Gagner talk heats up

[southern_cross_116]

I just got done watching every episode of the IT Crowd, and frankly I can't believe Moss would ever use that type of language...

Roy, otoh... yeah of course ( as well as Douglas Renholm especially).

I don't really have much of an opinion on Gagner; it'd be an upgrade somewhere on the team, maybe even 2nd line if they insisted on keeping Krueger there. Or maybe Bolland is -well, er.. hurt again.

Buff, this being a sports sote- you have to use cliche's when using percentages ... not 100%, but 110% ... and it's gut check time (etc etc).

..ok, gonna kick back and wait for the Eklund rumour.

 

[Jntg4]

ok, if you want to continue to believe he is a top 6 forward on a stanley cup contending team your entitled to that.

He is a top 6 forward on the Chicago Blackhawks, a Cup contending team.

I know what you mean, but disagree.

And how would it be an attempt to piss off JoeCawks? Nothing was even directed at him, and it is his own fucking fault if he gets pissed off and butthurt by the mention of his name. He way over-dramatizes it.

And Stalberg's played good in that role, that's why he's there, so get your head out of the "Blackhawks suck, especially Stalberg" mind-state.

 

[#19]

Stalberg has been fine on the top line. If you want to shit on him, you can point to the open net feed from Toews he missed a game or two ago (or even go really in depth and google some plus minus numbers!). If you want to praise him, you can mention that his speed has created rushes and space. Whatever.

But most importantly, Stalberg being able to hang on the top line gives Q options. In the past handful of games, he's been swapping Stalberg with Carcillo and vice versa whenever he feels the urge and it's been paying off. Toews and Kane are getting pushed around by St Louis? **** it- throw Carcillo out there to scrap it up. If the game opens up, toss Stalberg back up there and let him carry the mail a little.

Versatility, size and speed for $875k? Yeah, lets ***** about that.

Excellent post.

Stalberg isn't your first choice for the top line when creating a fantasy hockey team but in this era of the salary cap he is a good fit for this team. I've been surprised with how well he has played this year and have changed my opinion on him. Sure, he is not as polished and will not close like 19, 88, 10, or 81 will but what do you expect at 20% of their salaries? Besides, offense isn't the problem with this team. The top guys are all averaging nearly a point per game and the Hawks are one of the highest scoring teams in the league. Stalberg isn't the problem.

 

[tbo41fan]

Or maybe we should just come out of the sauce pan

MEATBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we should focus 100% on Joehawks in every thread.

:clap:

 

[HawkWriter]

Well, after reading 3 pages of this thread, here are my thoughts...

Stalberg is not an ideal top 6 guy and I still don't think he has the total package/skill set to be a top 6 guy on many teams. Luckily on the Hawks he is playing with Toews/Kane or some top end duo, and he is playing very well. He has earned his time and is putting up points. He has speed that opens things up and is definitely playing smarter this year. He still has to slow down sometimes (Believe it or not) and cut some of the blueline turnovers over, but he is playing well. He is a very versatile forward (especially at his cap hit) as I feel comfortable with him on lines 1 - 4, which really speaks volumes to how he adapts to the role needed. I'm comfortable right now with having a combo of Stalberg/Carcillo with Kane/Toews - hell, Kane/Toews are on pace for exceptional seasons stat wise - so Stalberg/Carcillo clearly aren't holding them back, I actually think they are opening things up in their own ways.

Sam Gagner is gifted offensively. Most people know him as Kane's linemate from juniors. He is okay defensively, nothing special but he definitely holds his own. As much as I like Kruger, I would like something more in that 2C position. Gagner would definitely bring more, is young, has nice speed/hands, and is a RFA after this year. I keep reading that Edmonton wants defensive prospects, so I'm sure a Lalonde would easily be in play.

Tuomo Ruutu is a solid player and knows how to throw his weight around. He is a winger though and not a center. At this point I think the Hawks would be looking for more of a center but obviously a top 6 winger could happen. Also, while I do agree the Blackhawks need some added toughness, I think a lot of that needs to be defensively because of the Blackhawks offensive puck protection play. Ruutu is a UFA compared to Gagner being a RFA. Clearly the Hurricanes are open for trading.

 

[DewsSox79]

He is a top 6 forward on the Chicago Blackhawks, a Cup contending team.

I know what you mean, but disagree.

And how would it be an attempt to piss off JoeCawks? Nothing was even directed at him, and it is his own fucking fault if he gets pissed off and butthurt by the mention of his name. He way over-dramatizes it.

