Fields: Lost his Balls???

[run and shoot]

eventually the best pocket will collapse given enough time, This is another problem that Fields has, he holds onto the ball too long, which is because he does not process whats happening quickly enough. But cherry picking one game and trying to extrapolate that all games would look like that if he had a pocket is flawed when 99% of his INT came when the OL gave him plenty of time and a clean pocket.

Fields has a major flaw to his game and if he doesnt figure this out quickly he will be done in Chicago. I originally figured he would get most of this year if not all of it barring injury. With how much flack the coaches are getting and Getsy coming out that its execution that is the problem, I'm thinking that leash is a lot shorter now.

"This is another problem that Fields has, he holds onto the ball too long, which is because he does not process whats happening quickly enough. But cherry picking one game and trying to extrapolate that all games would look like that if he had a pocket is flawed"

In 2022 the wr's weren't getting separation along with mediocre pass pro. JT showed u the messed up route design.
I've shown other footage of JF improvising and getting rid of the ball (Anytime23 was nice enough to provide the Steeler footage in
link #42 )
There's no "cherry picking one game". I can supply other footage.



"Getsy coming out that its execution that is the problem,"

Getsy needs to execute a real NFL game plan with NFL route design ( See what JT says about this issue)
.(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis)

 

[remydat]

Ok so no commentary on .....@24:44 and @25:07 in link #67 (Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) ???
And bad route combinations
I've mentioned the above several times. But ur gonna continue to drive by it ....right ???

I already gave you commentary. Getsy was terrible and so was Fields. It was BOTH!

 

[run and shoot]

I already gave you commentary. Getsy was terrible and so was Fields. It was BOTH!

Not really ( when it came to the awful route combinations).

You continue to not acknowledge the lack of Qb development JF has received.
You continue to not acknowledge that JF is just following orders. Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof. I've never seen this coaching staff take responsibity / accountability and say .....they need to do better as coaches

 

[dbldrew]

In 2022 the wr's weren't getting separation along with mediocre pass pro.

Not true, my entire argument all last year was Fields was slow to process and he didn't actually throw the ball to open WRs.. I would post examples and screen shots of guys with lots of separation that Fields half the time was looking directly at and not throw the ball.

This problem that we saw in the first game this year has happened in pretty much every game last year.

It is what it is, was hoping he would of taken a big step forward this year In Year 3.. so far after the first game that hasn't happened..

His problem with not quickly processing is 100% on him and has nothing to do with the, OL, or the OC or the WR.. guys are getting open and he is slow to process that..

 

[remydat]

Not really ( when it came to the awful route combinations).

You continue to not acknowledge the lack of Qb development JF has received.
You continue to not acknowledge that JF is just following orders. Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof. I've never seen this coaching staff take responsibity / accountability and say .....they need to do better as coaches

Again Getsy was terrible. They is nothing more to say in that regard because agree.

Where we disagree is the constant excuses for Fields.

“Now, we have to do better. We have to coach it better. We have to make sure that guys execute it better. That’s where we have to get better at it, for sure.”

Here is Getsy just a few days ago saying he has to coach better. You dont know what you are talking about.

 

[remydat]

Not true, my entire argument all last year was Fields was slow to process and he didn't actually throw the ball to open WRs.. I would post examples and screen shots of guys with lots of separation that Fields half the time was looking directly at and not throw the ball.

This problem that we saw in the first game this year has happened in pretty much every game last year.

It is what it is, was hoping he would of taken a big step forward this year In Year 3.. so far after the first game that hasn't happened..

His problem with not quickly processing is 100% on him and has nothing to do with the, OL, or the OC or the WR.. guys are getting open and he is slow to process that..

Again that is not really a processing problem but more so indecisiveness and lack of aggression. Fields often times goes thru his progressions fine. He just for whatever reason doesnt throw it to guys he clearly sees that are NFL open. He needs to be more aggressive throwing the ball.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Again that is not really a processing problem but more so indecisiveness and lack of aggression. Fields often times goes thru his progressions fine. He just for whatever reason doesnt throw it to guys he clearly sees that are NFL open. He needs to be more aggressive throwing the ball.

Now you are splitting hairs.

 

[dabears70]

Except we have yet to see that happen. A game where fields has a perfect pocket and open guys all over the field.

He needs to be better, but the entire team and coaching staff has to be better. Developing a QB isn't on one guy.

Fields completes some of those open passes and we still lose by double digits, and you'd still find something to shit on him for.

