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[video=youtube;AxT_WG-fg3E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxT_WG-fg3E[/video]

I have a feeling he's already better than Niko.
 

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I was higher on bobby than niko before the season. He needs to play.
 

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He isn't anywhere near Niko. OMG, you guys haven't even seen him against NBA defenses yet with a full starting 5.

Just be patient until we make the big moves this roster needs to make involving our front court. McDermott, Snell, Dunleavy, Niko, Portis, Noah, Gasol, Gibson Lots of big decisions to be made in order to have the best 6 players at 3 positions we can have. This group doesn't fit together so well but sorting out the first 7 is hard enough without boggling our minds worrying about how Portis fits the puzzle.

Patience my friends.
 

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I'm to lazy to copy and paste from my phone but I saw a Hoiberg say that his play has demanded some adjustment to the rotation and that things will get figured out
 

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He isn't anywhere near Niko. OMG, you guys haven't even seen him against NBA defenses yet with a full starting 5.

Just be patient until we make the big moves this roster needs to make involving our front court. McDermott, Snell, Dunleavy, Niko, Portis, Noah, Gasol, Gibson Lots of big decisions to be made in order to have the best 6 players at 3 positions we can have. This group doesn't fit together so well but sorting out the first 7 is hard enough without boggling our minds worrying about how Portis fits the puzzle.

Patience my friends.

I have seen Niko against them though. Portis looks NBA ready so I don't know what you are getting at. I'm all for giving Bobby at least 10 minutes per night. Giving Niko 15ish. Giving Taj and Noah about 20. And giving Gasol almost 30.
 

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I have seen Niko against them though. Portis looks NBA ready so I don't know what you are getting at. I'm all for giving Bobby at least 10 minutes per night. Giving Niko 15ish. Giving Taj and Noah about 20. And giving Gasol almost 30.

I am saying that Niko needs to be developed and he is the last person to steal minutes from. The Last. You take minutes from Gasol and you presever old legs for playoffs. You take minutes from Gibson or Noah and you hurt the defense and continuity of the bench you may be trying to build, as well as team toughness, and you undermine the trade value you are trying to build with them precisely so you can open a spot for Portis.

Its a deep front court, relax and let it sort itself out through trade or injury. Meanwhile Portis if fine getting stronger and hungrier on the bench and learning from some impressive professionalism ahead of him on depth chart.

Relax. Its not time yet, but we are all excited for when it is.
 

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Nikos 24 with pro ball experience. He needs to play better not be developed. Not saying he doesn't have any room to grow, but I don't think he has much. We're not talking about a raw 19 year old rookie.
 

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The man had one game. It was a gret start, but I think this is a little reactionary. Obviously he deserves minutes, otherwise how do you expect him to get better.

As for Niko, hes playing softer this year but its still too soon to say this is all we will ever see from him.
 

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Portis has more potential than Mirotic. He is more athletic, a better defender, a better rebounder, and possibly a more consistent/better shooter. Mirotic is crafty but I don't really see him developing into much beyond what he is right now.
 
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It's not reactionary. People have been happy about the Portis pick since it happened. Believe it or not, you can project rookies without seeing them play. Anytime Portis gets on the court, he plays well. Sure, he needs to do it consistently, but he needs to PLAY for that to happen, and I have no reason to think he can't play extremely well. I can't think of ONE thing Niko does better than Portis. Bobby brings more energy, is a better defender/rebounder, and is as good, if not better a shooter. He could post, he could create his own shot, he can spot up...there's literally not one skill set that I think Niko is better at.

The Bulls have options on whose minutes to cut. Cut some of Taj's and Niko's until/if there's a trade.
 

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Noah has proven he doesn't need major minutes to be effective. In fact, the more minutes he plays, often the more emotional and frustrated he will be, and becomes less effective. Taj has never been a big minute guy, so I say continue to start him and give him the second most minutes behind Gasol. Taj is the best two way player of any of the bigs we have. Mirotic should be used very moderately. He is taking bad shots and isn't an efficient scorer. He and Bobby should be directly competing for each other's minutes. A 5 man frontline rotation is a good solution. See who has it going any given night and which combinations work best.
 

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You guys are severely underestimating Nikos rebounding. His offensive struggles are system, and shot selection oriented. Both would be corrected with good coaching. In the same breath you seem to be overestimating the rebounding of Portis.
 

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You guys are severely underestimating Nikos rebounding. His offensive struggles are system, and shot selection oriented. Both would be corrected with good coaching. In the same breath you seem to be overestimating the rebounding of Portis.

If anyone is underestimating Niko's rebounding it's only because he's not a great rebounder. Portis grabbed 11 rebounds in his first start in 22 minutes. How many double digit rebound games for Niko this year?

Again, there's not one single basketball skill that Niko is better at than Bobby. Not one.
 

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I disagree. You are flat out wrong about this and most things basketball.
 

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Noah has proven he doesn't need major minutes to be effective. In fact, the more minutes he plays, often the more emotional and frustrated he will be, and becomes less effective. Taj has never been a big minute guy, so I say continue to start him and give him the second most minutes behind Gasol. Taj is the best two way player of any of the bigs we have. Mirotic should be used very moderately. He is taking bad shots and isn't an efficient scorer. He and Bobby should be directly competing for each other's minutes. A 5 man frontline rotation is a good solution. See who has it going any given night and which combinations work best.

ummm did you watch the last game? a game in which he played more minutes than any other game all season and ended up with 21 points(you know...the thing everyone claims he cannot do and want him to do)
 

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ummm did you watch the last game? a game in which he played more minutes than any other game all season and ended up with 21 points(you know...the thing everyone claims he cannot do and want him to do)

I watch more than just one game to draw my general conclusions.
 

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I watch more than just one game to draw my general conclusions.

right but your argument was the more minutes he plays, the worse he looks. well in the game where he played the most minutes he had his best game of the season...so kind of a moot argument, no?
 

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right but your argument was the more minutes he plays, the worse he looks. well in the game where he played the most minutes he had his best game of the season...so kind of a moot argument, no?

First of all, you're cherry picking one game. And you're basing it primarily on the scoring game he had. How about he has had more blocks, rebounds, and assists all on multiple other ocassions despite playing less minutes
 

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First of all, you're cherry picking one game. And you're basing it primarily on the scoring game he had. How about he has had more blocks, rebounds, and assists all on multiple other ocassions despite playing less minutes

lol dude youre arguing with the wrong guy about noah. I pointed out the points because most on here seem to only care about his scoring or lack thereof. trust me, he has had a few other games that were better I agree. I value those contributions heavily and that's why id like to see his minutes go from the 22 range to the 27-28min range. that's the appropriate minutes for the level of play he has provided us. im fine with portis getting a look, but eventually the FO is going to have to make a move in our crowded frontcourt. theres simply not enough minutes to go around currently
 

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