Get me Tmac!

[houheffna]

Its wild how people crap on Hinrich's game, then want to speak of how exquisitely he fits with other teams...hilarious...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Its wild how people crap on Hinrich's game, then want to speak of how exquisitely he fits with other teams...hilarious...

Saying he is better than an old derek fisher is not a huge compliment.

 

[TheStig]

JimmyBulls wrote:

The Rockets have a solid point guard rotation with Brooks and Lowry. They are pretty much set at the swing positions with Ariza, Battier, and Budinger. I think the Rockets are probably the last team that would consider taking on Hinrich's deal. If the Rockets organization is sick of T-Mac, they can simply opt to buy him out at some point of the season. I think they will soon after the trade deadline.

Fine, we can offer them Salmons, Miller and James instead. They really need Miller and Salmons is a decent fit for them.

 

[JimmyBulls]

The Rockets are not playing T-Mac. That tells me they're pretty much set at the swing positions. They don't need to take the risk of Salmons opting in next season, and Miller haven't been playing well enough lately to help anybody. I just don't see the Rockets being a good trading partner for the Bulls.

The team that would most likely take Salmons deal is probably the Spurs. Those guys have expirings, and haven't been playing all that well this season. They might take Salmons and try to shake up their rotation.

 

[houheffna]

Fine, we can offer them Salmons, Miller and James instead. They really need Miller and Salmons is a decent fit for them.

They really need Miller for what? They don't need Salmons either...that trade makes no sense.

 

[Shakes]

TheStig wrote:

Shakes wrote:

I'm just saying Houston are in the same position as we are ... they'll probably strike out but it's worth a try to go for a FA. I don't think Hinrich or Salmons are worth giving up that shot for.

Salmons won't cost them all of their cap space and paying scola will take them out of max range anyway.

They'd obviously use Scola as plan B like we're doing with Tyrus, ie only pay him if they strike out on a max free agent.

 

[Bullsman24]

houheffna wrote:

Fine, we can offer them Salmons, Miller and James instead. They really need Miller and Salmons is a decent fit for them.

They really need Miller for what? They don't need Salmons either...that trade makes no sense.

isn't their starting center like 6'7", and their tallest player active 6'9"? that's what they need miller for.

 

[houheffna]

isn't their starting center like 6'7", and their tallest player active 6'9"? that's what they need miller for.

so what? he can't defend, run, or jump anymore...he is no good. The Rockets don't need him...I watch them damn near every night they play and Brad Miller would have a seat on the bench. Chuck Hayes is a better player at this point...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

isn't their starting center like 6'7", and their tallest player active 6'9"? that's what they need miller for.

so what? he can't defend, run, or jump anymore...he is no good. The Rockets don't need him...I watch them damn near every night they play and Brad Miller would have a seat on the bench. Chuck Hayes is a better player at this point...

Miller is a decent defender. He might not start but he definitely would get 20mpg there to give them some depth in the front court and height. Adelman also made miller an allstar in his system, if anyone can get him playing well again its him. The Rockets will need a bit more depth if they want to have a chance at winning in the first round. Salmons and Miller are just that. They plug all of their weaknesses.

 

[theCHI_Life84]

this whole "small market" situation doesnt apply to the rockets. why do you think tmac gets so many votes for the allstar team, when hes been hurt and inactive for so long? its because he plays with YAOfkingMING, who has 1/4 of the world's population as his personal fan base. Yao is worldwide, if anything, hes tapped into a bigger market than any other "large market" team in the league.

can you imagine that? getting voted into the all-star team when you dont really play at all, for the reason that you run with yao. thats large market in my book.

 

[TheStig]

theCHI_Life84 wrote:

this whole "small market" situation doesnt apply to the rockets. why do you think tmac gets so many votes for the allstar team, when hes been hurt and inactive for so long? its because he plays with YAOfkingMING, who has 1/4 of the world's population as his personal fan base. Yao is worldwide, if anything, hes tapped into a bigger market than any other "large market" team in the league.

can you imagine that? getting voted into the all-star team when you dont really play at all, for the reason that you run with yao. thats large market in my book.

You mean like AI or Vince Carter do? There name does that, not Yao Ming. People in China have probably never seen Tmac play.

Houston is a small market, they don't have the resources of a NY, Chicago (not that we use them anyway), or LA.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Shakes wrote:

I'm just saying Houston are in the same position as we are ... they'll probably strike out but it's worth a try to go for a FA. I don't think Hinrich or Salmons are worth giving up that shot for.

Salmons won't cost them all of their cap space and paying scola will take them out of max range anyway.

They'd obviously use Scola as plan B like we're doing with Tyrus, ie only pay him if they strike out on a max free agent.

TT is not plan B. I can guarantee you he is not coming back. We didn't even offer him a contract this summer. He wasn't even worth a low ball to management.

 

[houheffna]

You mean like AI or Vince Carter do? There name does that, not Yao Ming. People in China have probably never seen Tmac play.

Houston is a small market, they don't have the resources of a NY, Chicago (not that we use them anyway), or LA.

China gets Rockets games...they know who TMac is...they even know who Michael Redd is because Yi's games with the Bucks were broadcast over there too. Playing with Yao helps and definitely doesn't hurt.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

You mean like AI or Vince Carter do? There name does that, not Yao Ming. People in China have probably never seen Tmac play.

Houston is a small market, they don't have the resources of a NY, Chicago (not that we use them anyway), or LA.

China gets Rockets games...they know who TMac is...they even know who Michael Redd is because Yi's games with the Bucks were broadcast over there too. Playing with Yao helps and definitely doesn't hurt.

It doesn't hurt but lets not kid ourselves. Tmac didn't get in because of him. He gets votes because of his name, same reason that shaq, ai and carter get big time votes, even when injured.

