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Boozer is on the decline from a physical stand-point. He has nice shooting ability for a man of his size and strength but his vertical leap and quickness has disappeared.

Boozer can score in the post and pick-and-roll against the Pistons of the league but not against teams who defend it well like Boston (especially when Rose is out- their best passer).

When you get old, you start pump faking a lot. That is causing Boozer to get blocked an awful lot against those good defensive teams and stripped.

Is Boozer a BAD offensive player? No. But when you consider that is what the team paid him all of that money for- he is.
 

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Disagree in what? The Bulls are the best defense in the league and the 6th best offense. But the reason is not Boozer or Deng. The reasons are defense,Rose,rebounding,offensive rebounding(aka Noah and Taj),and ball movement. When you have 20+ more possessions than your opponent in a basketball game they must be really efficient to beat you and you must be really bad night offensively to lose the game.
 

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Yes I DEMAND the PF to get to the rim aggressively and not hesitating even when nobody is guarding him.
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thibs: "boozer i know you've never really been an attacker, and that your strength is post up,clean up, and a pick and pop midrange game, and that you're aging, and not the quickest laterally..but in our next game i demand you get get to the rim aggressively"

boozer: "AYYYYY"



I also demand from a PF whose best thing offensively is his mid range shot to make his free throws.
difference in mechanics

plus the FT thing isn't a really big deal statistically, he could stand to be a little better, but it takes very little away from his offense

And I also demand from a basketball player to hit the open shots without hesitation that leads to a badly missed shot or a block or a steal. Durant doesn't pump fake 10 times before shooting the ball even when nobody is guarding him. :D
but durant STILL misses those shots...that's the fucking point

you can't harp on boozer for occasionally missing wide open shots, every player does it

he can't be missing alot if,as you said, his best thing offensively is those kind of shots
 

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Is Carlos Boozer seriously being defended?
 

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Anybody who knows basketball knows that the Chicago Bulls paid Boozer the money they did for OFFENSE.

The Bulls were already the #1 rebounding team in the league before Boozer or Thibs got there. Boozer mainly helps them maintain their dominance on the glass.

Defense is Boozer's biggest basketball weakness but the team knew that would be easy enough to make-up for BECAUSE they have Noah and Deng.
 

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During the regular season, the Bulls were 5th/30th in offense per possession.

nuggets,heat,jazz,thunder,spurs,clippers, and suns are better for sure

the offensive rating stat is good to use...but you have to consider pace

the bulls play at a very slow pace because they're defensively oriented and don't really have the horses to run a high octane offensive game

also rose is the only player on the team that can create his own shot
 

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well, i guess the best offense is a good defense, so by that logic

the bulls have a pretty good offense:shrug:
 
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nuggets,heat,jazz,thunder,spurs,clippers, and suns are better for sure

the offensive rating stat is good to use...but you have to consider pace

the bulls play at a very slow pace because they're defensively oriented and don't really have the horses to run a high octane offensive game

also rose is the only player on the team that can create his own shot

Okay I agree that the Thunder, Spurs, Clippers, and Heat have a better offense. I think the Lakers, Nuggets, Suns, and Jazz are much more of a toss-up.

(The Nuggets really not so much since the Nene trade and the Suns definitely not next season with no Nash).

The difference between the Jazz and Bulls last year is that the Jazz really didn't have a closer. Rose was at least capable of being a closer. Nash is a closer but I don't think he is better in that regard than Derrick Rose.

The Suns and Jazz aren't exactly high octane offenses in transition. The Jazz thrive in half-court sets. The Bulls are a good half-court offensive team as well which is a valuable thing to be able to go to when you are going against a lock-down defensive team.

Don't forget that Rose missed half of the season yet the Bulls still came in 5th in offense. That says a lot.
 

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deng is a great defender


deng's defense isn't overrated...he's one of the better defenders in the league now...hence being on the all defense team


Sorry to say it, but Deng's defense is just a little overrated. Overall, he'a a good defender, but he has some of the worst help defense I have ever seen. Luckily, he is able to hide that by excelling in other defensive areas.

Just like he is an overall good offensive player. He is a good set shooter, and is great at cutting to the basket without the ball. But in all honesty, do I really need to remind everyone what happens when he tries to dribble and create offense for himself? :nervous: Just like his defense, he is able to hide that problem with his skills in the other aforementioned areas.

And yes, I am aware of the conflict between my post and my screenname.
 
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Sorry to say it, but Deng's defense is just a little overrated. Overall, he'a a good defender, but he has some of the worst help defense I have ever seen. Luckily, he is able to hide that by excelling in other defensive areas.

Just like he is an overall good offensive player. He is a good set shooter, and is great at cutting to the basket without the ball. But in all honesty, do I really need to remind everyone what happens when he tries to dribble and create offense for himself? :nervous: Just like his defense, he is able to hide that problem with his skills in the other aforementioned areas.

And yes, I am aware of the conflict between my post and my screenname.

i think his help is fine....he has enough length to cause trouble in that area....help is not his stronger area(he is probably a top guy at onethe-ball) but i dont think he's that bad in that area

i still think he's debatably the best defender on the bull's team(though if i had to pick, i would say noah)
 

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Okay I agree that the Thunder, Spurs, Clippers, and Heat have a better offense. I think the Lakers, Nuggets, Suns, and Jazz are much more of a toss-up.

lakers are better...arguably the best offensive frontcourt in the league, and a top 3 scorer in the league in kobe,they are a little barren, but i think they're top heavy enough to be a better offensive team

The suns still run a high tempo offense, and nash is still one of the best at facilitating an offense.....i'm taking the suns over the bulls

nuggets are definitely better than the bulls..they had like the 2nd best fg% in the league and actually had a better offensive rating(if we're going to include that stat here and there) than the bulls

the jazz is the only one i see as much of a toss up, i guess the bulls are better but it's seriously debatable





difference between the Jazz and Bulls last year is that the Jazz really didn't have a closer. Rose was at least capable of being a closer. Nash is a closer but I don't think he is better in that regard than Derrick Rose.
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nash is on the suns dood



Suns and Jazz aren't exactly high octane offenses in transition. The Jazz thrive in half-court sets. The Bulls are a good half-court offensive team as well which is a valuable thing to be able to go to when you are going against a lock-down defensive team.
where did i say all the offenses that were better than the bulls are high octane?

most of them are or are capable of it(except for the jazz)

the suns still play at a high tempo pace,gentry hasn't stopped that,their pace is still 8th in the league



forget that Rose missed half of the season yet the Bulls still came in 5th in offense. That says a lot.
they were 11th in offense with rose playing 81 games last year(i am well aware boozer missed twenty games..and noah missed some)

if we're talking about points per possession, i don't think it makes a difference

the stat is dubious because it is kind of an efficiency stat..

it's not as extreme as FG% individually,but in the case of the bulls, they are a well run offense, but they dont really have the ball handlers, or the shooters, or simply the guys up front to run a high tempo offense,

i think if they did, their efficiency would go down

the bulls played at a slow pace to help out the D, but really you couldn't expect the bulls team to overwhelm you scoring wise

the bulls were also 12th in FG%

a reason the bulls were 5th is because of the offensive rebounding....offensive rebounding is kind of an interesting stat

technically it's an offensive stat, but really it just gives the offense another chance in the possession after they messed up...although offensive rebounding often leads to clean up buckets...kind of a tough stat to decipher

but honestly, do you think the bulls were the 5th best offense overall with rose gone for half of the time?
 

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