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A lot more Super Bowls have been won by great quarterbacks than non-great quarterbacks.


Very few Bears fans like Eberflus & Waldron and want them molding a young quarterback, so it’s kind of a misnomer to suggest Bears fans are focusing too much on QB and not enough on coaching. Fans want a great QB, but they also want better coaching.
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Depending on how you feel about Stafford, ELi ,and Wilson as great QBs - I got Foles, Flacco, Brad Johnson, Dilfer as the only non-great QBs to win the Superbowl since 1992. 4/32. Non-HoF QBs probably have a lot better odds unless Big Ben, Stafford, Wilson, Eli all somehow get in to Canton (not impossible!).
 

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Depending on how you feel about Stafford, ELi ,and Wilson as great QBs - I got Foles, Flacco, Brad Johnson, Dilfer as the only non-great QBs to win the Superbowl since 1992. 4/32. Non-HoF QBs probably have a lot better odds unless Big Ben, Stafford, Wilson, Eli all somehow get in to Canton (not impossible!).

I don't think Eli was a great QB, but he'll probably get into the HOF. Stafford is not a great QB, and IIRC the Niners dropped a gimme INT in the NFC Championship that would have cost the Rams the game in typical Stafford fashion. Peyton Manning in 2015 was perhaps even worse than Dilfer...he almost literally couldn't throw a football. And you have to look at context. Roethlisberger ended up being a great QB, but he wasn't really great in 2005. You could say the same thing about Brady in 2001. I don't see it as 4/32, I see it as "great QBs" winning the SB slightly more than 50% of the time, which is understandable.
 

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I mean, yeah, I honestly do think we're discounting how hard it is to project success in the pros for a QB and how lucky you have to be to find a hit. We absolutely suck at developing an offense in general, but there is a lot on the QB himself to be that catalyst for change.
What I am saying is that QBs do not do this by themselves.


Even in the teams you mentioned, only the Packers have been this unicorn of QB development with two Hall of Famers and now a wait-and-see guy in Love. LaFleur is clearly a great coach and can scheme around his guys as well as anyone, as hard as it is to admit.
Wanna Guess who got there when that first Hall of Famer came through the door? Andrew Walter Reid.
He took Brett Favre and developed him after Atlanta cast him off.


The 49ers in the last 15 years burned through the developmental years of #1 overall Alex Smith, high 2nd round pick Colin Kaepernick, and most recently 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. They absolutely lucked out that their 7th rounder was a dude that can play.
Is it luck that the 7th round guy can play? Or maybe Kyle Shanahan is a great coach. He has gone to two Super Bowls with Jimmy Garrapalo and Brock Purdy

The Patriots are now trying out their second 1st rounder in 4 years after lucking out for two decades that a 6th rounder became the GOAT.
Yes But that 6th rounder played back up to a guy that was already a pro bowl QB in Drew Bledsoe
Aint it amazing how these franchises can have multiple probowl qbs back to back while the bears have had only one in 40 years



The dynamic on the Chiefs totally changed the moment Mahomes stepped on the field. Same with Bengals and Burrow, and Bills with Allen.

Of course you give ALL the credit to Mahomes. As great as he is, guess who was the guy who jumped UP to draft him....Andrew Walter Reid.
The same guy who developed Donovan Mcnabb into a borderline hall of famer and got some very good years out of Alex Smith after he was cast off as you mentioned.

Buffalo fans were ready to launch Allen into the sun as a bust midway through his 2nd season. Brian Daboll developed him into the guy you see now. Then turned around and got Daniel Jones to a pro bowl. Bears should have backed the Brinks truck up to hire him instead we got Ebergoof. Maybe we should see who helped develop Burrow and target some of those guys.

Meanwhile the Rams gave up on Goff, the Eagles gave up on Wentz, etc.
Wentz is wentz, no argument there.
However Sean Mcvay took two different qbs to Super Bowls and Goff was one of them.

Reid, Mcvay, and Shanahan have taken and developed QBs. And have taken Mutliple QBs on deep playoff runs and to Super Bowls

My point is that Great coaches can make average talent into good Qbs and Good talent in to Great.
Bad coaches waste good talent and ruin it.

If the Bears want to develop a franchise quarterback then they need to get coaches in here who's sole goal is to develop quarterbacks. Not glorified DCs and shade tree OCs who want to show how smart they are and how massive their playbook is. Otherwise in three years we will be saying the same thing about Caleb Willams that was said about Mitchell Trubisky, Justin Fields and Jay Cutler. And the cycle continues.
 

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Depending on how you feel about Stafford, ELi ,and Wilson as great QBs - I got Foles, Flacco, Brad Johnson, Dilfer as the only non-great QBs to win the Superbowl since 1992. 4/32. Non-HoF QBs probably have a lot better odds unless Big Ben, Stafford, Wilson, Eli all somehow get in to Canton (not impossible!).

So 27 of the last 32 Super Bowls have been won by a HoF’er or surefire HoF’er. (84%)

Damn, that’s even crazier than i thought.
 

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So 27 of the last 32 Super Bowls have been won by a HoF’er or surefire HoF’er. (84%)

Damn, that’s even crazier than i thought.
Yeah but as someone else pointed out not all of them were necessarily playing at a HOF level the years they won.
 

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Yeah but as someone else pointed out not all of them were necessarily playing at a HOF level the years they won.
Of course—There are several factors. The point was that it doesn’t make a lot of sense to yearn for a Malik Willis who can be coached up with a great coach. Malik Willis isn’t winning a Super Bowl, not even with a great coach. Bears fans are not ignoring the need for a great coach in favor of only wanting a great QB. I don’t know any Bears fans like that.
 

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Of course—There are several factors. The point was that it doesn’t make a lot of sense to yearn for a Malik Willis who can be coached up with a great coach. Malik Willis isn’t winning a Super Bowl, not even with a great coach. Bears fans are not ignoring the need for a great coach in favor of only wanting a great QB. I don’t know any Bears fans like that.
Cool....last I checked, Malik Willis was a backup QB. Do you follow the NFL?
 

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Man, you’re going to be really surprised when they let all these guys in—Rivers, Eli, Stafford.
Rivers is like two or three tiers better than Stafford. Did you watch either guy play? Rivers was consistently great with not much around him. Stafford had a big year with Calvin Johnson and lucked into a Super Bowl with the Rams. Their careers are nothing alike.
 

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Rivers is like two or three tiers better than Stafford. Did you watch either guy play? Rivers was consistently great with not much around him. Stafford had a big year with Calvin Johnson and lucked into a Super Bowl with the Rams. Their careers are nothing alike.
Cool. Surefire Hall of Famers 🔥 Bank on it.
 

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