Fixing the WR Position

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

We have lots of te but none great

We have a bunch of mix use wr none great

Do we need great? No. It's good to have no doubt. It's tough to say who we should go for at this point cause are we assuming fox is still hc? If it's McDaniels we know he can put these te to use.

I'm going to assume fox is our hc. I would draft someone in first two rounds. We are due a bad ass wr draft aren't we? I also would sign a FA on the level of a moncrief to replace what Meredith does for us. I'm not betting on Meredith being a difference maker next year. We are going into year four we need to start seeing something so let's stop betting on injured players.

That with our tes we should look pretty good on offense. That will give pace time to concentrate on the secondary which is abysmal he can try not to whiff again

 

[PeterMbangala]

I think we are all being way to confident that Meredith will be even the WR2 with upside he showed last season. The injury looked real bad and the forecasts for his recovery have not sounded good. Even if he does recover, the plan cannot be to enter week 1 2018 with him as our WR1.

I've said this on previous posts but next off season Pace has to show he can recruit tier 1 guys. I appreciate that may be dependent slightly on how the team, and Trubisky, perform in 2017. But he has failed to land a top tier free agent in three off seasons.

If ever you should be motivated to get one over the line it is when your franchise QB that you put your job on the line for is playing with garbage receivers.

I also do not want a first round pick spent on this position so I'm happy with Windy's plan, with the caveat of Meredith not making a full recovery.

 

[PeterMbangala]

If the draft went

1) OLB
2) WR
4) OL/DB
4) WR

I could get on board with that. I'm right that we don't have a third right?

 

[dabears70]

I know Pace will go BPA, but would like to see:

1-EDGE
2-WR
4-CB
4-WR
5-OL
6-BPA
7-BPA

OLB still #1 on my list as well with WR a close 2nd.

 

[dabears70]

Next year will be a good year to trade down in the draft. Lots of QBs coming out teams will want to move up for. I would be happy if we ended up with 9 picks, even if it meant trading out of the first round.

2nd
2nd
3rd
3rd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th

Draft two WRs, two DBs, OL and EDGE in the first 4 rounds. Putting all the eggs into one basket for a high first round receiver is just too risky. I think the group will be improved more by adding multiple quality, if not spectacular prospects.

With how well Pace has shown to be able to find talent after the 1st round and into the late rounds i'd be fine with him pulling a Belichek and trading down and out of the 1st for a bunch of picks.

 

[playthrough2001]

I think we are all being way to confident that Meredith will be even the WR2 with upside he showed last season. The injury looked real bad and the forecasts for his recovery have not sounded good. Even if he does recover, the plan cannot be to enter week 1 2018 with him as our WR1.

I've said this on previous posts but next off season Pace has to show he can recruit tier 1 guys. I appreciate that may be dependent slightly on how the team, and Trubisky, perform in 2017. But he has failed to land a top tier free agent in three off seasons.

If ever you should be motivated to get one over the line it is when your franchise QB that you put your job on the line for is playing with garbage receivers.

I also do not want a first round pick spent on this position so I'm happy with Windy's plan, with the caveat of Meredith not making a full recovery.

Like Gilmore? I can still smell the stench from his burning carcass. Hicks might not have been perceived as a top tier free agent but he's as good as anybody that was signed in his class.

 

[dabears70]

2018 FA looks to have more options at WR
Wr list
Donte moncrief
Jarvis Landry
John brown
Jordan Matthews
Sammy Watkins
Allen Robinson
Terrelle Pryor
Davante Adams
Martavis Bryant
Vs
Cb list
Trumaine Johnson
Bashaud Breeland
Malcom Butler
Jonathan Joseph
Olb list
Aaron Lynch
.....

That free agent WR list is strong, like really strong and we can definitely find us a beat to be our #1 WR from that list which would put Meredith where he's a much better fit at #2 WR or even at #3 WR depending on what Pace decides to do at WR and the free agent OLB list isn't very strong at all so give me the LSU kid A.Key or the biston college kid H.Landry in the 1st round and go WR in free agency.

 

[dabears70]

Yes, this makes sense, but I wouldn't be surprised to see an offensive lineman drafted earlier. What's funny is when we needed a quarterback, any time somebody suggested drafting a QB in the 1st round, it would be attacked by 20 people (particularly Cutler fanboys) saying you have to draft BPA.

