Garza To Rangers -- Olt, Edwards, Grimm to Chi (Post 607)

[TL1961]

Reports are that a) the deal hit a snag on a medical, and b) both teams are working hard to find a replacement for the player who had the medical issue - I assume that's a Ranger prospect, but not sure. Who could it be from Cubs' side? (Obviously if Garza, there would be no talk of "replacement".)

 

[TL1961]

Third time in two years this management team got pantsed in negotiating.

You're just looking for stuff to throw at Theo and jed. And you are way off base.

 

[dabynsky]

Dempster to the Braves and Marmol to the Angels.

Not saying its a bad thing those deals or this one didn't happen, just seems odd that three deals would fall through so quick :shrug:

I like how you stated that they got pantsed on the deal for Haren when they balked on him due to medicals and he ends up on the DL this year.

 

[nwfisch]

You're just looking for stuff to throw at Theo and jed. And you are way off base.

Oh boo hoo. Maybe people will accept the fact they aren't the smartest people in the room all time, contrary to what people may think.

How am I off base?

 

[nwfisch]

I like how you stated that they got pantsed on the deal for Haren when they balked on him due to medicals and he ends up on the DL this year.

Reading is fundamental.

Not saying its a bad thing those deals or this one didn't happen, just seems odd that three deals would fall through so quick

 

[Franko725]

Oh boo hoo. Maybe people will accept the fact they aren't the smartest people in the room all time, contrary to what people may think.

How am I off base?

I would say that the bad move that they made on the Dempster deal was not confirming with him that he would go to the Braves before hand. Unless Dempster had given them the okay, and then changed his mind. I am not saying that he did, but it is always a possibility.

After the first few months, I think that it looked like the Cubs should have made the Marmol trade, but considering that Haren ended up on the DL again, maybe they made the right move after all.

They might still come out the big winners on this one. Only time will tell.

 

[dabynsky]

Reading is fundamental.

Indeed it is...

Third time in two years this management team got pantsed in negotiating.

There is no way to interpret that statement apart from Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer screwed up the Marmol-Haren deal. Even if you say that it might not have been a bad a few posts down the road doesn't change the nature of the first statement.

 

[nwfisch]

Indeed it is...

There is no way to interpret that statement apart from Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer screwed up the Marmol-Haren deal. Even if you say that it might not have been a bad a few posts down the road doesn't change the nature of the first statement.

I think they screwed it up, I'd rather have seen Haren on the DL than Marmol pitch a game for the Cubs. Haren makes more money, but the difference in money is negligible to me.

Whoever they trust to do their media relations on trades is doing a pretty bad job.

 

[dabynsky]

I think they screwed it up, I'd rather have seen Haren on the DL than Marmol pitch a game for the Cubs. Haren makes more money, but the difference in money is negligible to me.

Whoever they trust to do their media relations on trades is doing a pretty bad job.

Frankly that is dumb. Not only has Haren been hurt this year, he has been down right awful when not hurt. Sorry a bad starting pitcher does far more damage to a team than a bad reliever. I get it Marmol sucks, but the alternative was to downgrade the rotation?

 

[nwfisch]

Frankly that is dumb. Not only has Haren been hurt this year, he has been down right awful when not hurt. Sorry a bad starting pitcher does far more damage to a team than a bad reliever. I get it Marmol sucks, but the alternative was to downgrade the rotation?

Who knows how bad he would have been on the Cubs, frankly its irrelevant at this point.

Fact is, this is the third trade to get to seriously advanced stages and fall through. That worries me a bit now, we'll see if the players they get make a positive contribution to the Cubs.

 

[SilenceS]

You know why I like Garza. Guy has heard all day that he is pretty much gone and he is still trying to help his teammates. He spent a lil while with Shark explaining something he was seeing. Guy is a teammate.

 

[TL1961]

Who knows how bad he would have been on the Cubs, frankly its irrelevant at this point.

Fact is, this is the third trade to get to seriously advanced stages and fall through. That worries me a bit now, we'll see if the players they get make a positive contribution to the Cubs.

