get 2-4 of them but they definitely cut you down....

And then their firefight was hilarious.... culminating in Alicia using the grenade launcher on her rifle to Michael-Bay the **** outta that ambulance lol

The writing for the walker attack scene on the stadium was even worse...

You know what I wouldn't do, when I know someone is coming to attack me, and I know they have gathered thousands of walkers which they plan to unleash on me?

I wouldn't fucking sit and watch while they pull up in an Ice Cream truck driving within range of my gate..... I would shoot that truck up.

I wouldn't fucking sit and watch while they pull up in a bunch of delivery trucks, no doubt filled with walkers, and just let them set up and unleash the walkers on me... I would fucking light them up and turn their operation into a clusterfuck.

I wouldn't sit in an SUV in the middle of the parking lot where said walker unloading was taking place.

I wouldn't sit in said SUV in the middle of the parking lot while the walkers surrounded my SUV.

I would do literally anything but what Madison and co did....

All Alicia had to do, was to just drive away... drive over that line of burning tar... it wasn't a fucking 10 foot wide river of burning gasoline..... you could jump it on foot ffs.

It is reminiscent of Negan prancing around in front of an armed Rick where he could have just been shot dead.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

I want to bone Alicia. That is all I got from that episode. Though she was hotter on the show 100

 

[Ares]

I will just throw out a few tweaks to the writing they could have done to make it seem less Special person.

1. Alicia, Luciana, and Strand are in prepared (covered) positions when the Vultures arrive.

2. The ambulance doesn't explode in a fireball but rather the grenade explosion injures the driver and it flips sideways.... if you need it to catch on fire show the engine catch fire and the gas tank leaking before it then actually explodes.

3. The SUV Nick/Alicia drove back in could have been damaged and got stuck, run out of gas, wouldn't start.... some reason for them to sit there stuck.

4. Remove the Ice Cream truck fire thing, it made no sense.

5. Have Madison and co shoot at the approaching delivery trucks.... actually drawing the exiting walkers towards them.... maybe a few Vultures get hit and taken down.... no plan goes off that perfectly.

They seem to determine their outcomes and write shitty transitions to those outcomes and then they never bother to edit them so they flow well.

Idk how the actors/actresses doing these scenes don't ask how this makes sense.... is my character Special person?

 

[Houston]

One of the worst episodes I've ever seen in either shows. This show has always been bad but one thing that separated it from TWD is that the characters/story never seemed bottled up.

Now, they're literally surrounded in every direction by this stadium, which is awful, aesthetically speaking. There are no more open plains or seas to look at in the background, just empty seats. And when they're not doing that, they're driving in a cramped vehicle, circling the same few streets.

Did this show have a massive reduction in the budget or something? It's such a chore to look at.

 

[Ares]

One of the worst episodes I've ever seen in either shows. This show has always been bad but one thing that separated it from TWD is that the characters/story never seemed bottled up.

Now, they're literally surrounded in every direction by this stadium, which is awful, aesthetically speaking. There are no more open plains or seas to look at in the background, just empty seats. And when they're not doing that, they're driving in a cramped vehicle, circling the same few streets.

Did this show have a massive reduction in the budget or something? It's such a chore to look at.

Something tells me that was a thematic choice by the writers.... they want you to feel trapped ala the characters.

I think they should focus on writing more polished story instead of on deep thematic undertones.

I can't recall if you brought it up or someone else, but they are really robbing the show of suspense or drama with the Nolan-esque time hopping.

Lol 3 people in an SUV surrounded by Walkers who we know all survived.... soooo why as a viewer would I elicit much excitement or tension?

Other than Madison, we know what happens to all of these named characters.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

No problem understanding why their ratings continue to fall. By the end of this season, I don’t think this show will be able to sustain itself. The story line is all over the place. You, first, see what has befallen characters and then wait forever for the backstory. The back and forth is annoying and, at times, unwatchable.

With Daryl taking Rick’s place and FTWD being murdered by its writers, not even merging the 2 together could help now.

 

[airtime143]

That was this biggest piece of shit I ever saw.
I was looking at the tv in disbelief when the rover got surrounded.

The gunfight looked like keystone cops.

The one and only thing that could have saved that steaming pile of garbage would have been if Lucy splattered Charlie's head all over the place.
But you just knew it wouldn't happen.

