Franchise quarterback

[discplayer]

There is no fire. It's all in your head.

And it’s definitely not “one fire around them.” Or is it just one fire?

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

All your messageboard genius takes mean Jack Shit!

Fields choked and couldn't win it. That's a fact.

Look yourself in the mirror and say it 3 times if you have to.

Who’s Jack Shit? What a horrible name.

 

[zabavka]

There is no fire. It's all in your head.

Yeah another shitty season is what Bears fan should expect, you're right

 

[Anytime23]

Im not sure how anyone saw a team that's bottom in the league in offensive and defensive spending, near or at the top in dead cap while not having a ton of draft picks and are surprised at what they're seeing.

At least the Bears have a QB, despite what this moron OP thinks.

 

[mecha]

Im not sure how anyone saw a team that's bottom in the league in offensive and defensive spending, near or at the top in dead cap while not having a ton of draft picks and are surprised at what they're seeing.

At least the Bears have a QB, despite what this moron OP thinks.

we've been trying to convey the truth to them all year. they will never understand.

**** you stupid people, seriously

 

[ZenBear34]

Yeah another shitty season is what Bears fan should expect, you're right

That's exactly what anyone who is paying attention should have expected.

 

[onebud34]

80% completion is elite for a RB1.

Most Bears fans don't know what great QB play is. Considering that most of the WRs Fields threw to today won't be on the team next year.

 

[Anytime23]

 

[Nelly]

Not too much of a surprise. Fields is still learning the finer points of throwing guys open in the NFL. End of game scenarios are usually more drop-back and take what the defense gives you while they're sitting in a somewhat soft zone. Fields still has work to do reading the defense and making good throws. It's good that he gets this stuff on tape this year to learn from it now rather than next year when this roster will be in much better position to make a possible playoff run.

 

[mecha]

80% completion is elite for a RB1.

Most Bears fans don't know what great QB play is. Considering that most of the WRs Fields threw to today won't be in the league next year.

FIFY bro

 

[ZenBear34]

Not too much of a surprise. Fields is still learning the finer points of throwing guys open in the NFL. End of game scenarios are usually more drop-back and take what the defense gives you while they're sitting in a somewhat soft zone. Fields still has work to do reading the defense and making good throws. It's good that he gets this stuff on tape this year to learn from it now rather than next year when this roster will be in much better position to make a possible playoff run.

I mean that's what he did? Not every interception is on the QB. He threw a curl route. His receiver ran a terrible route. There is no way a corner should be able to get to that ball before the receiver.

The second int was on Fields but by then he was forced to make play. This was easily his best game as a passer. Very encouraging.

 

[SugarWalls]

Good luck with this thread.

The "Liberatarian Mod" shut mine down.

It's a Justin Fields circle jerk now. They might as well reinstate Urblock.

"barroom feel" @Rush

Didn’t you say in a different thread that you thought the mods were doing fine?

Major major yikes.

 

[hebs]

This is why I was so frustrated with that 5 game stretch where he was doing everything with his legs, It was a waste of 5 games of development. The only thing that mattered this year was the development of fields. The 2 INT at the end sucked but I actually liked this game from fields because he was working on throwing more, he was buying time with his legs looking for an open WR rather then just taking off running.

Yes the INTs killed us from winning but so what, this is the time to make those mistakes and see if he can learn from them, too bad he wasnt doing the same thing several games back.. He needs to figure out what open is in the NFL and the only way he is going to do that is by having games like this.. Take you're lumps now so you're better next year..

Honestly... I think that 5 game stretch was a GREAT benefit to his development. Let's not forget part of his development is his confidence. Those 5 games proved to himself that he can take over a game athletically. Defenses were forced to adjust. Now he's learning to move around behind the line of scrimmage and still looking for receivers down field. This isn't how he will always play. Once the rest of the offensive weapons improve and can function within the script of the play call, he will be a force to deal with. Until then, the defenses are forced to cover every inch of the field and can't just Tee off on meeting at the QB. Sure... it would have been nice to be a Super bowl Caliber team and THEN have drafted Justin Fields.... but the Bears didn't have the luxury the Chiefs did when they took Mahomes.

(general statement, not directed at you) Do people think Fields won't learn to play better? Or are they just upset that he can't learn everything instantly at the click of a mouse like everything else they get in in life?