You're talking out of your ass.

You first say they got pantsed.

You then say you didn't mean it as a negative.

You then say you'd rather have a pitcher who has pitched awful, and has spent a lot of time on the DL, vs Marmol. To top it off, you decide taht if he was a Cub, he might be healthy.

You blame Theo/Jed because the deals "got close" and fell through, when they were the ones who pulled the plug on of the deals due to medical issues of the guy who would be coming their way.

You have reached a conclusion - Theo and Jed are always wrong - without evaluating the facts.

(BTW, Dempster is 5-8 with an ERA of 4.24)

 

[nwfisch]

You have reached a conclusion - Theo and Jed are always wrong

(BTW, Dempster is 5-8 with an ERA of 4.24)

Wrong. I said its odd that 3 deals get near the finishing stages and have fallen through. We'll see what the Cubs get, but I don't have faith it will be much worthwhile.

I call it pantsed on their end because it riles up the Theobots.

Dempster's ERA this year is irrevelant to the deal that fell through with ATL last year.

 

[Franko725]

Dempster's ERA this year is irrevelant to the deal that fell through with ATL last year.

:yep:

 

[chibears55]

amazing how some find a reason to piss on hoyer.. after the medicals came back and confirmed some issues on players the rangers were offering hoyer chose not to accept such players in a deal.. tell me why that a bad thing on his part? now other teams can possibly make better offers while they wait on the rangers to offer different players to replace the ones with medical issues.

 

[JosMin]

Wrong. I said its odd that 3 deals get near the finishing stages and have fallen through. We'll see what the Cubs get, but I don't have faith it will be much worthwhile.

I call it pantsed on their end because it riles up the Theobots.

Dempster's ERA this year is irrevelant to the deal that fell through with ATL last year.

The deal fell through with the Braves because Dempster was a 10-5 candidate and told the Cubs he didn't want to play there. The Garza trade died because the Cubs asked for Profar or Olt and the Rangers didn't want to trade either at the time. And the Haren trade didn't happen because Haren was, and still is, hurt.

 

[nwfisch]

I just got pantsed .

 

[Franko725]

I just got pantsed .

Well, what did you expect was going to happen you dirty little ?

Hope that you have learned your lesson.

And the FO did get pantsed on the Dempster trade, it was just that they got pantsed by Dempster.

I really have a feeling they are going to come out winners on this one though, when it finally gets done.

 

[JosMin]

Well, what did you expect was going to happen you dirty little ?

Hope that you have learned your lesson.

And the FO did get pantsed on the Dempster trade, it was just that they got pantsed by Dempster.

I really have a feeling they are going to come out winners on this one though, when it finally gets done.

At this rate, all the Cubs' prospects will be called up and they could just keep Garza :lol:


:cubstroll2:

 

[CSF77]

Not seeing the issue:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/rangers-close-to-acquiring-matt-garza.html (for the mods)

Garza Trade From Cubs To Rangers No Longer Imminent
By Steve Adams [July 19, 2013 at 8:50pm CST]
For a while earlier today, it looked like the top available starting pitcher on the trade market could pack his bags for Texas. The Cubs and Rangers reached the point of exchanging medical information on six players who were apparently ready to change teams, most prominent among them the Cubs' Matt Garza.

Cubs GM Jed Hoyer and president Theo Epstein have already been active on the trade front this summer, dealing Scott Feldman and Steve Clevenger to the Orioles, sending Scott Hairston to the Nats, swapping Carlos Marmol and an international bonus slot for Matt Guerrier, and sending Ronald Torreyes to the Astros for international bonus money. A Garza deal would be the duo's highest-profile trade of the summer and arguably the highest-profile trade of their tenure with the Cubs. It could also have the most impact of any 2013 trade deadline deal.

