Florio/Simms on Wentz, Bears and Colts

[Leomaz]

The Bears have a super bowl winning quarterback on their roster so it’s not like they have to have Wentz. There is absolutely no reason to over pay for any quarterback out there, especially knowing that the team doesn’t want them.

 

[WindyCity]

If they land Wentz, I hope they also dump Danny T on Philly. Awful contract--$13 million to cut him

The problem is that Philly has a worse cap situation than the Bears.

I would love to throw some of Pace's ass contracts from 2020 into a deal, but unlikely they can make them fit.

 

[Mdbearz]

I would be willing to trade our first, but they would have to return their second. So we drop down 18 spots (20-38).

For Philly that means they have 2 first round picks (6 and 20)to try and land one of the top QBs AND they get rid of the cap space that Wentz is eating up.

For Chicago it means we have 2 second round picks to add an OTs and/or WRs to help bolster Wentz at QB.

The Salary needs to be restructured if possible....

 

[Luke]

Would the Jags trade Minshew and #33 for #20 before the draft? The Jags don't have to give Minshew up but there's also no reason for them to keep him with Lawrence coming in.

While the TVC value would be like pick #64, this is definitely a draft day trade.

I fully expect Pace to acquire his 2021 starting QB well before the draft takes place.

A Minshew trade could make sense assuming that Flip liked what he saw as the Jax OC in 2019 so at least there is some inside info to rely upon .

I personally have never seen him take a snap so I can't make an honest evaluation of his play.

All that I can go by are his stats which statistically aren't too shabby.

I'm not sure what Jax would demand in a trade or how much the demand for him will be.

Would the #84 pick be enough, not sure. Assuming the Bears aren't the only team calling, I would probably guess that Pace would need to up the ante and offer #52 and maybe get their #96 back. That's about the same value as you suggested.

This should be quite appealing to Jax as they would then have six top 65 picks this year.

Once again, this is all contingent upon a ringing endorsement from Flip.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

If they land Wentz, I hope they also dump Danny T on Philly. Awful contract--$13 million to cut him

Think Danny's deal might be the worst on the team.

 

[dennehy]

While the TVC value would be like pick #64, this is definitely a draft day trade.

I fully expect Pace to acquire his 2021 starting QB well before the draft takes place.

A Minshew trade could make sense assuming that Flip liked what he saw as the Jax OC in 2019 so at least there is some inside info to rely upon .

I personally have never seen him take a snap so I can't make an honest evaluation of his play.

All that I can go by are his stats which statistically aren't too shabby.

I'm not sure what Jax would demand in a trade or how much the demand for him will be.

Would the #84 pick be enough, not sure. Assuming the Bears aren't the only team calling, I would probably guess that Pace would need to up the ante and offer #52 and maybe get their #116 back.

This should be quite appealing to Jax as they would then have six top 65 picks this year.

Once again, this is all contingent upon a ringing endorsement from Flip.

I'm not sure it has to be a draft day trade, there are lots of reasons why Jax might want to get up to #20 before the draft and might value this trade. There will definitely more OT talent at 20 than 33, and Jax will almost certainly be interested in that. But I agree it's probably not going to happen, same with any scenario proposed.

I don't really have much of a preference; there isn't any outcome that has a strong chance of working. I'd rather they save future capital as much as possible, so I'd be happy to take a low cost flier on Minshew. Again I think the chances he works out here are small, but that's the case for pretty much every option when you're in the situation the Bears are in.

 

[ijustposthere]

Any QB that comes to Chicago will walk into a controversy because Chicago Bear fans are too picky and critical of quarterbacks.

LOL, what? We're picky & critical because they generally suck. Let me know when the Bears finally get a QB that can throw for 4k in a season.

 

[Mdbearz]

The more I think about the whole Wentz deal the more I think it might be a mistake.

He is having the same trends as Foles.
1. He is living off his rep from 2017 as his ceiling (Foles the SB run)
2. He has been hurt every season except last year and was benched (similar to Foles)
3. Has not lived up to his contract - Just like Foles
4. Not very mobile - Just like Foles and forces you to have a near perfect O-line

Too much drama - stick to your original offer Pace and walk away

 

[Bolek]

Pace is going to destroy the franchise this offseason.

Let’s let him do it in the draft. At least we have a chance of landing a franchise guy.