 

[dbldrew]

Honestly... I think that 5 game stretch was a GREAT benefit to his development. Let's not forget part of his development is his confidence. Those 5 games proved to himself that he can take over a game athletically. Defenses were forced to adjust. Now he's learning to move around behind the line of scrimmage and still looking for receivers down field. This isn't how he will always play. Once the rest of the offensive weapons improve and can function within the script of the play call, he will be a force to deal with. Until then, the defenses are forced to cover every inch of the field and can't just Tee off on meeting at the QB. Sure... it would have been nice to be a Super bowl Caliber team and THEN have drafted Justin Fields.... but the Bears didn't have the luxury the Chiefs did when they took Mahomes.

(general statement, not directed at you) Do people think Fields won't learn to play better? Or are they just upset that he can't learn everything instantly at the click of a mouse like everything else they get in in life?

its hard to develop as a passer when you're not passing. When he is only throwing for 150yards and doing everything with his legs his passing development takes a back seat. Its as simple as that, this last game was a much better balance he ran a little (also for a TD) but he was mostly passing, thats how he is going to learn, he is going to have to make those stupid INT mistakes to learn from them. He should of been making them weeks ago

 

[hebs]

its hard to develop as a passer when you're not passing. When he is only throwing for 150yards and doing everything with his legs his passing development takes a back seat. Its as simple as that, this last game was a much better balance he ran a little (also for a TD) but he was mostly passing, thats how he is going to learn, he is going to have to make those stupid INT mistakes to learn from them. He should of been making them weeks ago

Sure... We would love for him to be in a environment like the Eagles... where he has all the time in the world behind his line and his WR's have 3-5yds of separation. While also having a strong defense to keep the opponent's score low and manageable.

He's currently learning how to play in the NFL, albeit at a slower, more controlled pace, on a team completely devoid of talent. I get it... it's ideal for none of us because we want our new QB to be instantly amazing.... As if after waiting 40yrs, we can't wait 1 more. Perhaps we can bring Nagy back and he can force Fields to be a drop back passer by not playing to any of his strengths?

Giving Fields the David Carr treatment won't help him learn the right stuff and could possibly do more harm than good.

Which scenario is better:

1.) I put you in the prone position and try to teach you how to hit a target @ 500yds with open iron sights, but kicked you in the head every 5-10 seconds while telling you to shoot better...

2.) I put you in the prone position and try to teach you how to hit a target @ 500yds with open iron sights, and reviewed your progress every 5 shots or so.

If you can't handle the wait... find a new hobby and then check back this time next year.

 

[maxhatter]

Fields threw the ball on time, ahead of the wide receiver breaking. St. Brown has to run a better route. I just think that it's funny how people were complaining about Fields holding the ball too long and needing to throw his receivers open. In this case, he had the 6'5" St. Brown on a comeback route against the 5' 10" Alexander. Yes, Alexander read the play, but if St. Brown runs the route like he's supposed to, Alexander would have had to go through the receiver to get the ball. NFL quarterbacks make that throw against that coverage every week.

 

[dbldrew]

Sure... We would love for him to be in a environment like the Eagles... where he has all the time in the world behind his line and his WR's have 3-5yds of separation. While also having a strong defense to keep the opponent's score low and manageable.

He's currently learning how to play in the NFL, albeit at a slower, more controlled pace, on a team completely devoid of talent. I get it... it's ideal for none of us because we want our new QB to be instantly amazing.... As if after waiting 40yrs, we can't wait 1 more. Perhaps we can bring Nagy back and he can force Fields to be a drop back passer by not playing to any of his strengths?

Giving Fields the David Carr treatment won't help him learn the right stuff and could possibly do more harm than good.

Which scenario is better:

1.) I put you in the prone position and try to teach you how to hit a target @ 500yds with open iron sights, but kicked you in the head every 5-10 seconds while telling you to shoot better...

2.) I put you in the prone position and try to teach you how to hit a target @ 500yds with open iron sights, and reviewed your progress every 5 shots or so.

If you can't handle the wait... find a new hobby and then check back this time next year.

Bad analogy

A better one would be..
2) I jump up and run to the target and shot it point blank.. and you think that's going to help me develop my 500yd shot?