This team is bad right now, extremely unprepared, and it has nothing to do with talent, at least on offense. Thats the most concerning part.

We have one great player on offense which is DJ Moore, what great talent do we have on offense besides him? I love Mooney but he's at the very best a #2 WR and maybe more of a really good #3 WR and Claypool..............enough said on him, we have a good, not great, TE in Kmet and a couple of guys that can run the ball but can't catch or pass protect and don't have top end speed. T.Jenkins is a great OL when he's healthy but he's hardly ever healthy. Then of course we have our QB who has serious issues as of now with his passing game and decision making but boy can that kid run the ball.

Look at all that offensive talent................

 

[bamainatlanta]

Now you are splitting straws.

It’s splitting hairs. Not straws. You only split a straw when you have an 8 ball and you & your stripper don’t have a dollar bill to roll up.

 

[nc0gnet0]

It’s splitting hairs. Not straws. You only split a straw when you have an 8 ball and you & your stripper don’t have a dollar bill to roll up.

But I am bald. And that is the hair that broke the camel's back!
*Fixed
But seriously, we need to draw a distinction from Decision-making and processing?

 

[run and shoot]

Again Getsy was terrible. They is nothing more to say in that regard because agree.

Where we disagree is the constant excuses for Fields.

“Now, we have to do better. We have to coach it better. We have to make sure that guys execute it better. That’s where we have to get better at it, for sure.”

Here is Getsy just a few days ago saying he has to coach better. You dont know what you are talking about.

"Here is Getsy just a few days ago saying he has to coach better."

I always provide & point to sources. Please....Provide the source for your statement...so I can look it up. Thanks


"Where we disagree is the constant excuses for Fields."

I've said that JF is still a young developing Qb. How is that an "excuse"? It's the truth.
In link #123 above I said.......
"Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof."

How is any of this making so called "excuses" ?

 

[run and shoot]

"This is another problem that Fields has, he holds onto the ball too long, which is because he does not process whats happening quickly enough. But cherry picking one game and trying to extrapolate that all games would look like that if he had a pocket is flawed"

In 2022 the wr's weren't getting separation along with mediocre pass pro. JT showed u the messed up route design.
I've shown other footage of JF improvising and getting rid of the ball (Anytime23 was nice enough to provide the Steeler footage in
link #42 )
There's no "cherry picking one game". I can supply other footage.



"Getsy coming out that its execution that is the problem,"

Getsy needs to execute a real NFL game plan with NFL route design ( See what JT says about this issue)
.(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis)

Not true, my entire argument all last year was Fields was slow to process and he didn't actually throw the ball to open WRs.. I would post examples and screen shots of guys with lots of separation that Fields half the time was looking directly at and not throw the ball.

This problem that we saw in the first game this year has happened in pretty much every game last year.

It is what it is, was hoping he would of taken a big step forward this year In Year 3.. so far after the first game that hasn't happened..

His problem with not quickly processing is 100% on him and has nothing to do with the, OL, or the OC or the WR.. guys are getting open and he is slow to process that..

1) so u are going to disregard >>>> Getsy needs to execute a real NFL game plan with NFL route design ( See what JT says about this issue @25:00) .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) ????

2) "I would post examples and screen shots of guys with lots of separation that Fields half the time was looking directly at and not throw the ball."

Live footage would be better. Still screen shots don't effectively show route movement and the all important >>>pass pro

3) "............not quickly processing is 100% on him and has nothing to do with the, OL, or the OC or the WR.. guys are getting open and he is slow to process that.."

Can u please step back and re-evaluate your statement above.....thanks

 

[pdxbearsfan]

https://x.com/butkusstats/status/1701952146097201493?s=46

Sounds like the coaching staff is hell bent on changing him as a player by removing his greatest strengths. Discuss cordially.

Not sure what the coaches are trying to do with JF. Let him play. One of the most talented athletic guys to ever come along. His Test scores are some of the highest ever recorded by a QB or any other position, He should have no problem reading defenses and throwing with accuracy.
I'm tired of all the training wheels let him play and he will shine.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Coaching staff decided fields was too good at running and throwing deep, and defenses would expect it. So they turned him into chad pennington.

good point.

 

[remydat]

Now you are splitting hairs.

No huge difference. A lot easier to get someone to pull the trigger than getting someone to work through progressions if they suck at it.

 

[remydat]

"Here is Getsy just a few days ago saying he has to coach better."