Worst. Episode. Ever.

 

[Ares]

That was this biggest piece of shit I ever saw.
I was looking at the tv in disbelief when the rover got surrounded.

The gunfight looked like keystone cops.

The one and only thing that could have saved that steaming pile of garbage would have been if Lucy splattered Charlie's head all over the place.
But you just knew it wouldn't happen.

Worst. Episode. Ever.

Is it just me or is alot of the writing very fixable.... so I wonder why professional writers are not reviewing/editing/fixing their story when it lacks believability/feasibility...

The time hopping initially seemed interesting, but at this point the only reveal left is whether Madison is alive or not (she is)...

Using that writing concept they should have paced out the back story where you were unsure of the fate of each named character and then they converge episode after episode where you find out their fate.

Instead they gave you the answer to most of the characters fate in the back story in episode 1.... it just seems like a waste of a concept.

 

[Houston]

I was confused when I first saw Nick this episode, and then I remembered he's only dead in one of the timelines. This means that the last scene with Nick wont even be his own death lol. What a cluster ****.

 

[airtime143]

Is it just me or is alot of the writing very fixable.... so I wonder why professional writers are not reviewing/editing/fixing their story when it lacks believability/feasibility...

The time hopping initially seemed interesting, but at this point the only reveal left is whether Madison is alive or not (she is)...

Using that writing concept they should have paced out the back story where you were unsure of the fate of each named character and then they converge episode after episode where you find out their fate.

Instead they gave you the answer to most of the characters fate in the back story in episode 1.... it just seems like a waste of a concept.

It is totally fixable.... It seems like much of the problem is someone in the writing room saying "we gotta be different than the walking dead... so what can we do?"

It was almost like they tried to make the worst episode possible.

From a stadium...designed to take in and let out tens of thousands of people quickly..... it would be impossible to trap a group in if they had even mediocre intelligence.

Imagine.... Rick trying to trot out a plan to surround Negan with zombies.... and he comes up with "wait till his car is parked in a parking lot with 360 degrees of open space around him, and we will slowly drive up in trucks, open the backs, put out ramps, and let zombies come at them from a single direction."

The other one that killed me....
The vultures meet on a horse track.
They must hve gone through a building and several gates to get on to the surface of the track. all so they can sit out in the open pinned between the barriers at the edge of the track.
Victor and co decide the best place to ambush them is by sitting out in the open so they can be spotted immediately.

With every plot point, there were ten thousand ways it wouldnt work, and only one single way that it would....and the single way that it would is if the people involved were dumb as a bag of hammers and had zero self preservation instinct.

Seriously, every last plot point was like that- It almost seems like it is the fever dream of someone in a delirium. Nothing anyone did...NOTHING... was anything that anyone with any logic at all would have found to be an acceptable plan.

 

[airtime143]

I do have to say I missed something that I just caught when I rewatched the episode...and I am actually looking forward to seeing it go down.

Since the color was washed out this season and I was too focused on the doors in the land rover sitting and waiting for death, I completely missed that fact that the zombies are covered in oil.
Strand says it as he is looking out.

That is a new and interesting use for walkers.... Send em as zombie torches. I initially thought the fire ring was to direct them...but it is there to ignite them.
Too bad everything else sucks so bad in this season...cause that is a damn fine idea.

However, twd makes it a point that walkers are attracted to fire.... So wouldn't they just huddle up in a big flaming group?

 

[airtime143]

ok... that sucked.
Madison is obviously alive. Saying "nobody is gone until they are gone" and then not showing her die is pretty obvious.

The only thing I will be wondering about is how they all meet back up. pretty damn weak overall.

I am getting sick of the whole forgiving people for awful shit, letting them live, and getting fucked over again by them. They should have scattered the brains of the girl who killed nick, they should have killed Al, mowed down naomi/laura/june with the truck and left morgan to fend for himself.



...madison... the new glenn. At least with Glenn they got me pretty good... the time he was laying on his back with the guts getting pulled out... only to find it was his buddys' guts and he escaped under the dumpster.

 

[Houston]

The preview for the return in August looked a lot better than what we just saw.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

The preview for the return in August looked a lot better than what we just saw.

They do that after every break lol then it’s same old same old routine

 

[Ares]

Watched it last night.... FTR they are confirming that Madison is dead.