And Stalberg's played good in that role, that's why he's there, so get your head out of the "Blackhawks suck, especially Stalberg" mind-state.

dude, you have no clue about hockey. you do have a clue about post whoring.

 

[DewsSox79]

Well, after reading 3 pages of this thread, here are my thoughts...

Stalberg is not an ideal top 6 guy and I still don't think he has the total package/skill set to be a top 6 guy on many teams. Luckily on the Hawks he is playing with Toews/Kane or some top end duo, and he is playing very well. He has earned his time and is putting up points. He has speed that opens things up and is definitely playing smarter this year. He still has to slow down sometimes (Believe it or not) and cut some of the blueline turnovers over, but he is playing well. He is a very versatile forward (especially at his cap hit) as I feel comfortable with him on lines 1 - 4, which really speaks volumes to how he adapts to the role needed. I'm comfortable right now with having a combo of Stalberg/Carcillo with Kane/Toews - hell, Kane/Toews are on pace for exceptional seasons stat wise - so Stalberg/Carcillo clearly aren't holding them back, I actually think they are opening things up in their own ways.

Sam Gagner is gifted offensively. Most people know him as Kane's linemate from juniors. He is okay defensively, nothing special but he definitely holds his own. As much as I like Kruger, I would like something more in that 2C position. Gagner would definitely bring more, is young, has nice speed/hands, and is a RFA after this year. I keep reading that Edmonton wants defensive prospects, so I'm sure a Lalonde would easily be in play.

Tuomo Ruutu is a solid player and knows how to throw his weight around. He is a winger though and not a center. At this point I think the Hawks would be looking for more of a center but obviously a top 6 winger could happen. Also, while I do agree the Blackhawks need some added toughness, I think a lot of that needs to be defensively because of the Blackhawks offensive puck protection play. Ruutu is a UFA compared to Gagner being a RFA. Clearly the Hurricanes are open for trading.

seriously? you want more toughness? cmon now.

and gagner would be perfect here.

 

[HawkWriter]

seriously? you want more toughness? cmon now.

and gagner would be perfect here.

Yes, our defense needs it in the #5/6 role as a stay at home dman. Seabrook is the only Dman that gets close to 2 hits a game. Our defense has issues clearing guys out of the crease, clearing pucks out of the crease, pinching too much at times, and tying up sticks in front. I like O'Donnell/Lepisto (one of them) as a number 6/7 guy as both of them do have something to bring to the table - but not as a regular.

All of a sudden Gagner would be perfect here? Pretty funny considering you were ripping on him a month or two back in the chat box.

 

[Capt. Serious]

seriously? you want more toughness? cmon now.

and gagner would be perfect here.

Wait a minute, you didn't even want Gagner before.

 

[icehogfan08]

Wait a minute, you didn't even want Gagner before.

Thanks for saving me a research posts...

 

[Jntg4]

dude, you have no clue about hockey. you do have a clue about post whoring.

Great response bro, instead of listening to everybody tell you that Stalberg's been playing good there, you single out one person to say they no nothing about hockey while not responding to the other people who probably know more who are saying the thing.

And STFU about post whoring, that post wasn't even close to your stereotypical post-whore post.

 

[DewsSox79]

Yes, our defense needs it in the #5/6 role as a stay at home dman. Seabrook is the only Dman that gets close to 2 hits a game. Our defense has issues clearing guys out of the crease, clearing pucks out of the crease, pinching too much at times, and tying up sticks in front. I like O'Donnell/Lepisto (one of them) as a number 6/7 guy as both of them do have something to bring to the table - but not as a regular.

All of a sudden Gagner would be perfect here? Pretty funny considering you were ripping on him a month or two back in the chat box.

bold 1- that doesnt mean toughness, you are using the wrong wording.

bold 2- with that salary, age, and the MAJOR lack at 2nd line center, he is a perfect fit. by looking at how the hawks have performed this year,,,,,we need that 2nd line center, and he would be fine. i didnt think at the time it was that bad since i believed kane might have made a perm move to center. also opinions can change, you know that right? example: i hate stalberg and think he sucks, but if he all of a sudden scored 35 goals a year, naturally I, or anyone else would change their opinion. make sense? ehh i bet it doesnt to u.

 

[DewsSox79]

Great response bro, instead of listening to everybody tell you that Stalberg's been playing good there, you single out one person to say they no nothing about hockey while not responding to the other people who probably know more who are saying the thing.

