Fields: Lost his Balls???

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dbldrew said:
Whatever you want to call it is ultimately irrelevant, he looks at wide open guys and does not throw the ball, so if that's because he is processing slowly, or gets tunnel vision, or is scared to throw, or whatever reason you want to call it.. this is a Fields problem that will ultimately end his starting QB career if he doesn't figure it out.
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It isn't irrelevant. You can't fix something if you don't know what it is. I would also say this is easier to fix than if he was struggling with progressions. Having said that Trubiksy also had this issue and never fixed it so time will tell.
 
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run and shoot said:
https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/luke-getsy-finds-reasons-for-bears-offensive-optimism

This quote below from the article is about as close, as Getsy comes to taking accountability and responsibility.....
"One, it's making sure that we do a better job of getting guys coached up on what they're gonna see and those guys have to go out and execute it,"

Then he goes on to deflecting it back on the players. He just doesn't hold himself 100 % accountable as a coach / OC
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"You posted what JT said and completely ignored JT said Fields missed guys downfield."
I analyzed the route combinations. Given some of those route combinations......JF decided to check down.
Do you know why & what a particular safety does on certain route combinations?

"You are making excuses because Getsy issues doesn't excuse Fields for missing guys downfield."

I've said that JF is still a young developing Qb. How is that an "excuse"? It's the truth.
In link #123 above I said.......
"Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof."

>>>How is any of this making so called "excuses" ?
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Don't move goalposts. This was your statement.

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I've never seen this coaching staff take responsibity / accountability and say .....they need to do better as coaches
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You literally said you have never seen them say they need to do better as coaches and then when I show you them saying they need to be better as coaches you not change it to 100% accountable. You were wrong.

JT is fully aware of the route combinations and made it clear JF should have thrown down field and not checked down on several cases. So again you are making excuses. He should not have checked down in those situations. You are wrong.
 
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remydat said:
It isn't irrelevant. You can't fix something if you don't know what it is. I would also say this is easier to fix than if he was struggling with progressions. Having said that Trubiksy also had this issue and never fixed it so time will tell.
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It's irrelevant for our debate because we are not going to "fix" him..

The problem whatever it is is between Fields ears and has nothing to do with the offensive scheme or called plays.
 
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Haven’t read a single post the last 4 pages but I see the CCS all star crew going at it in here. Heavy stuff I’m sure!
 
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run and shoot said:
Let me get this straight....OL pass pro has nothing to do with a Qb finding wr's......is that correct?
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That's not fields problem, he is looking directly at the open WR and not pulling the trigger, be it slow to process (what I think his problem is) or tunnel vision, or whatever the issue is with him that is causing him to hesitate, has nothing to do with the OL, or the OC.. his problem is because of him.

Ultimately a bad OL should be causing the opposite problem where he is throwing too fast because he doesn't think he has the time, but his is the opposite where he holds the ball to long and hesitates to throw to open guys, which is why I think he has a processing problem
 
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Don't move goalposts. This was your statement.



You literally said you have never seen them say they need to do better as coaches and then when I show you them saying they need to be better as coaches you not change it to 100% accountable. You were wrong.

JT is fully aware of the route combinations and made it clear JF should have thrown down field and not checked down on several cases. So again you are making excuses. He should not have checked down in those situations. You are wrong.
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"You are making excuses because Getsy issues doesn't excuse Fields for missing guys downfield."

I've said that JF is still a young developing Qb. How is that an "excuse"? It's the truth.
In link #123 above I said.......
"Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof."

>>>How is any of this making so called "excuses" ?

How is any of this "goalposts." ?
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https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/luke-getsy-finds-reasons-for-bears-offensive-optimism

I read the article. And Getsy answered in a deflective manner.

As for JT... he talks about awful route combinations @25:00 .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) ????
And u dodged my question on why & what a particular safety does on certain route combinations. I wanted to explain something about coverages. But... That's ok.
 
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That's not fields problem, he is looking directly at the open WR and not pulling the trigger, be it slow to process (what I think his problem is) or tunnel vision, or whatever the issue is with him that is causing him to hesitate, has nothing to do with the OL, or the OC.. his problem is because of him.