 

[theCHI_Life84]

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

You mean like AI or Vince Carter do? There name does that, not Yao Ming. People in China have probably never seen Tmac play.

Houston is a small market, they don't have the resources of a NY, Chicago (not that we use them anyway), or LA.

China gets Rockets games...they know who TMac is...they even know who Michael Redd is because Yi's games with the Bucks were broadcast over there too. Playing with Yao helps and definitely doesn't hurt.

It doesn't hurt but lets not kid ourselves. Tmac didn't get in because of him. He gets votes because of his name, same reason that shaq, ai and carter get big time votes, even when injured.

tmac's name doesnt quite belong in the same sentence as shaq, VC and AI. shaq and AI have been to the finals, met each other there once, and shaq has won several rings. VC won one of the most memorable slam dunk contests in history, dunked over a 7 footer in nat'l play. all 3 of these guys have been to the olympics, and all are top tier HOFers. tmac has not accomplished as much, yet will probably get as many votes as these guys. how can you explain that?

and i really hope youre not saying that yao ming's name doesnt hold as much weight as VC and AI. here in the states, maybe. but if you go to china youll find out

 

[jsain360]

theCHI_Life84 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

You mean like AI or Vince Carter do? There name does that, not Yao Ming. People in China have probably never seen Tmac play.

Houston is a small market, they don't have the resources of a NY, Chicago (not that we use them anyway), or LA.

China gets Rockets games...they know who TMac is...they even know who Michael Redd is because Yi's games with the Bucks were broadcast over there too. Playing with Yao helps and definitely doesn't hurt.

It doesn't hurt but lets not kid ourselves. Tmac didn't get in because of him. He gets votes because of his name, same reason that shaq, ai and carter get big time votes, even when injured.

tmac's name doesnt quite belong in the same sentence as shaq, VC and AI. shaq and AI have been to the finals, met each other there once, and shaq has won several rings. VC won one of the most memorable slam dunk contests in history, dunked over a 7 footer in nat'l play. all 3 of these guys have been to the olympics, and all are top tier HOFers. tmac has not accomplished as much, yet will probably get as many votes as these guys. how can you explain that?

and i really hope youre not saying that yao ming's name doesnt hold as much weight as VC and AI. here in the states, maybe. but if you go to china youll find out

Judging on talent and getting the most out it and overall production, T-Mac has had a better career than Vince.

 

[jsain360]

theCHI_Life84 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

You mean like AI or Vince Carter do? There name does that, not Yao Ming. People in China have probably never seen Tmac play.

Houston is a small market, they don't have the resources of a NY, Chicago (not that we use them anyway), or LA.

China gets Rockets games...they know who TMac is...they even know who Michael Redd is because Yi's games with the Bucks were broadcast over there too. Playing with Yao helps and definitely doesn't hurt.

It doesn't hurt but lets not kid ourselves. Tmac didn't get in because of him. He gets votes because of his name, same reason that shaq, ai and carter get big time votes, even when injured.

tmac's name doesnt quite belong in the same sentence as shaq, VC and AI. shaq and AI have been to the finals, met each other there once, and shaq has won several rings. VC won one of the most memorable slam dunk contests in history, dunked over a 7 footer in nat'l play. all 3 of these guys have been to the olympics, and all are top tier HOFers. tmac has not accomplished as much, yet will probably get as many votes as these guys. how can you explain that?

and i really hope youre not saying that yao ming's name doesnt hold as much weight as VC and AI. here in the states, maybe. but if you go to china youll find out

Wouldn't call Vince HOF either

 

[theCHI_Life84]

well, youre prly right about vc. but i still consider him more popular than tmac, thats for sure (more deserving, at least).

found this article btw:
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/12/28/west.allstar/index.html

paragraph 2

EDIT: and this one too
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/12/24/garcia.asg.voting/index.html

 

[TheStig]

theCHI_Life84 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

You mean like AI or Vince Carter do? There name does that, not Yao Ming. People in China have probably never seen Tmac play.

Houston is a small market, they don't have the resources of a NY, Chicago (not that we use them anyway), or LA.

China gets Rockets games...they know who TMac is...they even know who Michael Redd is because Yi's games with the Bucks were broadcast over there too. Playing with Yao helps and definitely doesn't hurt.

It doesn't hurt but lets not kid ourselves. Tmac didn't get in because of him. He gets votes because of his name, same reason that shaq, ai and carter get big time votes, even when injured.

tmac's name doesnt quite belong in the same sentence as shaq, VC and AI. shaq and AI have been to the finals, met each other there once, and shaq has won several rings. VC won one of the most memorable slam dunk contests in history, dunked over a 7 footer in nat'l play. all 3 of these guys have been to the olympics, and all are top tier HOFers. tmac has not accomplished as much, yet will probably get as many votes as these guys. how can you explain that?

and i really hope youre not saying that yao ming's name doesnt hold as much weight as VC and AI. here in the states, maybe. but if you go to china youll find out

VC is not a hall of famer and hasn't done more than Tmac. Tmacs owns two scoring titles and was a much better scorer in his prime. Tmac was a better player till his injuries. VC has just played on better teams, Tmac had been stuck on a crap orlando team through his prime years.

AI and Shaq have accomplished more but they have been shells of them former selves the past few years and they get votes based on their names.

I'm not trying to debate Yao's name in China, I know he is larger than life there.

 

[TheStig]

If you can't remember Tmac in his prime, he almost beat the pistons single handly. He just ran out of gas. I mean he carried a team that featured guys like an old darrel armstong, drew gooden, gordon gireck, andrew declarq and jaque vaughn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87XDAM-lK-Q