Fields: Lost his Balls???

[hyatt151]

https://x.com/butkusstats/status/1701952146097201493?s=46

Sounds like the coaching staff is hell bent on changing him as a player by removing his greatest strengths. Discuss cordially.

It's called a Getsy vasectomy

 

[nc0gnet0]

Assuming Fields propensity to take things to the extremes, will you see 10-14 forced targets to DJ Moore this game?

 

[run and shoot]

Go to Youtube and check out this video of JF

the problem is that this video is the exception to the rule, Which is why Forcing him to continue to develop as a passer would hopefully make those kinds of games more the norm.

When the OC goes in with a well prepared game plan, you'll see the results in the above vid. Unlike what we saw vs GB

 

[run and shoot]

Go to Youtube and check out this video of JF

Jesus Christ. To think they are not emphasizing proper balance is silly. In the end, Fields has to figure it out. Some people do and some people don't. We don't know which Fields is yet.

Now if you want to argue about play design or scheme then fine but it is really stupid to pretend that they are out there coaching him to check down when guys are open all over the field. Fields needs to pull the fucking trigger. Getsy can't throw the ball for him.

Watch the vid. U were one of the ppl saying JF doesn't get the ball out quick enough. The above vid shows otherwise.


".....it is really stupid to pretend that they are out there coaching him to check down when guys are open all over the field."
Watch the JT Qb school vid below. Sullivan talks about the stupid route design. I watched the vid and there's no way I'd release
the ball on some of those janky designed routes Go to @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Watch the vid. U were one of the ppl saying JF doesn't get the ball out quick enough. The above vid shows otherwise.


".....it is really stupid to pretend that they are out there coaching him to check down when guys are open all over the field."
Watch the JT Qb school vid below. Sullivan talks about the stupid route design. I watched the vid and there's no way I'd release
the ball on some of those janky designed routes Go to @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

And then there are the facts:

Fields didn’t at all look to have sped up his processing and decision-making. Not only did Fields finish with a 2.95-second time-to-throw average — the fifth-highest in the league so far — he regularly held onto the ball for an eternity before ultimately scrambling.

Fields struggled all last season with triggering on throws unless they were completely wide open, and it doesn’t look like anything’s changed if the Packers game is any indication.

2023 NFL Week 1: Justin Fields Running Out of Excuses in Chicago

Time is running out for Justin Fields. Quarterbacks don't get more than three years to prove their mettle in this league...

www.the33rdteam.com

 

[dbldrew]

When the OC goes in with a well prepared game plan, you'll see the results in the above vid. Unlike what we saw vs GB

So bring back Nagy? I thought that was the excuse for Fields lack of development/production?

 

[run and shoot]

Watch the vid. U were one of the ppl saying JF doesn't get the ball out quick enough. The above vid shows otherwise.


".....it is really stupid to pretend that they are out there coaching him to check down when guys are open all over the field."
Watch the JT Qb school vid below. Sullivan talks about the stupid route design. I watched the vid and there's no way I'd release
the ball on some of those janky designed routes Go to @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

And then there are the facts:

Fields didn’t at all look to have sped up his processing and decision-making. Not only did Fields finish with a 2.95-second time-to-throw average — the fifth-highest in the league so far — he regularly held onto the ball for an eternity before ultimately scrambling.

Fields struggled all last season with triggering on throws unless they were completely wide open, and it doesn’t look like anything’s changed if the Packers game is any indication.

2023 NFL Week 1: Justin Fields Running Out of Excuses in Chicago

Time is running out for Justin Fields. Quarterbacks don't get more than three years to prove their mettle in this league...

www.the33rdteam.com

I see this Derrik Klassen guy avoided any discussion of the poor pass pro (LT #70 Jones is constantly getting beat and shoved around). And u say nothing about @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

 

[run and shoot]

When the OC goes in with a well prepared game plan, you'll see the results in the above vid. Unlike what we saw vs GB

So bring back Nagy? I thought that was the excuse for Fields lack of development/production?

No.....however if I'm the current OC, I'd be studying that 2021 footage and incorporating it into the my offense.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I see this Derrik Klassen guy avoided any discussion of the poor pass pro (LT #70 Jones is constantly getting beat and shoved around). And u say nothing about @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

I am saying this " Fields finish with a 2.95-second time-to-throw average — the fifth-highest in the league so far "

/end

 

[run and shoot]

I see this Derrik Klassen guy avoided any discussion of the poor pass pro (LT #70 Jones is constantly getting beat and shoved around). And u say nothing about @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

I am saying this " Fields finish with a 2.95-second time-to-throw average — the fifth-highest in the league so far "

/end

Lack of Pass pro....please stop avoiding it. Please stop avoiding the Bad route design as shown by former NFL Qb Sullivan in the vid above.

 

[inchibearfan]

Watch the vid. U were one of the ppl saying JF doesn't get the ball out quick enough. The above vid shows otherwise.


".....it is really stupid to pretend that they are out there coaching him to check down when guys are open all over the field."
Watch the JT Qb school vid below. Sullivan talks about the stupid route design. I watched the vid and there's no way I'd release
the ball on some of those janky designed routes Go to @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

This is a highlight video. Every QB, even backups, have highlight videos showing the ball getting out quick and great passes. That is why it is a highlight video.

 

[run and shoot]

Watch the vid. U were one of the ppl saying JF doesn't get the ball out quick enough. The above vid shows otherwise.


".....it is really stupid to pretend that they are out there coaching him to check down when guys are open all over the field."
Watch the JT Qb school vid below. Sullivan talks about the stupid route design. I watched the vid and there's no way I'd release
the ball on some of those janky designed routes Go to @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

This is a highlight video. Every QB, even backups, have highlight videos showing the ball getting out quick and great passes. That is why it is a highlight video.