Lets not be naive, Pace wont be allowed to make moves that compromise our future in a major way. Im typically an optimist, but looking at 2021 schedule and thinking about where this team is at, im not sure why we are even bringing back Pace and Nagy at this point

 

[Bolek]

LOL, what? We're picky & critical because they generally suck. Let me know when the Bears finally get a QB that can throw for 4k in a season.

so, we picked 54 Pro QBs over the last 2 decades and they all happened to be terrible? That must be some sort of record and mathematically unexplained phenomena. Or perhaps, youre missing the bigger picture?

 

[WindyCity]

Think Danny's deal might be the worst on the team.

Robert Quinn's cannot be topped. Worst contract we have seen in a decade. Danny is close.

 

[WindyCity]

Lets not be naive, Pace wont be allowed to make moves that compromise our future in a major way. Im typically an optimist, but looking at 2021 schedule and thinking about where this team is at, im not sure why we are even bringing back Pace and Nagy at this point

George already said there are no restrictions on them

George is a pussy and will not fire them unless they go 4-12

 

[Luke]

I'm not sure it has to be a draft day trade, there are lots of reasons why Jax might want to get up to #20 before the draft and might value this trade. There will definitely more OT talent at 20 than 33, and Jax will almost certainly be interested in that. But I agree it's probably not going to happen, same with any scenario proposed.

I don't really have much of a preference; there isn't any outcome that has a strong chance of working. I'd rather they save future capital as much as possible, so I'd be happy to take a low cost flier on Minshew. Again I think the chances he works out here are small, but that's the case for pretty much every option when you're in the situation the Bears are in.

Well I don't think anyone is pining for Minshew, that's why my scenario was predicated on a Flip endorsement.
Overall, we're in agreement that almost anything they do probably won't work out.
Aside from a Wentz bounce back, Minshew, Mariota, Fitz possibly Garoppolo doesn't really scream progress.
As I have stated, I don't think drafting a QB is going to bide them any more time beyond this season if they aren't above .500.
and I'm not sure that they have the authority to spend much in future capital as it is. What's your take?

 

[ijustposthere]

so, we picked 54 Pro QBs over the last 2 decades and they all happened to be terrible? That must be some sort of record and mathematically unexplained phenomena. Or perhaps, youre missing the bigger picture?

Yeah, most of them sucked. This isn't rocket science. Their performance on the field speaks volumes. The best of those were incredibly average. I can't believe someone is even going to try arguing against this.

 

[PrideisBears]

Yeah, most of them sucked. This isn't rocket science. Their performance on the field speaks volumes. The best of those were incredibly average. I can't believe someone is even going to try arguing against this.

Cutler was...........ok

 

[dennehy]

Well I don't think anyone is pining for Minshew, that's why my scenario was predicated on a Flip endorsement.
Overall, we're in agreement that almost anything they do probably won't work out.
Aside from a Wentz bounce back, Minshew, Mariota, Fitz possibly Garoppolo doesn't really scream progress.
As I have stated, I don't think drafting a QB is going to bide them any more time beyond this season if they aren't above .500.
and I'm not sure that they have the authority to spend much in future capital as it is. What's your take?

I have no idea about that. I think it's clear the McCaskeys know they are ill-equipped to hire a GM, unwilling to do the work to hire someone who can, and they like Pace and think he's alright so they will stick with him until they can't. At this point I think missing the playoffs is that point.

If I had to guess I'd say he's going to have a decent amount of leeway because they like him and probably wouldn't think it's fair to hamstring him with his job on the line.

 

[ijustposthere]

Cutler was...........ok

Orton was ok too.

 

[PrideisBears]

Orton was ok too.

Loved me some Orton

 

[TexasBearfan]

the Bears are at a used car lot, none of the cars are a sure thing, so they drive over to the new car lot, there are 19 people in line in front of them.....buy your Foles replica jerseys folks

 

[Discus fish salesman]

The more I think about the whole Wentz deal the more I think it might be a mistake.

He is having the same trends as Foles.
1. He is living off his rep from 2017 as his ceiling (Foles the SB run)
2. He has been hurt every season except last year and was benched (similar to Foles)
3. Has not lived up to his contract - Just like Foles
4. Not very mobile - Just like Foles and forces you to have a near perfect O-line

Too much drama - stick to your original offer Pace and walk away

Most of what you said here isn't accurate.