Game 2 IGT: Wild @ Blackhawks 5/3 at 7:30 p.m.

[Chief Walking Stick]

Definitely true. There's definitely a happy medium between the current concussion protocol and taking a guy off the ice everytime they get hit in the head.

But the way Crawford initially reacted to that slap shot led me to believe that was more than just an ear-ringer. When he stumbled over backwards and fell to the ice soon after that puck hit him in the head, that's when I believed something was up.

I get Grim's point about them wearing those masks for a reason, but how often do goalies actually take slappers directly to the head as Craw did in Game 2? I can only think of one this entire postseason, and it's the incident we're currently discussing.

Lundqvist uses his mask as an actual mechanism to make saves all the time. Then again... maybe he is concussed and that's how he's losing to shitty caps.

But seriously.... he uses his mask to make saves on purpose due to the safety that they are crafted with.

 

[DMelt36]

Lundqvist uses his mask as an actual mechanism to make saves all the time. Then again... maybe he is concussed and that's how he's losing to shitty caps.

But seriously.... he uses his mask to make saves on purpose due to the safety that they are crafted with.

I don't deny that. But I ask again, how many times have you seen him take a clean, un-deflected slap shot square to the head?

Maybe I don't watch as much hockey as the rest of you but I feel like it's an incredibly rare occasion.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I don't deny that. But I ask again, how many times have you seen him take a clean, un-deflected slap shot square to the head?

Maybe I don't watch as much hockey as the rest of you but I feel like it's an incredibly rare occasion.

Maybe Crawford should be less drunk and high on pills so he can see a puck coming at him?

 

[DMelt36]

Maybe Crawford should be less drunk and high on pills so he can see a puck coming at him?

Now we're getting somewhere.

 

[TCD]

I don't deny that. But I ask again, how many times have you seen him take a clean, un-deflected slap shot square to the head?

Maybe I don't watch as much hockey as the rest of you but I feel like it's an incredibly rare occasion.

It happens a lot. Some are worse than others. Most of the time they are shots that dont give you the ear ring so you can play right through them and nobody ever notices as grimson said goalie masks these days are pretty damn well made. Still get the occassional one that is going to ring your ears for a good couple minutes if hit in the right spot..usually right by the ear to the side.

Maybe the officials need to be better equip with quick concussion verbal tests? If they arent already. Sure they wouldnt be fool proof tests but its something. Not trying to make officials specialists either as i know thats an impossible expectation. But every little thing wouldnt hurt when a whistle goes and a goalie gets a little funky as Craw did. Not trying to downplay the seriousness of concussions either or suggesting i am a medical professional And know exactly what injury is what and what communications are happening on the ice in cases like the one Craw was in. Im sure there was communication though.

 

[TCD]

Plus we are ignoring the true reason Craw was hit in the mask and rendered his new mask useless. It was the outer metaphysical world telling him to not try to be a new Crawford with his new mask...but to just be the crawford he has always been and to face his previous struggles as real craw in his real mask.

Its beautiful when you think about it.

What ever happened to Peace, love and concussion understanding.

 

[Variable]

I spent a lot of time getting lacrosse balls off the side of my helmet. I turned out fine. Right?

Its an ear ringer. Thats all it is. More concerned that Craws ear drum and hammer werent working death metal overtime after that one. Had he been concussed he wouldnt have even been able to skate over to the bench to grab his other helmet and put it on.

Im all for better league wide concussion protocol though as i think we all are but shit you cant just haul guys off the ice everytime they get in the head with something. Some fans are just to quick to think the worst. And some have never been dinged in the side of the head by a lacrosse ball, a puck, a baseball, a soccer ball, etc etc..dont know what ear ringers are and how those **** up your equilibrium for a short period. Has to be a concussion though..has to be!!

You say you don't want to pretend to be a medical expert but then you say something like that. Not everyone reacts the same way to a concussion.

And I make it a Hawks issue because it is one. That is one of their issues when it comes to player injuries. Its happened numerous times with them, with some of their most important players no less. We have on tape, just a few months ago, Q watching Toews take a header into the boards, a trainer come up to him saying they have to take him off the ice to check him out and Q going ".....Why?". I'm not saying other teams never do stuff like that, but we've seen an awful lot of that stupidity here in just the last few years alone.

