Lol, so no one is allowed to criticize because we aren't writers. Thats some funny shit. If they didn't want the criticism, they should've put something out on par with the previous seasons.
My offer stands...does anyone actually want to talk about the final episode of the show, or did you all read the so-called reddit spoilers and ruin it for yourselves? Kind of a sad end to this epic thread if that's the case.
Nah, you're only saying that because you like what is being put out. When you thought I was a fear the walking dead fan, it was ok to be condescending. My criticisms are legit, and it's disappointing to see one of the best shows ever come to such an unworthy ending.
Also, I haven't read the books, so I avoid all spoilers. Jon will probably end up on the throne after arya kills dany. Jon's resurrection seems kind of pointless otherwise.
Wrong. That's a "snap decision", which is not what I was talking about. I'm talking about a series of traumatic events leading to Dany "snapping", as in losing her shit. Two completely different things. Damn, you like to argue; do you ever think before you go into full arguing mode, or do you just let it flow? Kind of annoying.
But she didnt snap. She very logically stoped eating for fear of being poisoned, very logically guessed someone betrayed her, very logically and within the bounds of the law executed said traitor, very logically told Tyrion she would stop if the bells were rung. All of these logical things happening after Missandei died.
Then once victory was pretty much guaranteed, she decided to butcher children. If we are to believe these traumatic eve ts led to her snapping then we should have seen said snap occur long before those bells signaling victory.
Yeah that is generally how fiction works. People put something out and the consumer reacts to what they consume based on whether they consider it a compelling story or not.
This is 1000% right. So sick that some douches on the internet can't just let people enjoy things without wrecking it for them via giving them spoilers. What kind of mental makeup does a person like that have? Assholes.
I love the irony of telling someone that if they dont like something dont watch as they complain about posts that they dont have to read if they dont like them.
Then compound it by chastising people for saying sacrifice as they talk of sick douches. Not sure how one is overreacting to something but the other isn't.
Hahaha... all the butt-hurt responses because they don’t like the way things are playing out. Too funny!
The only legitimate gripe is that the dialogue has gone downhill but that’s been a real thing since season 6. That’s when the source material stopped existing. Every other complaint is just whiny children not liking how their favorite characters have been treated.
Ah so the only legit criticism is your own. Funny hiw that works.
Odd to to talk of source material stopping as if that only affects dilogue and not also character progession and plot. Like magically these guys now having to come up with their own journey to the end could not possibly end up with plot issues. Nah just dialogue, lol.
But she didnt snap. She very logically stoped eating for fear of being poisoned, very logically guessed someone betrayed her, very logically and within the bounds of the law executed said traitor, very logically told Tyrion she would stop if the bells were rung. All of these logical things happening after Missandei died.
Then once victory was pretty much guaranteed, she decided to butcher children. If we are to believe these traumatic eve ts led to her snapping then we should have seen said snap occur long before those bells signaling vicotory.
Ah so the only legit criticism is your own. Funny hiw that works.
Odd to to talk of source material stopping as if that only affects dilogue and not also character progession and plot. Like magically these guys now having to come up with their own journey to the end could not possibly end up with plot issues. Nah just dialogue, lol.
Awwww, someone didn’t like how things turned out! Your “criticism” just sounds like petulant whining and griping. You must like your heroes and villains clearly defined. GoT tends to have more characters that behave in the grey areas of life, sometimes good, sometimes bad but usually motivated by their own selfish reasons. The most likeable/relatable characters are all chaotic good/neutral.
Awwww, someone didn’t like how things turned out! Your “criticism” just sounds like petulant whining and griping. You must like your heroes and villains clearly defined. GoT tends to have more characters that behave in the grey areas of life, sometimes good, sometimes bad but usually motivated by their own selfish reasons. The most likeable/relatable characters are all chaotic good/neutral.
Yeah that is not what happened here. Grey would be Cersei surrounding herself with children in the Red Keep and Dany having to decide whether to kill them to kill Cersei. That is a morally grey decision.
This was pretty black and white. Cersei was defeated and Dany knew where to find her. There was no grey decision to make here. You just go and kill the person who just had your best friend beheaded.
Then again I always find the best time to snap and kill innocent children is when you completely rout your enemies armies and you know exactly where the person who killed your best friend is located but decide to kill some time by engaging in a senseless massacre.
Just to be clear, we are all aware that Cersei had Missandei beheaded right? Not nameless child. So what is the grey area here that I am missing?