Ultimately a bad OL should be causing the opposite problem where he is throwing too fast because he doesn't think he has the time, but his is the opposite where he holds the ball to long and hesitates to throw to open guys, which is why I think he has a processing problem
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This video shows when the pass pro and routes are there JF does get the ball out quickly. Other videos show this too. I know,....you don't like it.
 
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This video shows when the pass pro and routes are there JF does get the ball out quickly. Other videos show this too. I know,....you don't like it.
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This is not a counter to anything, I can post highlight videos of Mitch as well..
Mitch struggled with the mental side of things as well, does a highlight video of Mitch magically make that flaw in his game disappear?

Fields has a ton of natural talent, but if he can't figure out the mental part of the game then all that natural talent becomes useless and he will follow in Mitches footsteps..
 
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Haven’t read a single post the last 4 pages but I see the CCS all star crew going at it in here. Heavy stuff I’m sure!
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You ain’t missing much.
 
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those tweets arent showing for me on CCS but i guess its the Steelers tweets. Mfers need to start paying me royalties for stealing my observations.
 

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dbldrew said:
That's not fields problem, he is looking directly at the open WR and not pulling the trigger, be it slow to process (what I think his problem is) or tunnel vision, or whatever the issue is with him that is causing him to hesitate, has nothing to do with the OL, or the OC.. his problem is because of him.

Ultimately a bad OL should be causing the opposite problem where he is throwing too fast because he doesn't think he has the time, but his is the opposite where he holds the ball to long and hesitates to throw to open guys, which is why I think he has a processing problem
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I think his coordinator has told him so many times to protect the ball and take the check down that he processes fine he just doesn't see a high percentage then dumps it. He needs to risk and gamble more and that comes from OC and head coach who says you throw it if it gets picked I'll take the heat. Mahomes in the pocket ONLY is not a threat neither is top ten QBs. He is not needing to be fixed he needs to be maximized. Favre and Steve Young had that mentality and look where it got them. He ain't them in the pocket but he throws accurately on the run out there he excels. So that's called a STRENGTH use it ffs. I don't give a flying fuk if he rolls out every play as long as we manage it and win the game. The defense (like last year) should have the fear of God that he turns them into a highlight reel. Old school Jordan posterized. Instead they see him growing roots and attack HIM the other way around smh. Getsy got one more game with me to go back to at least last year's playbook. With these complimentary weapons they should be rolling. Instead he trying to put baby in a corner and everyone knows NO ONE puts baby in a corner. The defense honestly should not know where the next gouge is coming from if was working right. Our defense that's another thread but blitzing should be mandatory for two downs out of the four you pick em.
 
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dbldrew said:
It's irrelevant for our debate because we are not going to "fix" him..

The problem whatever it is is between Fields ears and has nothing to do with the offensive scheme or called plays.
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It is still relevant to to the debate because it isn't as dire as you are making it sound when you claim he can't process or read defenses.
 
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run and shoot said:
"You are making excuses because Getsy issues doesn't excuse Fields for missing guys downfield."

I've said that JF is still a young developing Qb. How is that an "excuse"? It's the truth.
In link #123 above I said.......
"Like a true leader......JF has taken accountability at various times for his
play or lack thereof."

>>>How is any of this making so called "excuses" ?

How is any of this "goalposts." ?
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https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/luke-getsy-finds-reasons-for-bears-offensive-optimism

I read the article. And Getsy answered in a deflective manner.

As for JT... he talks about awful route combinations @25:00 .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) ????
And u dodged my question on why & what a particular safety does on certain route combinations. I wanted to explain something about coverages. But... That's ok.
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Being a young and developing QB doesn't change the fact he is not throwing to open receivers. Plenty of young and developing QBs throw to open receivers.

It is moving goalposts because you said they never say they need to be better and then I provided a quote where they said they need to be better so again you were wrong. You then changed it to 100% accountability.

You don't need to explain anything about coverages to me. As JT said the guys were open and Fields should have thrown the ball to them. Do you think JT doesn't understand coverages?
 
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those tweets arent showing for me on CCS but i guess its the Steelers tweets. Mfers need to start paying me royalties for stealing my observations.
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Haha yeah that and a few others. I can’t figure out how to get x embedded here anymore after the name change.
 
