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I don't see how when he shattered to pieces and even the children of the forest learned to regret ever creating him. Nobody left with the need or want to create another.
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but it's not like flipping a switch, it is a gradual progression, that is where the issue is.
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I had heard mumblings on this as well, that Tormund stumbles across another spiral made of human body parts. I think the show runners need this to justify sending Jon to the NW.
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This would answer this
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No, it went mental. Mental with this Arya nonsense, Dany going bat shit crazy overnight cause the man she loves sees fucking his aunt as a bad thing, the Bronn stupid shit, both Jaime and Tyrion trying to save the other mad queen even after she sought to have them killed, etc. The difference between what was done with Martin's source material and then without was night and day. There used to be small hints here and there that might lead to something and might not. Now, it's as if they're hitting you over the head with these repeated foreshadowings and there's been no limit to the plot armor they're willing to provide.
I don't find it odd to believe Jon and Dany will have time alone together in which he can do it. I want to know who would see the need for punishing him for it as you'd think all that will be on the council in the end would have been begging him to do it anyway as he's the only one she'll allow close to her without threatening his life.
Also want to know why the **** Bronn would be on that council. He's done nothing all season but a meaningless cameo appearance.
Also want to know why the **** Bronn would be on that council. He's done nothing all season but a meaningless cameo appearance.
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That would just be another thing to point to as evidence the show went mental.
And why did Tormund want to go back there anyway? They never stayed by choice and tried on many occassions to fight to get out. There's nobody even there now FFS. M-E-N-T-A-L
And why did Tormund want to go back there anyway? They never stayed by choice and tried on many occassions to fight to get out. There's nobody even there now FFS. M-E-N-T-A-L
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'Game of Thrones' Flubs Again, Jaime's Hand Grows Back to Hug Cersei
It seems like whoever's making the final edits on "Game of Thrones" these days needs another Starbucks.
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The thing that I don't get about viewers is that somehow, suddenly, "plot armor" is a problem for them. Dany was captured by/given to Dothraki twice, again by some wizards, survived the NK, swims in fire for shits and giggles, and not a peep about "plot armor."
Cripple boy goes out on an expedition with a couple kids and his handicapped guardian where he manages to evade wildlings, walkers, and wights -- never mind starvation; is dragged back many miles by the surviving child; bailed out by his half-dead uncle; then again by his sister. In only one of these instances was "plot armor" brought up.
We can go on and on with this concerning pretty much every character that has made it even half way this far (Arya, Jon [hell, they even rezzed him], Theon, Jaimie, Sansa, and so on); but only now is it en vogue to complain about the improbable survival of any of these people. There's plenty to ***** about, but why is this suddenly an issue when it's been a sizeable part of the show since day 1?
Cripple boy goes out on an expedition with a couple kids and his handicapped guardian where he manages to evade wildlings, walkers, and wights -- never mind starvation; is dragged back many miles by the surviving child; bailed out by his half-dead uncle; then again by his sister. In only one of these instances was "plot armor" brought up.
We can go on and on with this concerning pretty much every character that has made it even half way this far (Arya, Jon [hell, they even rezzed him], Theon, Jaimie, Sansa, and so on); but only now is it en vogue to complain about the improbable survival of any of these people. There's plenty to ***** about, but why is this suddenly an issue when it's been a sizeable part of the show since day 1?
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Dany doing what she did is fine, but the descent should have been done over the course of an entire season, not crammed into one 80 minute episode literally after she helped save humanity. That's really the issue here. There probably should've been a ten episode season last year and another one this year to allow the story to work itself out.
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You telling me the interwebz follows trends? Da fuq you say?Murdering children
It's trendy right now, all the cool kids are doing it.
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Yeah, even a few of the actors have showed displeasure with the writing. Kit Harrington called it disappointing, before trying to save himself and calling it epic. Emilia Clarke had an incredibly awkward reaction to the question of how it ended. Varys (don't know his name) has said the writing dropped off after they ran out of source material. So, I mean, it isn't just randos on the interwebz.
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cause in the book there is no night king there is the great other. The closest thing to the night king in the book was euron. So the great other could still be around
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That wasn't plot armor with Dany. She had the blood of the dragon, the unburnt! Crippled boy had others protecting him and his uncle was not half-dead, he was fully dead and would have turned into a wight had the children of the forest not intervened. It was Bran's sister's plot armor that allowed her to get to the point of saving him and, again, get through the KL destruction. And not plot armor armor for Jon. He did die but being kinda special, the prince that was promised and one who has the warrior spirit, he was raised again.
No plot armor for Theon as he was tortured. The idea of torture is to make one go through much pain without dying. No plot armor for Jaime in the end. Ramsay wasn't trying to kill Sansa either. He'd rather rape her.
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So, yeah, many legit gripes and suspect writing to say the least.
But I loved the episode, gonna miss this show even though it’s run it’s course.
Wish it had ended on par with BB or Sopranos but i’m not gonna ***** and whine, overall it was entertaining AF.
But I loved the episode, gonna miss this show even though it’s run it’s course.
Wish it had ended on par with BB or Sopranos but i’m not gonna ***** and whine, overall it was entertaining AF.
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I try to imagine where Martin was going with the story as opposed to where the show runners have gone. I definitely think the battle with the NK would have gone totally different with Martin so that part of it was completely blotched especially with the episode concluding it being done mostly in the dark. Not that I think it would have been different if viewers could have seen that 75% of the show they missed because it was so dark, cause all they would have seen is main characters getting piled on by the army of the dead and then saved by other main characters over and over again in an episode full of nothing but plot armor. So, that part of the story, the show runners did no justice to and completely ruined it.
As for the main focus of the show, the constant fight for control of the Iron Throne, I actually do believe Martin was headed for the Mad Queen Dany finish. The episode was good with the cinematography and initial strategy. See Dany do the dive bomb with Drogon on to Euron and his fleet, the thing everybody wanted to see in the previous episode. And it was great to actually be able to see all the fighting after suffering through the dark episode 3.
The problem is in the story telling and I'm quite certain this is what Martin meant when he said if they were to stay true to the story, it would have taken several more seasons to get there. The relationship with Jon/Dany would have been going on for much longer and been far more complicated. Her regression from the breaker of chains to being hell bent on revenge would have been over a much longer period of time. Let's face it, it makes no sense to have her risking her own life and that of her "children" to save humanity right before she goes into "burn them all" mode.
In Martin's story she likely has a baby w/Jon, something that's been foreshadowed in the story on several occasions. This would complicate things as while Jon would still be reluctant to carry on an incestuous relationship after finding out she's his Aunt, he'd also not want his child to be a bastard so would marry her and that and her having a real child would stave off her insane ending for quite a while. Things can slowly devolve from there as those closest to hurt are killed or betray her and her husband is reluctant to give his wife/Aunt the dick. Then years down the road, she does go mad but rule of the Iron Throne still goes back to the Targaryens or, at least, half Targaryen. One more equipped to rule and with an heir who could have more heirs. Think that's the bitter sweet ending Martin had in mind, a tragic love story that ends with the right one on the throne and the Lannisters wiped out.