With the Cubs now reportedly looking to open talks back up with other clubs, even as they continue to talk with the Rangers, let's take stock of where we're at and track new updates right here:

The prospective trade broke down over the medicals of one player, tweets Bowden. He says that the clubs are "working hard" to re-formulate the deal with a replacement piece. Quite the opposite is true, according to Sullivan, who writes that "right now there is nothing happening" and that "tonight is not the night."
The loss of momentum between the Cubs and Rangers occured after the teams had swapped medical information on the players that were to be involved, writes Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. If medical concerns are to blame, Passan says it was likely not an issue with Garza, since the Rangers are apparently continuing to pursue him.
Some of the deal's apparent urgency may have come from the fact that the Rangers hoped that Garza would pitch for the club tomorrow, explains Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star Telegram. While the team thought at one point that a deal could have been locked down as early as yesterday, Wilson says that club officials now do not believe an agreement is likely tonight.
While various trade packages were discussed and reported, the Rangers prospects believed to be potentially in play at this point are third baseman Mike Olt and starters Neil Ramirez and C.J. Edwards. As Passan also reported, the Rangers also inquired about Cubs reliever James Russell, though it is not known whether he was a part of the trade that almost went through. (MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan first reported that the deal under consideration likely included Ramirez, Olt and Edwards.)
As for other teams that could jump in, we learned earlier of a possible "mystery team" that was rumored to play in the National League. Previous National League clubs that have been connected to Garza include the Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Rockies and Pirates. The Cubs have not re-engaged the Dodgers at this point, however, writes Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
While the Cardinals have been connected to Garza as well, Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times tweets that they are not the unnamed team in the mix. The Nationals also appear to be out of the race, both Wittenmyer and ESPN's Jim Bowden (Twitter link) report. Of course, at this point, it seems that negotiations could pick up with any club -- American or National League -- that has the need and the means for Garza.
Earlier Updates (reverse chronological order)

Garza's agent (Nez Balelo of CAA Sports) has reportedly been notified by the Cubs that a trade could be coming, according to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times (free registration required). Garza himself confirmed that notification, though he downplayed its significance given his seemingly annual involvement in trade rumors.
A deal sending Garza to the Rangers "will get done," according to a source of Jim Bowden of ESPN (Twitter link). He says that Neil Ramirez is expected to be the featured piece going back to the Cubs. While Ramirez was reported to have been scratched from his minor league start today, according to a Bowden tweet, Bowden retracted that information shortly thereafter (via Twitter).
A Cubs source tells Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times that a mystery NL team has joined the fray and may intercept Garza (Twitter link). Previous National League clubs that have been connected to Garza include the Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Rockies and Pirates. The Cardinals have been connected to Garza as well, but in a separate tweet, Wittenmyer adds that they are not the unnamed team in the mix.
MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez points out that both the Rangers and Cubs have committed all of their international signing money, so no bonus slots can be used as a component to this trade (Twitter link).
MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan writes that the Rangers would like to get a deal completed in time for Garza to start for them tomorrow night against the Orioles. The two sides are discussing Ramirez, Olt and Edwards, but the Rangers are unwilling to part with Martin Perez or Luke Jackson. Their refusal on Perez is nothing new, but this is the first report that they're unwilling to part with Jackson.
Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reported that Rangers minor league right-hander Neil Ramirez has also been discussed in trade talks.
The Cubs and Rangers are on the verge of completing a trade that would send Matt Garza to Texas in exchange for "a strong package of prospects," according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The two sides have discussed prospects at multiple levels, including third baseman Mike Olt and right-hander C.J. Edwards, as Rosenthal reported last night. Rosenthal notes that other interested parties such as the Red Sox, Indians, Diamondbacks, Dodgers and Cardinals are reluctant to meet the club's asking price for Garza, who is a free agent at the end of the season.


Key Quote:

The prospective trade broke down over the medicals of one player, tweets Bowden. He says that the clubs are "working hard" to re-formulate the deal with a replacement piece. Quite the opposite is true, according to Sullivan, who writes that "right now there is nothing happening" and that "tonight is not the night."

So one of the Rangers prospects had a issue in the medicals so they are trying to rework with another prospect while talking to other teams. Who knows which player poped up.