Oh, now you want to be in the GOT world while you trying to to say logistics of war in the real world. I cant keep up with you. I know burned down guys who dont bend the knee has no affect on their children. Only if she burns them herself. Yet again. they foreshadowed this forever and you still have issues cause you basically created your own story.
I'm sorry, but I actually have to side with Remy on this one. No, she was not shown to be insane. ruthless maybe, but not insane. She felt all along she was the rightful queen, and acted as such. All her killings prior to this had meanings, the slaughter of innocents has no meaning. Did we think Stannis was insane? No, we did not. Was Cersie or Tywin insane? No, they were not.
So, other than the several times that Targaryan insanity was brought up, the foreshadowing argument is a non-starter. We are after all talking about a girl that previously had been appalled by the raping and pillaging by Dothraki after a conquest.
We are talking about a girl that just a few weeks prior committed all her forces at great cost to save humanity.
And I love how everyone suddenly has to be a scriptwriter or critic because a huge budget show is finishing things up too quickly. Jesus, people, get over yourselves. If you were so good, you'd be raking in millions putting this shit together right now, and they'd be pissing into the void on a message board. There is literally no way these guys could have pleased more than 25% of the people at once, especially given the time frame they're finishing up in. Maybe that's their fault, maybe it's HBO's - who knows. Either enjoy it or don't, but let's slow down on the tearing someone's creative process apart because they took on an impossible job and it's not to your particular liking. It sounds so pretentious.
Does anyone here want to discuss the remainder of the series rather than shit on everything? I'd love to hear from you if so...
I hate to break this too you, but it's not just a few posters that are crying about this Season being complete shit, it is the overwhelming consensus. This whole season just comes off as D&D deciding they have bored with the show and want to get it over as soon as possible. And this, after having the largest budget to work with, along with the most time. If you want to be the best, you have to finish. It would be like the Bears going 16-0 next year, only to be soundly trounced by a 7-9 WC team in a game in which they put little effort into. What's the point?
My offer stands...does anyone actually want to talk about the final episode of the show, or did you all read the so-called reddit spoilers and ruin it for yourselves? Kind of a sad end to this epic thread if that's the case.
Both. I read the reddit spoilers and spoiled it for myself but still do have a good amount of interest in the final episode. First, I wouldn't call them "so called spoilers" when they've nailed everything over the past 3 episodes. They are called spoilers cause they actually are. Even with those though there are some things left that could still go either way. I'll put that in spoiler tags for the benefit of others who don't need the time to mentally prepare for the shit ending coming. LMAO.
One is Tyrion's fate. The main spoiler that has nailed everything, has Tyrion serving on the council that votes Boring Bran in as King but most have been saying for the longest time that he will be put to death at his trial. So...be interesting to see if he lives or dies.
Also want to see how the aftermath plays out with Jon and Dany. Does he feign she's still his queen and then suddenly kill her having witnessed her madness or does he try to reason with her and make her see the evil in it all? She once told him not to judge her by the crimes of her father but now she has made daddy proud by, in fact, burning them all.
Other parts of the main spoiler just make no sense at all....but neither have D&D. Like, the part that says Jon will surrender after killing Dany and then be sentenced to take the black again and return to the Night Watch. Obvious problem being is there is no more Night's Watch and, indeed, no more NK. And who, that is left, would judge him negatively for such a thing? Are the Starks to pass this judgement on one of their own? Does Tyrion survive to pass the judgement and would he be so harsh after Dany sends him to trial to die? I'd think it far more likely he or the Starks would be egging Jon out to take out the one who just killed a million innocents in cold blood after an unconditional, drop their damn weapons, type surrender. So, yeah, want to see how that plays out for sure.
And still gonna hope anybody but Bran sits on the throne in the end.
I've loved the show for many years when it was clever. Even now, that it's gone mental, there's still a little love left. I'm still pretty excited for the finale.
Yeah that is not what happened here. Grey would be Cersei surrounding herself with children in the Red Keep and Dany having to decide whether to kill them to kill Cersei. That is a morally grey decision.
This was pretty black and white. Cersei was defeated and Dany knew where to find her. There was no grey decision to make here. You just go and kill the person who just had your best friend beheaded.
Then again I always find the best time to snap and kill innocent children is when you completely rout your enemies armies and you know exactly where the person who killed your best friend is located but decide to kill some time by engaging in a senseless massacre.
Just to be clear, we are all aware that Cersei had Missandei beheaded right? Not nameless child. So what is the grey area here that I am missing?