The Qb school is not a " highlight video" Go to @26:07

The Qb school is game analysis by former NFL Qb JT Sullivan

 

[SugarWalls]

There are too many people willing to blame everyone but Fields. The coaching staff is not coaching him to pass up open guys downfield to check down.

More likely is that in having it drilled into him in checking down if guys are not open downfield, he has gone overboard and is doing it in situations he shouldnt.

That is normal when you are learning something not natural to you and the question is whether he can find the proper balance or not.

He has proven he can throw downfield and he has proven he can check down successfully. Now he just needs to learn in which situations to do the former vs the latter to the point it becomes natural to him.

1st - pretty much everybody is addressing fields issues right now so idk who you are addressing

2nd - it has nothing to do with his ability to throw, it’s his ability to read the play and how he is going through his progressions

3rd - please stop with the assumptions and mind reading of what he is being coached to do. We have no clue if he is being told to race through his progressions or just check down if the main read isn’t there. We have no clue, if you want to speculate that’s fine, but don’t make assumptions or analysis based on a complete speculation

 

[nc0gnet0]

There are too many people willing to blame everyone but Fields. The coaching staff is not coaching him to pass up open guys downfield to check down.

More likely is that in having it drilled into him in checking down if guys are not open downfield, he has gone overboard and is doing it in situations he shouldnt.

That is normal when you are learning something not natural to you and the question is whether he can find the proper balance or not.

He has proven he can throw downfield and he has proven he can check down successfully. Now he just needs to learn in which situations to do the former vs the latter to the point it becomes natural to him.

"He has proven he can throw downfield and he has proven he can check down successfully. Now he just needs to learn in which situations to do the former vs the latter to the point it becomes natural to him."

This is 1st year QB stuff, not third year..................

 

[remydat]

Watch the vid. U were one of the ppl saying JF doesn't get the ball out quick enough. The above vid shows otherwise.


".....it is really stupid to pretend that they are out there coaching him to check down when guys are open all over the field."
Watch the JT Qb school vid below. Sullivan talks about the stupid route design. I watched the vid and there's no way I'd release
the ball on some of those janky designed routes Go to @24:44 and @25:07 in the vid below.

Dont give a shit about the Steeles game.

I already said it is fine criticizing play design. What is not fine is pretending Fields is being told to checkdown when guys are open downfield.

If you watch the full video JT makes it clear that Fields missed guys open dowm field. He calls them turn downs.

You always want to excuse everything Fields does wrong. The play calling and design was suspect. That is no excuse foe Fields to miss guys who were wide open. JT had the objectivity to point out both. You dont.

 

[remydat]

1st - pretty much everybody is addressing fields issues right now so idk who you are addressing

2nd - it has nothing to do with his ability to throw, it’s his ability to read the play and how he is going through his progressions

3rd - please stop with the assumptions and mind reading of what he is being coached to do. We have no clue if he is being told to race through his progressions or just check down if the main read isn’t there. We have no clue, if you want to speculate that’s fine, but don’t make assumptions or analysis based on a complete speculation

1st - I am pretty sure you can see the back and forth I am having with @run and shoot who is most definitely making excuses for Fields.

2nd - Never said it had anything to do with his ability to throw. I noted he has been successful doing both and needs learn the situations where he should throw deep vs checking down which is saying the the same thing you are.

3rd - People were speculating he is being coached this way so if you want to cry about speculation then do it on both sides. My speculation was a direct response to their speculation so you are being biased in just pointing out mine and not theirs.

 

[SugarWalls]

1st - I am pretty sure you can see the back and forth I am having with @run and shoot who is most definitely making excuses for Fields.

2nd - Never said it had anything to do with his ability to throw. I noted he has been successful doing both and needs learn the situations where he should throw deep vs checking down whicj is saying the the same thing you are.

3rd - People were speculating he is being coached this way so if you want to cry about speculation then do it on both sides. My speculation was a direct response to their speculation so you are being biased in just point out mine and not theirs.

1st - I don’t read run and shoot so i apologize for that but the clear vibe of the board is concern for fields, don’t lump people in with run and shoot

2 - the situation he should throw is the one where people are open. He needs to learn to throw it to the open guy?

3 - fine, but now we are speculating on speculation? Seems like a waste of time or pointless mind reading regardless

 

[Anytime23]

Getsy said he wanted him to manage the game. Reports from camp said there was a lack of downfield passing when a lot of the plays are predetermined.

The player who was known for taking deep shots and avoiding the checkdown is doing the opposite.

This is what the Bears get for hiring the nice church going kumbaya cover 2 Lovie Smith knockoff because if George loves one thing, its completely overcorrecting from the last mistake.

2024 will be new QB.
2025 will be new OC.
2026 will be new HC(probably Colt McCoy)

and on and on goes the circle of Bears ineptitude.

 

[remydat]

1st - I don’t read run and shoot so i apologize for that but the clear vibe of the board is concern for fields, don’t lump people in with run and shoot

2 - the situation he should throw is the one where people are open. He needs to learn to throw it to the open guy?

3 - fine, but now we are speculating on speculation? Seems like a waste of time or pointless mind reading regardless

1st - He wasnt the only one. Just the most obvious. The OP is also suggesting the coaching staff is trying change him an take away his greatest strength.

2nd - Yes. He is going through progressions and not throwing to open guys and checking down instead. JT higjlights a few of these plays.

3rd - I dont disagree but the premise of the thread is speculating the coached are coaching him in a way to remove his strengths.

 

[Anytime23]

This is a highlight video.

This is a hilariously stupid comment.