I always provide & point to sources. Please....Provide the source for your statement...so I can look it up. Thanks


"Where we disagree is the constant excuses for Fields."

I've said that JF is still a young developing Qb. How is that an "excuse"? It's the truth.
In link #123 above I said.......
"Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof."

How is any of this making so called "excuses" ?

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/luke-getsy-finds-reasons-for-bears-offensive-optimism

You are making excuses because Getsy issues doesn't excuse Fields for missing guys downfield.

Where have you said Fields missed guys downfield? You posted what JT said and completely ignored JT said Fields missed guys downfield.

 

[dbldrew]

Again that is not really a processing problem but more so indecisiveness and lack of aggression. Fields often times goes thru his progressions fine. He just for whatever reason doesnt throw it to guys he clearly sees that are NFL open. He needs to be more aggressive throwing the ball.

Whatever you want to call it is ultimately irrelevant, he looks at wide open guys and does not throw the ball, so if that's because he is processing slowly, or gets tunnel vision, or is scared to throw, or whatever reason you want to call it.. this is a Fields problem that will ultimately end his starting QB career if he doesn't figure it out.

 

[dbldrew]

1) so u are going to disregard >>>> Getsy needs to execute a real NFL game plan with NFL route design ( See what JT says about this issue @25:00) .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) ????

2) "I would post examples and screen shots of guys with lots of separation that Fields half the time was looking directly at and not throw the ball."

Live footage would be better. Still screen shots don't effectively show route movement and the all important >>>pass pro

3) "............not quickly processing is 100% on him and has nothing to do with the, OL, or the OC or the WR.. guys are getting open and he is slow to process that.."

Can u please step back and re-evaluate your statement above.....thanks

Yes I'm going to disregard Getsy when pointing out Fields massive flaw to his game, his flaw has nothing to do Getsy and has nothing to do with the OL..

He does not throw the ball to open WR way too much, changing the OC to call different plays is not going to solve that issue, that's on Fields to figure out, and you can't blame anyone else other then fields for that issue

 

[run and shoot]

"Here is Getsy just a few days ago saying he has to coach better."

I always provide & point to sources. Please....Provide the source for your statement...so I can look it up. Thanks


"Where we disagree is the constant excuses for Fields."

I've said that JF is still a young developing Qb. How is that an "excuse"? It's the truth.
In link #123 above I said.......
"Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof."

How is any of this making so called "excuses" ?

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/luke-getsy-finds-reasons-for-bears-offensive-optimism

You are making excuses because Getsy issues doesn't excuse Fields for missing guys downfield.

Where have you said Fields missed guys downfield? You posted what JT said and completely ignored JT said Fields missed guys downfield.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/luke-getsy-finds-reasons-for-bears-offensive-optimism

This quote below from the article is about as close, as Getsy comes to taking accountability and responsibility.....
"One, it's making sure that we do a better job of getting guys coached up on what they're gonna see and those guys have to go out and execute it,"

Then he goes on to deflecting it back on the players. He just doesn't hold himself 100 % accountable as a coach / OC
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"You posted what JT said and completely ignored JT said Fields missed guys downfield."
I analyzed the route combinations. Given some of those route combinations......JF decided to check down.
Do you know why & what a particular safety does on certain route combinations?

"You are making excuses because Getsy issues doesn't excuse Fields for missing guys downfield."

I've said that JF is still a young developing Qb. How is that an "excuse"? It's the truth.
In link #123 above I said.......
"Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof."

>>>How is any of this making so called "excuses" ?

 

[run and shoot]

1) so u are going to disregard >>>> Getsy needs to execute a real NFL game plan with NFL route design ( See what JT says about this issue @25:00) .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) ????

2) "I would post examples and screen shots of guys with lots of separation that Fields half the time was looking directly at and not throw the ball."

Live footage would be better. Still screen shots don't effectively show route movement and the all important >>>pass pro

3) "............not quickly processing is 100% on him and has nothing to do with the, OL, or the OC or the WR.. guys are getting open and he is slow to process that.."

Can u please step back and re-evaluate your statement above.....thanks

Yes I'm going to disregard Getsy when pointing out Fields massive flaw to his game, his flaw has nothing to do Getsy and has nothing to do with the OL..

He does not throw the ball to open WR way too much, changing the OC to call different plays is not going to solve that issue, that's on Fields to figure out, and you can't blame anyone else other then fields for that issue

Let me get this straight....OL pass pro has nothing to do with a Qb finding wr's......is that correct?