Does that make sense or does it make sense to get someone opposite L.Floyd that can stay on the field?? Ya gotta have pass rush and as we all know, the pass rush helps the secondary. I'd still love to get a true #1 CB but i think pass rush is more important and that top 5 list has no OLB on it at all which is crazy to me.

 

[dabears70]

Guys who profile as #1 WRs, but one is seriously injured.

I'd add S.Watkins to that if you're strictly talking about guys who profile as a #1 WR. When healthy he has proven to be a legit #1 WR but that damn health issue with him is too big a risk to pay #1 type money to.

 

[sevvy]

If we can get a NFL-ready WR in the 1st, we have to take them imo. Before that, if the price is right on a current NFL WR, I'd love to see us pull the trigger on a trade. A free agent proven commodity would be great, too.

I think we need to do 2 out of those 3 to work towards fixing this WR corps.

 

[PeterMbangala]

Like Gilmore? I can still smell the stench from his burning carcass. Hicks might not have been perceived as a top tier free agent but he's as good as anybody that was signed in his class.

I actually think the Tier 2 approach makes/made sense for where we are. They are low risk, high reward signings and when you hit like Hicks, Freeman, you have a very solid player at a great price that you can look to extend.

I guess the downside is that for every Hicks, you'll have two or three failures. That's fine when 1) your roster has a lot of holes so that you can play them and evaluate them properly and 2) you can survive a 6-10 season.

Next year, I'm not so sure this approach will be as viable. We will likely need a CB1 and almost definitely a WR1 in free agency. This will not be a Wright/Wheaton, Cooper/Amukamara throw shit at the wall and see what sticks scenario.

I would love to see the following...

Draft: OLB, WR, DB, WR/OL....
FA: WR1, CB1

Coming back to the WR group, that leaves you with...

WR1 FA (someone you have to gameplan for)
WR2 Meredith/Draft pick
WR3 Wright/Draft pick

Wheaton
Gentry

tl;dr Your approach to free agency has to develop according to what you need (top end talent vs depth) and what your new QB needs. You don't just keep hitting up tier 2/3 talent and hoping they make it.

 

[PAPABEAR77]

Did read the whole thread but what if Pace has a change of heart on AJ and makes a offer that he cAnt refuse ?


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[DaaBears]

Does that make sense or does it make sense to get someone opposite L.Floyd that can stay on the field?? Ya gotta have pass rush and as we all know, the pass rush helps the secondary. I'd still love to get a true #1 CB but i think pass rush is more important and that top 5 list has no OLB on it at all which is crazy to me.

We are not even into week 2 yet. I think that if everyone on here made a list of needs now and then again after the season, there would likely be great changes. Really way too early to discuss.

 

[bearlythere]

I want no part of Cam Meredith as my defacto #1.

We definitely double dip for starters this offseason - one via FA and one from the draft.

Martavis Bryant screams "Pace Free Agent Signing" to me. Outside of the off the field concerns (which he at the moment appears to have cleaned up), he checks all the boxes of what he looks for: physical freak with size and speed, ascending player with his best years ahead of him, unlikely to be tagged due to money already tied up at his position.

Get me Bryant and a WR in the 1st or 2nd and I think we look a lot better, along with Wright, Meredith, and hopefully Gentry.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I want no part of Cam Meredith as my defacto #1.

We definitely double dip for starters this offseason - one via FA and one from the draft.

Martavis Bryant screams "Pace Free Agent Signing" to me. Outside of the off the field concerns (which he at the moment appears to have cleaned up), he checks all the boxes of what he looks for: physical freak with size and speed, ascending player with his best years ahead of him, unlikely to be tagged due to money already tied up at his position.

Get me Bryant and a WR in the 1st or 2nd and I think we look a lot better, along with Wright, Meredith, and hopefully Gentry.

This, being an ideal trade down year, means I think we grab 2 in the draft and two in FA. A top or near top end legit 1 (9-12 mil), and a mid tier possession receive in FA(4-6 mil), and then a 1st or second rounder in the draft, then a 3rd or 4th as well.