Kim Dickens is all upset about it.

I found the whole end sequence Special person af.... they just skipped over how any of the shit happened.

I mean.... 3 people "cleared a path" to the car.... there were like a thousand zombies.

The people leaving "couldn't make it".... wouldn't they just drive really fast off to the right side and run over most of the zombies.... maybe 1 truck is rekt trying to run them all over but who in their right mind would have just like driven slowly into the horde and then sat there.... you would drive fast thru them or you would wreck your fucking car trying.

How the **** did so many of them get inside the stadium to attack June/Naomi/Laura if 3 people were "clearing a path" right thru them to the car?

Once the path was clear.... why the **** was Mel driving? Wouldn't Alicia or Nick have driven the car thru?

How did Mel navigate the parking lot in the car and pickup Charlie.... a parking lot so full of zombies that multiple vehicles with armed fighters couldn't make it thru?

How the **** did Charlie get out of the stadium overrun with Walkers without running into Madison and her group?

Once Charlie and Mel were in the car, how the **** did they get away.... same question as before.

HOW DID NICK/ALICIA/STRAND/LUCIANA GET TO A CAR? WHERE DID IT COME FROM? THEY WERE ON FOOT SURROUNDED BY THOUSANDS OF ZOMBIES.

WHY WAS THEIR CAR EMPTY AND NOT FILLED WITH OTHER PANICKED STADIUM SURVIVORS?

I mean I am supposed to believe Madison pied piper'd a few thousand zombies into a stadium that was mostly full of zombies already with just a flare.... they all followed her flare and opened these escape routes for all the cars?

Btw when did cars become so impervious to zombies? Most people could bash a window in if they gave zero fucks about the condition of their limbs after it was broken.... it seems like zombies would do just fine against car windows or alot more people would be alive.

Lastly.... wtf did Madison explode with her flare? They had no time nor resources to setup some kind of self destruct in case the zombies got in... did Michael Bay write this last episode?

EDIT: I forgot.... why the **** were they so mad at Laura/Naomi/June? I mean yes she escaped and joined the Vultures.... but there was no grand betrayal where that situation could have been thought to be her fault.... they confirm they thought she died inside.... like she either chose to not run away or she got caught up and died.... it wasn't one person doing something that caused the events that led to Madison's death..... them wanting to kill her so bad makes even less sense.

 

[airtime143]

Watched it last night.... FTR they are confirming that Madison is dead.

Kim Dickens is all upset about it.

I found the whole end sequence Special person af.... they just skipped over how any of the shit happened.

I mean.... 3 people "cleared a path" to the car.... there were like a thousand zombies.

The people leaving "couldn't make it".... wouldn't they just drive really fast off to the right side and run over most of the zombies.... maybe 1 truck is rekt trying to run them all over but who in their right mind would have just like driven slowly into the horde and then sat there.... you would drive fast thru them or you would wreck your fucking car trying.

How the **** did so many of them get inside the stadium to attack June/Naomi/Laura if 3 people were "clearing a path" right thru them to the car?

Once the path was clear.... why the **** was Mel driving? Wouldn't Alicia or Nick have driven the car thru?

How did Mel navigate the parking lot in the car and pickup Charlie.... a parking lot so full of zombies that multiple vehicles with armed fighters couldn't make it thru?

How the **** did Charlie get out of the stadium overrun with Walkers without running into Madison and her group?

Once Charlie and Mel were in the car, how the **** did they get away.... same question as before.

HOW DID NICK/ALICIA/STRAND/LUCIANA GET TO A CAR? WHERE DID IT COME FROM? THEY WERE ON FOOT SURROUNDED BY THOUSANDS OF ZOMBIES.

WHY WAS THEIR CAR EMPTY AND NOT FILLED WITH OTHER PANICKED STADIUM SURVIVORS?

I mean I am supposed to believe Madison pied piper'd a few thousand zombies into a stadium that was mostly full of zombies already with just a flare.... they all followed her flare and opened these escape routes for all the cars?

Btw when did cars become so impervious to zombies? Most people could bash a window in if they gave zero fucks about the condition of their limbs after it was broken.... it seems like zombies would do just fine against car windows or alot more people would be alive.