And STFU about post whoring, that post wasn't even close to your stereotypical post-whore post.

what is the defintion of good? good for a 3rd/4th line?? or good like a top 6....which he isnt. its laughable that anyone in their right mind would say he is "top 6 good"

 

[tbo41fan]

what is the defintion of good? good for a 3rd/4th line?? or good like a top 6....which he isnt. its laughable that anyone in their right mind would say he is "top 6 good"

its laughable you dont have the reading comprehension to see that nobody is calling him top 6 good

 

[TheChicagoFan]

After everything I've read:

1. Stalberg plays better on the first line than he would on any other line because Toews makes him better. So either see him produce on that line or just have him be a fucking waste of money. Your choice.

2. Gagner would be fine at the 2C, if the Hawks didn't need a defender major bad. Kane can always go back to center because he did great there. The only reason he isn't playing there anymore is because they want him to score some goals. Just recently he lead the league in assists because he is actually a good center.

3. Stop being such little bitches and taking every chance you can to rip on each other. What the **** does Gagner, Stalberg, and defense have to do with postwhoring? And who the **** cares if someone postwhores and says something useless? Just ignore it you fucking pricks.

 

[icehogfan08]

bold 1- that doesnt mean toughness, you are using the wrong wording.

bold 2- with that salary, age, and the MAJOR lack at 2nd line center, he is a perfect fit. by looking at how the hawks have performed this year,,,,,we need that 2nd line center, and he would be fine. i didnt think at the time it was that bad since i believed kane might have made a perm move to center. also opinions can change, you know that right? example: i hate stalberg and think he sucks, but if he all of a sudden scored 35 goals a year, naturally I, or anyone else would change their opinion. make sense? ehh i bet it doesnt to u.

We needed the 2nd line center when I brought it up 2 months ago. The salary was the same 2 months ago, Why the change all of a sudden?

 

[Jntg4]

Dewey, we all said "good for the salary"... but there simply isn't a need to replace him up there when the first line is playing great without an upgrade there, it would simply be better to upgrade elsewhere where it is more needed.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Dewey just wants to make himself seem like a fucking genius by using old ideas from others and turning them into his own. And by trashing a player that is playing good right now in hopes that he fails and he looks like the smartest man in the whole world.

Too bad the 2C position needing to be addressed was already a big topic at the beginning of the season and you were against it, because, as always, you hope that by taking the opposition, you get lucky and look smart.

Stalberg is playing well and you took the opposite position just to take a chance and hope that he starts to suck and you look like a genius.

You're the Skip Bayless of CCS. Congrats. :buttrock:

 

[DewsSox79]

its laughable you dont have the reading comprehension to see that nobody is calling him top 6 good

Read the first 5 posts of this thread, how would you interpret that? dope.

We needed the 2nd line center when I brought it up 2 months ago. The salary was the same 2 months ago, Why the change all of a sudden?

Again, can one not change their opinion of a player? You cannot tell me you have never changed your opinion on a player. If you say you havnt you are full of shit.

Dewey just wants to make himself seem like a fucking genius by using old ideas from others and turning them into his own. And by trashing a player that is playing good right now in hopes that he fails and he looks like the smartest man in the whole world.

Too bad the 2C position needing to be addressed was already a big topic at the beginning of the season and you were against it, because, as always, you hope that by taking the opposition, you get lucky and look smart.

Stalberg is playing well and you took the opposite position just to take a chance and hope that he starts to suck and you look like a genius.

You're the Skip Bayless of CCS. Congrats. :buttrock:

its a message board, if im wrong about something, i am wrong....i really dont need the satisfaction from some have nots on a sports forum. but if that is the way you think, so be it, i wont look down on you for it.

did you read all the posts? are you that fucking stupid that you can only cherry pick a few posts from an entire thread? The def of good: good as is good overall for a top 6 in which icehog has him in, in the first few posts of this thread, or good for a 3rd line/4th line player? if you are saying good from the first you are a fucking idiot. if you are saying good from the last, than you are fine. anything else? great.

 

[tbo41fan]

Read the first 5 posts of this thread, how would you interpret that? dope.




Again, can one not change their opinion of a player? You cannot tell me you have never changed your opinion on a player. If you say you havnt you are full of shit.




its a message board, if im wrong about something, i am wrong....i really dont need the satisfaction from some have nots on a sports forum. but if that is the way you think, so be it, i wont look down on you for it.

did you read all the posts? are you that fucking stupid that you can only cherry pick a few posts from an entire thread? The def of good: good as is good overall for a top 6 in which icehog has him in, in the first few posts of this thread, or good for a 3rd line/4th line player? if you are saying good from the first you are a fucking idiot. if you are saying good from the last, than you are fine. anything else? great.

Yet you tell me to look at the first 5?

Read the posts...we said he is doing well up there, nobody said he is top 6 good. dope