Gabriel has said he'd be a mistake.

[Bearly]

He keeps on regurgitating the Landry 4.7 40. But dude pulled his hamstring at the combine, he ran a 4.5 at his pro day.

Who cares about his 40. The guy is fast enough in pads and produces.

I guess Gabriel wouldn't want these 4.6 and 4.7 guys. Larry Fitzgerald, Chris Carter, Anquan Boldin, Jerry Rice, Ochocinco and LLoyd when he wanted to play.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Why does this guy's opinion get posted around here so much? It's not like he offers some great insight or anything of that nature.

Result of a lot of airtime on the Score, and a former Bears scout. :shrug:

 

[rawdawg]

I have been anti-Landry, and I would never tell you he doesn’t have value.

His consistency is ridiculous.

Can you imagine if someone told you a WR would never miss a game and have 4000 yards in 4 years, we would throw our own mothers out of the way to give him 14/season.

Eh. 4000 yards in 4 years sounds nice and all, but each of the following WRs has gone over 4000 yards the last 4 years.

Antonio Brown
TY Hilton
Julio Jones
Demaryius Thomas
Emmanuel Sanders (including only 555 this year)
Golden Tate
Odell Beckham (despite missing over 75% of this season)
DeAndre Hopkins
Mike Evans
Larry Fitzgerald
Doug Baldwin
AJ Green


These guys had a 4-year run of over 4000 yards from 2013-2016:

Brandon Marshall
Alshon Jeffery
Desean Jackson
Jordy Nelson (even including him missing all of 2015)
Greg Olsen


Andre Johnson had 4000 in his last 4 seasons, including the one he played for the Colts that nobody even remembers.

Gronk missed by 76 yards despite playing only 8 games in 2016. Cooks and Kelce also within 100 yards of 4000 in the last 4 seasons.


Most of these guys actually have a 3 year span of over 4000 yards. And every single player listed, other than Golden Tate has scored more than Landry's 22 TDs.

I do appreciate Landry's consistency, but he's not in the class of any player listed here.

 

[gallagher]

Eh. 4000 yards in 4 years sounds nice and all, but each of the following WRs has gone over 4000 yards the last 4 years.

Antonio Brown
TY Hilton
Julio Jones
Demaryius Thomas
Emmanuel Sanders (including only 555 this year)
Golden Tate
Odell Beckham (despite missing over 75% of this season)
DeAndre Hopkins
Mike Evans
Larry Fitzgerald
Doug Baldwin
AJ Green


These guys had a 4-year run of over 4000 yards from 2013-2016:

Brandon Marshall
Alshon Jeffery
Desean Jackson
Jordy Nelson (even including him missing all of 2015)
Greg Olsen


Andre Johnson had 4000 in his last 4 seasons, including the one he played for the Colts that nobody even remembers.

Gronk missed by 76 yards despite playing only 8 games in 2016. Cooks and Kelce also within 100 yards of 4000 in the last 4 seasons.


Most of these guys actually have a 3 year span of over 4000 yards. And every single player listed, other than Golden Tate has scored more than Landry's 22 TDs.

I do appreciate Landry's consistency, but he's not in the class of any player listed here.

Let me get this straight - You listed a bunch of top notch receivers who have achieved similarly to argue why we shouldnt go after a guy who is head and shoulders above everyone on our 32nd ranked WR corps? Or are you just unexcited about the prospect but could go either way?

Honestly, listing out everyone who has also put up 4k yards in that span makes me want him more. Trubisky's growth will be stunted unless we get multiple guys who can put up good numbers consistently. Landry does that. The money we dish out to him would otherwise go to scrubs who wont benefit this team as a whole as much as Landry would individually.

 

[rawdawg]

Let me get this straight - You listed a bunch of top notch receivers who have achieved similarly to argue why we shouldnt go after a guy who is head and shoulders above everyone on our 32nd ranked WR corps? Or are you just unexcited about the prospect but could go either way?

Honestly, listing out everyone who has also put up 4k yards in that span makes me want him more. Trubisky's growth will be stunted unless we get multiple guys who can put up good numbers consistently. Landry does that. The money we dish out to him would otherwise go to scrubs who wont benefit this team as a whole as much as Landry would individually.

Very much unexcited. Can't hate getting a really good player. But he's in no way worth the money. But it's not my money so..... Whatever.

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[Speed]

Yea, I understand nitpicking the 4000 yards argument, but pick any of those guys out of a hat and they are an immediate upgrade over the stiffs on our roster lol.

 

[iueyedoc]

Eh. 4000 yards in 4 years sounds nice and all, but each of the following WRs has gone over 4000 yards the last 4 years.

Antonio Brown
TY Hilton
Julio Jones
Demaryius Thomas
Emmanuel Sanders (including only 555 this year)
Golden Tate
Odell Beckham (despite missing over 75% of this season)
DeAndre Hopkins
Mike Evans
Larry Fitzgerald
Doug Baldwin
AJ Green

But 400/4000, that list consists of A Brown, J Jones, and J Landry. The only even half salient argument against Landry is his YPC, but when you watch his tape and actually see what he does once he gets the ball in his hands, that fades as well.