Lastly.... wtf did Madison explode with her flare? They had no time nor resources to setup some kind of self destruct in case the zombies got in... did Michael Bay write this last episode?

EDIT: I forgot.... why the **** were they so mad at Laura/Naomi/June? I mean yes she escaped and joined the Vultures.... but there was no grand betrayal where that situation could have been thought to be her fault.... they confirm they thought she died inside.... like she either chose to not run away or she got caught up and died.... it wasn't one person doing something that caused the events that led to Madison's death..... them wanting to kill her so bad makes even less sense.

On the car window front... I can believe that a rolled up window would take a hefty onslaught... I can think of a shit ton of you tube vids with people fucking themselves up badly trying to break car Windows.
In this reality zombies seem to be fairly ignorant and single minded...just pushing forward and only using their arms to grab and pull.
They can't even manage a ladder, so I can buy them not understanding how to smash something.

As for what Madison ignited, it was the horde. They did a shit job of explaining it and showing it.
I mentioned in a post last week that it was a quick, poorly emphasized statement...

When nick and co. Were stuck in the rover and Madison wants to get them, strand says "you can't go out there they are covered in oil".

It sucked that they did such a shit job showing the attack.
The vultures had a wicked ass plan that woukd have been great to see had the show not failed so badly.

The ice cream truck laid the trail of fire.
Fire attracts the zombies, who walk through it and ignite head to toe.
I was hoping they would show the flaming zombies piling up on the wall and setting the place on fire.

They must have run in to stunt problems or something, because if you didn't catch strands statement, none of it made sense.
The directing and what was laid out in the episode did not explain any of it.

Going back to what you said a couple weeks back about the people exploding in to exposition... Well... They really could have used some for the vultures on their plan.

It was a shit couple episodes top to bottom.

 

[Houston]

Again, the budget must be low.

 

[Ares]

Again, the budget must be low.

I mean... they had the budget to show all the tar/burned zombies inside the stadium.

Idk why you build up to that zombie hoard attack and then gloss over it and all the details of it.

The last 2 episodes made a seemingly decent 8 episode story arc into a confusing shitshow.

 

[Ares]

On the car window front... I can believe that a rolled up window would take a hefty onslaught... I can think of a shit ton of you tube vids with people fucking themselves up badly trying to break car Windows.
In this reality zombies seem to be fairly ignorant and single minded...just pushing forward and only using their arms to grab and pull.
They can't even manage a ladder, so I can buy them not understanding how to smash something.

As for what Madison ignited, it was the horde. They did a shit job of explaining it and showing it.
I mentioned in a post last week that it was a quick, poorly emphasized statement...

When nick and co. Were stuck in the rover and Madison wants to get them, strand says "you can't go out there they are covered in oil".

It sucked that they did such a shit job showing the attack.
The vultures had a wicked ass plan that woukd have been great to see had the show not failed so badly.

The ice cream truck laid the trail of fire.
Fire attracts the zombies, who walk through it and ignite head to toe.
I was hoping they would show the flaming zombies piling up on the wall and setting the place on fire.

They must have run in to stunt problems or something, because if you didn't catch strands statement, none of it made sense.
The directing and what was laid out in the episode did not explain any of it.

Going back to what you said a couple weeks back about the people exploding in to exposition... Well... They really could have used some for the vultures on their plan.

It was a shit couple episodes top to bottom.

The zombies were covered in flammable oil, and they walked thru a wall of fire which was meant to light them on fire.... but most of the ones going after Madison were not on fire.

And even if we buy this... they were all covered in flammable tar of some kind.... why in the **** would one flare cause the flammable tarred zombies to explode like that?

And even if we buy that.... why wouldn't all of them have exploded or most? Why didn't the fire wall cause any of them to explode?

Sorry, the flammable tar doesn't explain that ending explosion where Madison died.

Again this writing could have been fixed very fucking easily.... portable propane tank.... show Madison holding it.... she tucks the flare into the top of it ala Dawn of the Dead.... then she shoots the tank causing the explosion that kills her and many of the zombies.

It would have cost them like a 60$ propane tank prop.... they get their explosion, and it doesn't seem Special person.

Maybe their budget got messed up and they couldn't do this the way they wanted... but it doesn't excuse this kind of shit storytelling with gaping holes you could cover over pretty easily so the thing flows better.