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That all of those quarterbacks are in a better organization, with competent coaching? If so, I agree.
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Don't know which thread this would be best in, but damn nothing comes easy with this offense. Anyone else notice that the first TD pass was an awful snap that almost ruined the play?
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No, they don't. They are actually capable of running the ball. The Bears offensive line is not. And they've protected Fields way better than the Bears have protected Caleb Williams. So perhaps their personnel is worse, but they are actually performing much better.
Pittsburgh Steelers Pass Block Win Rate: 60%(15th)
Chicago Bears Pass Block Win Rate: 43%(30th)
Tell me more.
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I'm a Bears fan I didn't know QB's could improve. I've never seen it happen.
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FINALLY, something I agree with
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when it comes to QB's the names change, but as for the excuses, THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME
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Justin Fields is simply handling the pass rush a lot better than Caleb Williams. That’s all.
It’s funny how some of you are now fighting so hard to prove the Bears have a terrible OL, when a lot of you were doing the exact opposite when Justin Fields was our QB.
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I don’t think most fans want bad coaches & good QBs, but I could be wrong.
Guess what? Malik Willis ain’t winning a Super Bowl. Neither is Sam Darnold. Neither is Justin Fields.
You know who does? HoF quarterbacks.
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you know who also wins super bowls?? non HOF QB's
not really making any sort of real point with that claim
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A lot more Super Bowls have been won by great quarterbacks than non-great quarterbacks.
Very few Bears fans like Eberflus & Waldron and want them molding a young quarterback, so it’s kind of a misnomer to suggest Bears fans are focusing too much on QB and not enough on coaching. Fans want a great QB, but they also want better coaching.
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well, great QB's and HOF QB's to me at least are two different groups of QB's...but ill let the semantics slide
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I said great QBs because there are obviously guys who have won a Super Bowl but aren’t in the HoF yet who any reasonable person would say fits the bill (Mahomes, Brady, Brees, etc.).
In any case, my point was only that no, fans are not letting the coaching slide because they’re so obsessed with QB. They want good coaching, but we’re obviously not the owner or GM.
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i agree with the latter part of your post
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Nah. Those ratings have nothing to do with the QB handling the pass rush. They are based on individual performance of the linemen.
The Bears haven't had a good offensive line in a really, really long time. It sucked balls for Fields and it sucks balls now. It should, on paper, be better this season. But I blame Waldron for this offense being shit. Right now he's a fucking downgrade from Getsy. And so it goes for us Bears' fans.
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It doesnt matter how good the young quarterback is, including Caleb, a bad organization and bad coaching is going to ruin him.
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One of the underrated aspects of Caleb's performance is that there's no desire or need to go watch a JT O'Sullivan or Kurt Warner breakdown of his throws from the game.
With 32 completions and 363 yards, he's obviously doing something right, and doing it right a lot.
I was a huge Fields fan, but damn it was tiring that even in his 3rd season I'd find myself spending Mondays or Tuesdays watching these analysts go through the tape of his 20-25 attempts per game trying to see what he's seeing and if he's playing on time, improving, etc.
We're 3 games in with Caleb and it already feels like we're past that.
With 32 completions and 363 yards, he's obviously doing something right, and doing it right a lot.
I was a huge Fields fan, but damn it was tiring that even in his 3rd season I'd find myself spending Mondays or Tuesdays watching these analysts go through the tape of his 20-25 attempts per game trying to see what he's seeing and if he's playing on time, improving, etc.
We're 3 games in with Caleb and it already feels like we're past that.
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Bad coaches and bad organizations CAN NOT DEVELOP quarterbacks!
How long have you been a Bears fan?
We have NEVER put an emphasis on developing a quarterback. Green Bay does, San Fran does, New England does. That is why they have multiple Pro bowl quarterbacks and Super bowls since the Bears one Super bowl win.
We keep drafting quarterbacks, putting them behind crap O-lines, with meathead coaches, spend our draft capital on defensive players and wonder why we never have good quarterbacks.
Must be bad luck
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I don’t know if anyone can be a downgrade from Getsy, but Waldron is disturbingly bad thus far.
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The Raiders aren't any good, but Getsy's offense is at least serviceable with Minshew at QB. It seemed like Getsy's offense worked better with Bagent than with Fields last year. Getsy was just very inflexible (much like Nagy). I guess the difference is that while Getsy might be an idiot, Waldron is an idiot of Trestman-like proportions. Seattle couldn't wait to get rid of him.
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Bad coaches and bad organizations CAN NOT DEVELOP quarterbacks!
How long have you been a Bears fan?
We have NEVER put an emphasis on developing a quarterback. Green Bay does, San Fran does, New England does. That is why they have multiple Pro bowl quarterbacks and Super bowls since the Bears one Super bowl win.
We keep drafting quarterbacks, putting them behind crap O-lines, with meathead coaches, spend our draft capital on defensive players and wonder why we never have good quarterbacks.
Must be bad luck
I mean, yeah, I honestly do think we're discounting how hard it is to project success in the pros for a QB and how lucky you have to be to find a hit. We absolutely suck at developing an offense in general, but there is a lot on the QB himself to be that catalyst for change.
Even in the teams you mentioned, only the Packers have been this unicorn of QB development with two Hall of Famers and now a wait-and-see guy in Love. LaFleur is clearly a great coach and can scheme around his guys as well as anyone, as hard as it is to admit.
The 49ers in the last 15 years burned through the developmental years of #1 overall Alex Smith, high 2nd round pick Colin Kaepernick, and most recently 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. They absolutely lucked out that their 7th rounder was a dude that can play.
The Patriots are now trying out their second 1st rounder in 4 years after lucking out for two decades that a 6th rounder became the GOAT.
For the other 'successful' franchises this century:
The Colts had the two best #1 overall prospects in the last 30 and both were great—and they have been shit since, with Richardson most recently looking like hot garbage.
The Steelers just gave up on their own 1st rounder post-Ben and brought in a couple cast-offs to replace him.
The Broncos are on their fourth 1st round QB this century. And none of them were on the team in their SB-quality years.
The Giants probably want to drown themselves in a puddle now that they're tethered to Daniel Jones and are hoping they'll get another lottery ticket next draft.
The dynamic on the Chiefs totally changed the moment Mahomes stepped on the field. Same with Bengals and Burrow, and Bills with Allen.
Meanwhile the Rams gave up on Goff, the Eagles gave up on Wentz, etc.