You keep forgetting that she's a Targeryn and this is completely normal in their history. They just discussed this a couple of episodes before. Maybe not in Dany's prior character history but definitely in her Family history. I was not surprised at all by this; I expected something along these lines--especially after Tyrion's cry for peace early in the episode. I do wish the battle scenes made more sense though
Both. I read the reddit spoilers and spoiled it for myself but still do have a good amount of interest in the final episode. First, I wouldn't call them "so called spoilers" when they've nailed everything over the past 3 episodes. They are called spoilers cause they actually are. Even with those though there are some things left that could still go either way. I'll put that in spoiler tags for the benefit of others who don't need the time to mentally prepare for the shit ending coming. LMAO.
One is Tyrion's fate. The main spoiler that has nailed everything, has Tyrion serving on the council that votes Boring Bran in as King but most have been saying for the longest time that he will be put to death at his trial. So...be interesting to see if he lives or dies.
Also want to see how the aftermath plays out with Jon and Dany. Does he feign she's still his queen and then suddenly kill her having witnessed her madness or does he try to reason with her and make her see the evil in it all? She once told him not to judge her by the crimes of her father but now she has made daddy proud by, in fact, burning them all.
Other parts of the main spoiler just make no sense at all....but neither have D&D. Like, the part that says Jon will surrender after killing Dany and then be sentenced to take the black again and return to the Night Watch. Obvious problem being is there is no more Night's Watch and, indeed, no more NK. And who, that is left, would judge him negatively for such a thing? Are the Starks to pass this judgement on one of their own? Does Tyrion survive to pass the judgement and would he be so harsh after Dany sends him to trial to die? I'd think it far more likely he or the Starks would be egging Jon out to take out the one who just killed a million innocents in cold blood after an unconditional, drop their damn weapons, type surrender. So, yeah, want to see how that plays out for sure.
And still gonna hope anybody but Bran sits on the throne in the end.
I've loved the show for many years when it was clever. Even now, that it's gone mental, there's still a little love left. I'm still pretty excited for the finale.
Both. I read the reddit spoilers and spoiled it for myself but still do have a good amount of interest in the final episode. First, I wouldn't call them "so called spoilers" when they've nailed everything over the past 3 episodes. They are called spoilers cause they actually are. Even with those though there are some things left that could still go either way. I'll put that in spoiler tags for the benefit of others who don't need the time to mentally prepare for the shit ending coming. LMAO.
One is Tyrion's fate. The main spoiler that has nailed everything, has Tyrion serving on the council that votes Boring Bran in as King but most have been saying for the longest time that he will be put to death at his trial. So...be interesting to see if he lives or dies.
Also want to see how the aftermath plays out with Jon and Dany. Does he feign she's still his queen and then suddenly kill her having witnessed her madness or does he try to reason with her and make her see the evil in it all? She once told him not to judge her by the crimes of her father but now she has made daddy proud by, in fact, burning them all.
Other parts of the main spoiler just make no sense at all....but neither have D&D. Like, the part that says Jon will surrender after killing Dany and then be sentenced to take the black again and return to the Night Watch. Obvious problem being is there is no more Night's Watch and, indeed, no more NK. And who, that is left, would judge him negatively for such a thing? Are the Starks to pass this judgement on one of their own? Does Tyrion survive to pass the judgement and would he be so harsh after Dany sends him to trial to die? I'd think it far more likely he or the Starks would be egging Jon out to take out the one who just killed a million innocents in cold blood after an unconditional, drop their damn weapons, type surrender. So, yeah, want to see how that plays out for sure.
And still gonna hope anybody but Bran sits on the throne in the end.
I've loved the show for many years when it was clever. Even now, that it's gone mental, there's still a little love left. I'm still pretty excited for the finale.
it's not the fact it has gone mental. I think the plot line could have played out just like this, however they needed to take more time to develop the plot. It's not as if HBO told D& D they had to wrap this up in 6 episodes, quite the opposite actually, HBO wanted more episodes, even another season if necessary.
So yeah, the NK could have been defeated, and at heavy costs. But come on, in one battle? With such a ridiculous portrayal? Same with Dany going mad. yes, it could happen, but Targaryans slip into insanity gradually, they don't save humanity one week, and try and destroy it literally the next week. Come on man! Heat seeking ballistas one week turn to wrist rocket sling shots the next. come on man!
I think some of that reddit spoiler at the end was speculation. The true spoilers were emphasized by the ---(spoiler) followed at the very end by speculation. What I can't figure out is how Jon can get away with Killing Dany without the Dothraki and Unsullied going batshit crazy.........unless they eventually start to turn on here as well because of the executions.