The OL has been fine, the last 2 games has shown that Fields is a big reason for the Pressure and sacks.

Last week with Trevor the OL was much better because he got rid of the ball fast.. this week Fields did the same thing.. that's how the modern NFL is.. get rid of the ball quickly, then hit some bigger plays when the D allows it. That's what Fields did this last week. No reason he could do that weeks ago

 

[hebs]

Bad analogy

A better one would be..
2) I jump up and run to the target and shot it point blank.. and you think that's going to help me develop my 500yd shot?

The OL has been fine, the last 2 games has shown that Fields is a big reason for the Pressure and sacks.

Last week with Trevor the OL was much better because he got rid of the ball fast.. this week Fields did the same thing.. that's how the modern NFL is.. get rid of the ball quickly, then hit some bigger plays when the D allows it. That's what Fields did this last week. No reason he could do that weeks ago

I think you missed the point of the analogy. You aren't learning how to shoot while I'm kicking you in the head every 5 seconds and it's possible that some of the damage caused by me constantly kicking you may be permanent. Do you believe that is the only way he will learn? Trial by fire or nothing at all? Or better put, do you believe that your way is the "best possible way to grow him, given the current resources"?

The Oline "appears" fine because teams fear Fields' mobility so they have been forced to defend him differently. Remember when teams didn't rush Trubisky as much when they realized his legs were saving him? They had to account for his escape ability. The pass rush looked different. Then they insert Foles and he's crushed by constant blitzes and pass rush? Trubisky comes back and all of the sudden the same Oline plays better? Coincidence?

Do you feel better about the way Fields is playing/progressing now, or before the switch in the Patriots game?

More importantly, do you think Fields thinks he's playing better now or before the Patriots game?

 

[dbldrew]

I think you missed the point of the analogy. You aren't learning how to shoot while I'm kicking you in the head every 5 seconds and it's possible that some of the damage caused by me constantly kicking you may be permanent. Do you believe that is the only way he will learn? Trial by fire or nothing at all? Or better put, do you believe that your way is the "best possible way to grow him, given the current resources"?

The Oline "appears" fine because teams fear Fields' mobility so they have been forced to defend him differently. Remember when teams didn't rush Trubisky as much when they realized his legs were saving him? They had to account for his escape ability. The pass rush looked different. Then they insert Foles and he's crushed by constant blitzes and pass rush? Trubisky comes back and all of the sudden the same Oline plays better? Coincidence?

Do you feel better about the way Fields is playing/progressing now, or before the switch in the Patriots game?

More importantly, do you think Fields thinks he's playing better now or before the Patriots game?

no QB has 5 seconds to throw.. if you are trying to teach me that not shooting fast enough would be a problem then thats a good lesson.. and Fields finally seemed to have figured that out..

Your example between Mitch and foles has nothing to do with Trevor and Fields this year. The OL under Trevor got much better against one of the best sacking and pressure Ds.. why? because Fields has been holding onto the ball to long all year.. Trevor didnt.. this last game Fields also didnt.

There is no reason that this game plan couldnt of been implemented weeks ago so Fields can work on his weaknesses and become a true dual threat QB

 

[hebs]

no QB has 5 seconds to throw.. if you are trying to teach me that not shooting fast enough would be a problem then thats a good lesson.. and Fields finally seemed to have figured that out..

Your example between Mitch and foles has nothing to do with Trevor and Fields this year. The OL under Trevor got much better against one of the best sacking and pressure Ds.. why? because Fields has been holding onto the ball to long all year.. Trevor didnt.. this last game Fields also didnt.

There is no reason that this game plan couldnt of been implemented weeks ago so Fields can work on his weaknesses and become a true dual threat QB

You didn't answer my questions.

Also... what game plan could have been implemented weeks ago?


Additionally I thought this tidbit from Justin was encouraging.

" Before Alexander's pick, Fields completed 16 of his first 19 passes and was having what he called "one of his best games passing-wise."

"The stats aren't going to show that," Fields said. "I felt really comfortable out there in the passing game and just have to keep improving and keep getting better.

"I just felt comfortable. I don't know what it was. I just felt comfortable." "

We can all see him growing.

He's just not progressing as fast as some on CCS would prefer.