 

[ClydeLee]

Plus we are ignoring the true reason Craw was hit in the mask and rendered his new mask useless. It was the outer metaphysical world telling him to not try to be a new Crawford with his new mask...but to just be the crawford he has always been and to face his previous struggles as real craw in his real mask.

Its beautiful when you think about it.

What ever happened to Peace, love and concussion understanding.

He may have that jumbo superstition, it was a playoffs mask swap when he got the new designed mask for the 2013 playoff run.

 

[Rex]

He may have that jumbo superstition, it was a playoffs mask swap when he got the new designed mask for the 2013 playoff run.

Crow seems to get a new mask every season though. Just par for the course.

as a goalie who loves masks, Crow is great, I get to see a new mask/design from him at least once a season.

 

[PatrickShart]

Crow seems to get a new mask every season though. Just par for the course.

as a goalie who loves masks, Crow is great, I get to see a new mask/design from him at least once a season.

Kinda like a ***** eye for the straight guy theme? You and Variable can team up on fashion and safety updates on players?

 

[LordKOTL]

The fact that the mask dented is good. The force it took to dent the fibreglass is force that wasn't transferred to Crawford's melon, and thus there was that much less force that could have concussed him.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

This isn't just a Hawks issue; to say that is asinine and ignorant. This is an NHL issue, all major sports issue and a society issue that can't just be "fixed" in a day because we are still learning about concussions and their overall short term and long term effects. Certain things we thought 5 years ago to be true are being found as untrue and vice versa (such as not sleeping when you get a concussion).

So do we just eliminate all contact sports until we have definite facts? Every time a players gets hit in the head no matter how hard or how soft do they go to the quiet room? What about a heavy hit and possible whiplash? Who makes these decisions? What if a player hides the injury?

Until we have specific technology and procedures in place that can answer this, we will always be playing this "guessing game" and have such subjective decisions made.


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[Rex]

Kinda like a ***** eye for the straight guy theme? You and Variable can team up on fashion and safety updates on players?

hate all you want, but goalies love other goalies gear.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

hate all you want, but goalies love other goalies gear.

You spelled boyfriends wrong...


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[Variable]

This isn't just a Hawks issue; to say that is asinine and ignorant. This is an NHL issue, all major sports issue and a society issue that can't just be "fixed" in a day because we are still learning about concussions and their overall short term and long term effects. Certain things we thought 5 years ago to be true are being found as untrue and vice versa (such as not sleeping when you get a concussion).

So do we just eliminate all contact sports until we have definite facts? Every time a players gets hit in the head no matter how hard or how soft do they go to the quiet room? What about a heavy hit and possible whiplash? Who makes these decisions? What if a player hides the injury?

Until we have specific technology and procedures in place that can answer this, we will always be playing this "guessing game" and have such subjective decisions made.


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I never said it's JUST a Hawks issue, but that it's one they in particular handle poorly. I'm not asking that all contact be outlawed or anything like that. That's just going to the extreme without wanting to actually discuss it. Which is pretty much always the standard bullshit response that happens when people talk about this. "Well whaddya wanna do, ban hittin'!?!?" No. You just take better precautions when things like a player takes a fucking header into the boards. Or a goalie is using the net to keep himself upright after his helmet is dented from a shot to the point where he can't even use it anymore and has to get another. Or when Seabrook is almost literally out cold on the ice and he goes back into play. Simple, obvious shit like that can be handled much better.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

All players should wear pink tutus as a precaution too.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Nope...

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[xer0h0ur]

Y dis thread still kik'n? Game tree thread iz wur iz at.

 

[mikita's helmet]

I never said it's JUST a Hawks issue, but that it's one they in particular handle poorly.

Where do the Hawks rank out of the 30 NHL teams on this issue?

Are they the worst offender in the league?

In the top five?

What are you basing their poor handling of the issue on?

An NHL report, based on scientific data, or a couple of anecdotes to prove your point?

 

[xer0h0ur]

90% or in other words half of the league are worse