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Haha yeah that and a few others. I can’t figure out how to get x embedded here anymore after the name change.
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yeah its a disaster. Elon fucked twitter all up.
 
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Being a young and developing QB doesn't change the fact he is not throwing to open receivers. Plenty of young and developing QBs throw to open receivers.

It is moving goalposts because you said they never say they need to be better and then I provided a quote where they said they need to be better so again you were wrong. You then changed it to 100% accountability.

You don't need to explain anything about coverages to me. As JT said the guys were open and Fields should have thrown the ball to them. Do you think JT doesn't understand coverages?
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I don't really need JT to explain it. I already know the keys to reading coverage's. I do use JT as a backup. Go to @20:37 then go pass @25:00. .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) But you don't wanna discuss what's happening here with route combos, pass pro and play design.
JF had to check down, Watch those timestamps.

As for the article....I'm that one who had data mined the quote where Getsy remotely came close to taking responsibility. For the record, ya don't take on 25% or 75% accountability and responsibility....ya go 100%. And no there's no "moving the goal posts" when it comes to accountability and responsibility ya either do it or ya don't.

I've heard JF take 100% accountability and responsibility, He points the finger at himself not others
 
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dbldrew said:
This is not a counter to anything, I can post highlight videos of Mitch as well..
Mitch struggled with the mental side of things as well, does a highlight video of Mitch magically make that flaw in his game disappear?

Fields has a ton of natural talent, but if he can't figure out the mental part of the game then all that natural talent becomes useless and he will follow in Mitches footsteps..
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Go to @20:37 then go pass @25:00. .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis)
What does he say?
 
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I don't really need JT to explain it. I already know the keys to reading coverage's. I do use JT as a backup. Go to @20:37 then go pass @25:00. .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) But you don't wanna discuss what's happening here with route combos, pass pro and play design.
JF had to check down, Watch those timestamps.

As for the article....I'm that one who had data mined the quote where Getsy remotely came close to taking responsibility. For the record, ya don't take on 25% or 75% accountability and responsibility....ya go 100%. And no there's no "moving the goal posts" when it comes to accountability and responsibility ya either do it or ya don't.

I've heard JF take 100% accountability and responsibility, He points the finger at himself not others
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Go to where JT says Justin should have thrown the ball to open WRs. Why did JT say that?

You didn't data mine shit. I posted the quote you asked where I got it from and I then linked the SI article. And again your specific statement said nothing about 100%. You made that up once you were proven wrong.
 
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run and shoot said:
I don't really need JT to explain it. I already know the keys to reading coverage's. I do use JT as a backup. Go to @20:37 then go pass @25:00. .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis) But you don't wanna discuss what's happening here with route combos, pass pro and play design.
JF had to check down, Watch those timestamps.

As for the article....I'm that one who had data mined the quote where Getsy remotely came close to taking responsibility. For the record, ya don't take on 25% or 75% accountability and responsibility....ya go 100%. And no there's no "moving the goal posts" when it comes to accountability and responsibility ya either do it or ya don't.

I've heard JF take 100% accountability and responsibility, He points the finger at himself not others
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Go to where JT says Justin should have thrown the ball to open WRs. Why did JT say that?

You didn't data mine shit. I posted the quote you asked where I got it from and I then linked the SI article. And again your specific statement said nothing about 100%. You made that up once you were proven wrong.
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"Go to where JT says Justin should have thrown the ball to open WRs. Why did JT say that?"
I initially pouted this out>>>>> Go to @20:37 then go pass @25:00. .(Justin Fields Week 1 vs Green Bay Analysis)
Please stop avoiding this, But go ahead....lets deflect away from it yet again.


" I posted the quote you asked where I got it from and I then linked the SI article"

In link #136 All u did was post the link I had to go in and look for and sort through what was said in the article https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/luke-getsy-finds-reasons-for-bears-offensive-optimism

I went in and found this Getsy quote link #139 >>> "One, it's making sure that we do a better job of getting guys coached up on what they're gonna see and those guys have to go out and execute it,"
You did not provide the above quote I did. Anyone can go back and see for themselves Please don't lie.


Again...
I've heard JF take 100% accountability and responsibility, He points the finger at himself not others.
 
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