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Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan can make layups.
Game 3 IGT: Chicago Bulls vs Cleveland Cavs (Series tied 1-1) 7:00PM CDT ESPN
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I never once said that noah brings the same to the table as them. my comparison began and ended with their free throw shooting. work on that reading comprehension brah
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And what can Howard and Jordan bring that makes up for their lack of free throw shooting? That's the point.
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Noah is hurting the Bulls right now. He either gets better RIGHT NOW and truly needs to see his role reduced.
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well my initial response was to someone else who claimed they wish noah would just get hurt or play less than 10 min a game. that's just flat out dumb as ****. and again, noah brings things to the table still that helps this team. he delivers assists, while not turning the ball over. he rebounds, especially offensive rebounds. sets good screens to help get shooters like dunn open. but I wouldn't expect you to find those type of things important since they aren't flashy type of plays.
again, right now he cant make a free throw and is struggling in general to put the ball in the basket....but that isn't the reason Jo is on the team to begin with :shrug:
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Ignore posters like Novak and don't take the bait. Because thats all it was, was bait.
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haha he usually seems more even keeled than that from what ive seen
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First of all, you can go **** yourself for thinking I only look at the flashy things. You can look up any of my posting history on this website and see my thoughts on that shit. Second, him on the court essentially means the Bulls are playing 4 vs 5 on the offensive end. All the talk about players being tired and worn down defensively because of guys like Lebron and Kyrie, and nobody mentions how much more guys like Jimmy and Dunn have to work on the offensive end because Cleveland knows they don't have to guard one player. Finally, his defense has regressed. The Cavs currently, coupled with the Bucks int he first round are shooting 44% from the field with him on the court, and the Cavs are 50% from inside 10 feet when he is on the floor.
That's not good when you need to keep guys like Kyrie and James out of the lane.
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ehhh no thanks
and I disagree with this. he is still dropping a high number of assists(his assist to turnover ratio is tops on the team). and he gets more offensive rebounds than anyone else. not to mention how he makes things actually easier for dunn and butler and rose with his screens to free them up. those things all happen at the OFFENSIVE side of the ball. again, just because he isn't scoring the ball doesn't mean he isn't an effective offensive player. not sure when you guys all started expecting points out of JO in the first place :shrug:
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I expect him to make layups. I expect him to not pass up open shots around the rim. I expect him to make at least 70% of his free throws. He has done none of those things. It takes away from everything else he can do offensively. What good is his passing if the other team is playing 10 feet off him looking for that pass? What good are his screens when his man can cheat off him and double the guy coming off the screen without worrying about whether Noah will make him pay?
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I don't think you'll have any issues
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if that's so true, then how come noah was the only starter last game to commit ZERO turnovers and he still dropped 4 assists? i want him to make layups and free throws too, but that's not a realistic thing right now to expect with the knee issue. hes still making an impact on the game in a positive manner
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and FWIW, noah is shooting 44% in the playoffs currently, and he is a career 49% shooter....not as massive of a dropoff as everyone is making it out to be. its really just the free throws
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It's not realistic to expect your starting center who makes over $10 million to make a layup and free throws?
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with his knee, no its not realistic to "expect" it. hope for it sure
and noah didn't get his 10 mil per year contract based off what he did this season and he certainly didn't get the contract for his free throw shooting. but go ahead and keep harping on the things noah isn't known for in the first place :shrug:
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And with his knee injury, it appears he hurts the Bulls offensively more so than helps them. That is reason alone to play him less minutes and time.
When this is happening...
All the time, you have to make some changes.
You say we're not going to win the series without Noah. You're probably right. With his play thus far this season, we're not going to win with him either. So why not try another option?
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And with his knee injury, it appears he hurts the Bulls offensively more so than helps them. That is reason alone to play him less minutes and time.
When this is happening...
All the time, you have to make some changes.
You say we're not going to win the series without Noah. You're probably right. With his play thus far this season, we're not going to win with him either. So why not try another option?
making lineup alterations is one thing. what a lot of people are clamoring for on here is another. and noah again FWIW is having a better playoffs this year than he did the last 2 years in the playoffs. don't believe me, go look at the numbers
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Lets go by Per 36 min
He has almost a rebound more per game this year
His assists are higher this year, which really means nothing to me given that this team is better and can make more shots.
His points are way down (party plays into having a better team)
In the advanced metrics:
His PER is the lowest of his career.
He has the lowest defensive rating of his career.
His rebounds % is slightly better than last year
His TOV% is better than last year
Has the lowest eFG% of his career. Is just GOD awful at the free throw line.
His TS% is also the lowest of his career, not even close.
So what Noah is giving us this season that he wasn't last is pretty much slightly better rebounding, a few more assists, and he's not turning the ball over as much (probably because he's not playing point center the whole game). What he's giving us worse.... much worse is his offense, which hurts the Bulls more than what he's slightly doing better at on the other end this year.
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I'm not saying he can't pass, I'm saying that it makes it harder. Kudos to him for getting those 4 assists with 0 turnovers. I'm glad he did. But when he's also at least a threat to hit a shot or two, it opens everything up more. Maybe he'd get 7 assists instead of 4.
Free throws should have nothing to do with his knees. He doesn't use them on his free throw. He's shooting 7% from the line. I don't care if you have no knees, you can probably shoot better than that.
I don't think he's been as bad as others say, but his play has dipped and it makes things harder for the team. Yes he can still give you some positives, but if you're blowing layups, something needs to be addressed.
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All in all, I think you gain more than you lose by cutting his minutes.
That's my bottom line.
That's my bottom line.