 

[RiDLer80]

You poor, tortured souls. Reading this thread makes my heart weep for our offense. Bears fans haven't had a reliable, elite WR in so long we have fans actually justifying Cam Meredith as a #1 WR after an ALC tear. I'm just praying that Pace doesn't have that same mindset.

I've seen other fans say how they're gun-shy about using a first round pick on a WR after the bad luck we had with White, ignoring the fact that Amari Cooper went in the first round of the very same draft. Not to mention that a majority of the best WRs in the league went in the first:

Julio Jones, AJ Green, Amari Cooper, OBJ, Mike Evans, Larry Fitzgerald, Deandre Hopkins, Demariyus Thomas

Only Antonio Brown and TY Hilton belong in that group of elite WRs that weren't draftd in the first.

I'm not saying we have to go WR in the first this year, but I wouldn't hate it either. Of course that depends on how we address free agency. Regardless of how we do it, we need to improve our talent level at the WR position.

 

[wazzupi]

Donte moncrief would be my mid tier signing he's so underrated imo and fits our offense as far as a rotational #2 guy or in the slot. My #1 realistic DR is Davante Adam's if he has a season similar to 2016 I'd love pace for stealing him out of our division rivals lap.

 

[xer0h0ur]

You poor, tortured souls. Reading this thread makes my heart weep for our offense. Bears fans haven't had a reliable, elite WR in so long we have fans actually justifying Cam Meredith as a #1 WR after an ALC tear. I'm just praying that Pace doesn't have that same mindset.

I've seen other fans say how they're gun-shy about using a first round pick on a WR after the bad luck we had with White, ignoring the fact that Amari Cooper went in the first round of the very same draft. Not to mention that a majority of the best WRs in the league went in the first:

Julio Jones, AJ Green, Amari Cooper, OBJ, Mike Evans, Larry Fitzgerald, Deandre Hopkins, Demariyus Thomas

Only Antonio Brown and TY Hilton belong in that group of elite WRs that weren't draftd in the first.

I'm not saying we have to go WR in the first this year, but I wouldn't hate it either. Of course that depends on how we address free agency. Regardless of how we do it, we need to improve our talent level at the WR position.

That is basically a stupid mentality period. You take your shot regardless and never look back. Pace took his shot on White and it didn't work. Move on and try again.

 

[rawdawg]

I'd go after Allen Robinson ACL tear and all. I think Jeffery and Pryor set the precedent this offseason by taking 1-year "prove it" deals. Jeffery got 9.5 due to injury concerns and a suspension. Pryor got 6M because he only had 1 year of production after being a QB. I'd split the difference and offer Robinson 1-year/8Million. For Robinson, it could make sense as he'd be taking a chance on himself and get a chance to prove that he can put up numbers closer to his 2015 rather than his 2016 if he has a decent QB. He probably wouldn't take a 1-year deal with the Jags and play with a rookie QB. For the Bears, they get a 1-time proven #1 WR who turns just 25 midway thru the preseason NEXT year. They also don't make a huge commitment to a position that isn't necessarily game changing.

The one issue I could see here is that this would put the Bears top 3 guys as Robinson, Meredith and yes, Kevin White (who the Bears have guaranteed money owed to and will be in the same situation as Fuller this year). By opening day 2018, they will have combined to play in 3/4 of a meaningful game in 20 months between them.

But they clearly won't make any kind of commitment to an off-field mess like Martavis Bryant. Moncrief and John Brown would be interesting guys that could be cheap long-term and give you some dynamic speed, but are they consistently good enough? Matthews isn't really consistent enough or fit the focus on speed Pace has shown the last couple drafts. And I don't see Adams or Watkins going anywhere.

Ideally, I'd sign Robinson + draft a 2nd day pick (Ridley or Cain would be pipe dreams, Deebo Samuel more likely, Antonio Callaway has great potential if the Bears think he can stay out of trouble) + draft a developmental slot guy late (Richie James or Austin Proehl come to mind).

Robinson
Meredith
Cain
White
Proehl
Gentry/Bellamy/Thompson/McBride/Wheaton

 

[Gaucho]

Trumaine Johnson....CB- 5/$65m (S. Gilmore)
Jarvis Landry.............WR- 5/$57.5 (E. Sanders)

1. Harold Landry.....OLB.....Boston College
2. Deon Cain..........WR.......Clemson