 

[rawdawg]

But 400/4000, that list consists of A Brown, J Jones, and J Landry. The only even half salient argument against Landry is his YPC, but when you watch his tape and actually see what he does once he gets the ball in his hands, that fades as well.

No exact opposite actually. When I see what he does with the ball in his hands, I wonder why two different coaching staffs in Miami haven't trusted him to consistently run routes longer than 6 yards.

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[iueyedoc]

No exact opposite actually. When I see what he does with the ball in his hands, I wonder why two different coaching staffs in Miami haven't trusted him to consistently run routes longer than 6 yards.

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I don't understand what you are saying. If you watch his tape and question why the coaches don't let him run outside routes, aren't you questioning the coaching? Or did you mean to say you see something in the tape that makes you think him incapable. His 400/4000 is established as elite, even by your own post above, so what about his tape makes you question his ability. I would welcome a good counterpoint to Landry, but have yet to see one.

 

[GTRPLAYA2]

Listing all those players and the only one who might be available for the Bears is D. Thomas..... So Landry is the front runner by default... Get Both. Still much better than any one we have.

 

[satchice]

Eh. 4000 yards in 4 years sounds nice and all, but each of the following WRs has gone over 4000 yards the last 4 years.

I also would be ecstatic if any of those WR would be available in FA. Then when you factor in Landry is only 25 years old! Then you look at your list and look at injury history, how many games per season do they miss on average? Landry never missed a single game. I think there is a good case to say is more desirable long term then half of those guys. You are wrong sir, he absolutely does belongs in that class.

FWIW I am more impressed with WR that have 1,000+ yards in each of the last 4 season rather then a WR with 4,000 yards combined in the last 4 season.

Availability is one of Landry's best traits. That is a key trait to help develop a young QB.

 

[GTRPLAYA2]

I also would be ecstatic if any of those WR would be available in FA. Then when you factor in Landry is only 25 years old! Then you look at your list and look at injury history, how many games per season do they miss on average? Landry never missed a single game. I think there is a good case to say is more desirable long term then half of those guys. You are wrong sir, he absolutely does belongs in that class.

FWIW I am more impressed with WR that have 1,000+ yards in each of the last 4 season rather then a WR with 4,000 yards combined in the last 4 season.

Availability is one of Landry's best traits. That is a key trait to help develop a young QB.

Yeah.... what he said.

 

[rawdawg]

I don't understand what you are saying. If you watch his tape and question why the coaches don't let him run outside routes, aren't you questioning the coaching? Or did you mean to say you see something in the tape that makes you think him incapable. His 400/4000 is established as elite, even by your own post above, so what about his tape makes you question his ability. I would welcome a good counterpoint to Landry, but have yet to see one.

No. I'm questioning what deficiencies the coaches see in his game that they basically play him like an extra RB.

And I don't think Landry is elite because it takes 400 catches and 600 targets to get him to 4000 yards and still doesn't put points on the board (outside of this season).


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[satchice]

No exact opposite actually. When I see what he does with the ball in his hands, I wonder why two different coaching staffs in Miami haven't trusted him to consistently run routes longer than 6 yards.

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I seem to think it has something to do with scheme and the QBs. I blame the coaching staffs. In the past he has shown that he can run deep routes. look at how many 25+ yard passes he had in 2016.

 

[modo]

I don't think Landry is worth high end money. He is too much of a risk from an attitude stand point........

He is not coming to the Bears.

 

[rawdawg]

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[iueyedoc]

No. I'm questioning what deficiencies the coaches see in his game that they basically play him like an extra RB.

And I don't think Landry is elite because it takes 400 catches and 600 targets to get him to 4000 yards and still doesn't put points on the board (outside of this season).


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He still had fewer targets than both the other 400 catch guys and was catching passes from Ryan Tannehill, Matt Moore, Jay Cutler, and David Fales as opposed to Matt Ryan and Ben Roethlisberger. Yet he still had a better catch % 70.2 than Brown 68.3 and Jones 63.9.

I doubt he leaves MIA, but if he does, how anyone wouldn't want the Bears to pursue him baffles me.

 

[modo]

Landry has number skills and could be really good, but has a shitty attitude....

He is very much a me first guy and I don't see that attitude fitting in with what the Bears are trying to do. I would like his skills on the field, but his attitude could cause problems.

 

[rawdawg]

He still had fewer targets than both the other 400 catch guys and was catching passes from Ryan Tannehill, Matt Moore, Jay Cutler, and David Fales as opposed to Matt Ryan and Ben Roethlisberger. Yet he still had a better catch % 70.2 than Brown 68.3 and Jones 63.9.

I doubt he leaves MIA, but if he does, how anyone wouldn't want the Bears to pursue him baffles me.

Catch rate should be higher if he's catching passes 5 yards in depth. And those guys deserve more targets because they actually get over 12 years per catch consistently and score TDs.

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[iueyedoc]

Landry has number skills and could be really good, but has a shitty attitude....

He is very much a me first guy and I don't see that attitude fitting in with what the Bears are trying to do. I would like his skills on the field, but his attitude could cause problems.

He plays the game with a fierce temperament that sometimes goes over the line with personal fouls, but I have never seen anything where his teammates question him or he is like OBJ.