Good news for the Bulls!

[houheffna]

Sssssh...Amare is listening.

There are many PF's worse than Boozer and he would be a huge upgrade in many teams. But I am starting to believe that it's just the Bulls fanbase tending to underrate their players so much that makes the damage. Bulls fans talking shit about Boozer and many other players, most of the reporters' opinions is just what the fanbase wants to hear...So Boozer's reputations is so low now that we can't trade him.

What the hell? What are you Amish? People have telephones and Internet...why would they have to poll Bulls fans on their opinions of Boozer? If Thibs was saying that...that's different. LOL...that's hilarious. You think anybody would good sense would listen to people on this forum? Wow...

 

[thechosenone]

If I played with Jordan and was 7 feet tall and took 2 shots per game and made 1.5 of them, I might lead the NBA in Orating too.

It would mean that you would be a damn good offensive player who would deserve more than 2 shots per game and your coach should design some plays for you to get the ball more often. Or maybe it would mean that the NBA sucks defensively in defensive Centers. It may sucks so hard that Asik can get a 25 mill contract. And this is also a reason for your coach to design some more plays for you to get the ball.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

It would mean that you would be a damn good offensive player who would deserve more than 2 shots per game and your coach should design some plays for you to get the ball more often. Or maybe it would mean that the NBA sucks defensively in defensive Centers. It may sucks so hard that Asik can get a 25 mill contract. And this is also a reason for your coach to design some more plays for you to get the ball.

LOOOOOOOL *dead*

Tyson Chandler is 1st in that statistic and he rarely has a play designed for him. Joakim Noah is 5th in that statistic and he NEVER has a play designed for him.

You. Don't. Know. Basketball.

 

[thechosenone]

What the hell? What are you Amish? People have telephones and Internet...why would they have to poll Bulls fans on their opinions of Boozer? If Thibs was saying that...that's different. LOL...that's hilarious. You think anybody would good sense would listen to people on this forum? Wow...

Nah it's not only in this forum. Most of the Bulls fans underrate their players so badly that it's not even funny. If someone without knowing, based on what the Bulls fans are saying about their players had to guess what seed did the Bulls get the last year without looking at the standings he would definitely say that the Bulls missed the playoffs! The knicks fans are exactly the opposite. Every player they have they overate him to death.

And yes many decisions are made or not because of the fans opinion.

 

[thechosenone]

LOOOOOOOL *dead*

Tyson Chandler is 1st in that statistic and he rarely has a play designed for him. Joakim Noah is 5th in that statistic and he NEVER has a play designed for him.

You.Just.described.Why.the.Knicks.Suck.

And.You.think.so.about.Noah.His.absence.was.the.biggest.reason.why.the.6ers.beat.us.even.without.Rose.If.Noah.was.there.it.wouldn't.have.happened.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Top 20 in Player DRtg:

Defensive Rating
1. Kevin Garnett-BOS 94.2
2. Carlos Boozer-CHI 95.2
3. Dwight Howard-ORL 95.6
4. Joakim Noah-CHI 95.7
5. Josh Smith-ATL 95.9
6. Elton Brand-PHI 96.2
7. Taj Gibson-CHI 96.4
8. LeBron James-MIA 97.4
9. Andre Iguodala-PHI 97.8
10. Marcus Camby-TOT 98.1
11. Serge Ibaka-OKC 98.3
12. Paul Pierce-BOS 98.6
13. Tim Duncan-SAS 98.6
14. Evan Turner-PHI 98.7
15. Tyson Chandler-NYK 98.7
16. Dwyane Wade-MIA 98.8
17. Ronnie Brewer-CHI 98.9
18. Rajon Rondo-BOS 98.9
19. Udonis Haslem-MIA 98.9
20. Brandon Bass-BOS 99.1

Q: What do all players have in common (besides Camby who played for 2 teams)?

A: They all played for good defensive teams.

It is no coincidence that Boozer is ranked above Josh Smith and Dwight Howard. The statistic to measure DRtg for players in pure bullshit when trying to rank defensive players. And, in Boozer's case, it shows that if you play in a good enough defensive system with good enough defensive teammates that you can actually be a bad defender and rank amongst the top.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Joe Johnson. 25 mil contract, 30+ years old, his game is getting worse every year, he scores 17 points per game, he doesn't play defense.

1.this is REALLY the only example you have?

2. johnson is easily better than boozer....his D is bad, but boozer's is a bit worse

3. bolded is incorrect,joe johnson averaged 18.8 PPG, on decent shooting numbers, and was the #1 option on the hawks

4. is there a team that's going to build a big 3 that includes boozer?

You are talking like he is the worst defender.

show me where i have said he is the worst defender

It's not coincidence that when you go in a defensive minded team you are usually getting better in defense.

it's not a coincidence you may appear(in statistical illusion) better defensively when you play on a team that has top defenders(particularly in the post, with noah AND taj)

If all these are true. How the hell he is #2 in points allowed per 100 possessions?

because the bulls are great defensively overall

especially in the post with noah and taj....

defensive rating is vague and doesn't really consider context of defense, and while it's sometimes reliable, this instance shows that it isn't

i've already stated that noah helps on D and compensates when boozer doesn't do his job on D...

Boozer sucks in general. That's why. He has a stupid face. He is pathetic. He has a stupid shooting style. He paints his head and shaves his eyebrows. He is a hard to love guy. He is the guy you always wait to see suck and point it out.

how are any of those legitimiately analogous to boozer sucking on D? they aren't

Personally I have a problem with his turnovers, with his stupidly missed shots and with his disability to dunk the ball more than with his defense.

making my point

That's why I would trade him. His rebounding is good, his screens are good, and his defense is OK.

his rebounding is good i agree, his screens are decent, his defense is really bad

keep in mind, i never said boozer sucks

also keep in mind what college team i strongly root for

i have nothing against boozer personally

also you're backtracking....

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You.Just.described.Why.the.Knicks.Suck.

And.You.think.so.about.Noah.His.absence.was.the.biggest.reason.why.the.6ers.beat.us.even.without.Rose.If.Noah.was.there.it.wouldn't.have.happened.

if ORtg and DRtg proves anything, it is that Joakim Noah is a MUCH better offensive player than a defensive player.

You're right. Not having Noah's 7 points per-game on high percentage shooting is what cost the Bulls in that 76ers series.

After all, Noah is by far the best offensive player on the Bulls.

/sarcasm.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Top 20 in Player DRtg:

Defensive Rating
1. Kevin Garnett-BOS 94.2
2. Carlos Boozer-CHI 95.2
3. Dwight Howard-ORL 95.6
4. Joakim Noah-CHI 95.7
5. Josh Smith-ATL 95.9
6. Elton Brand-PHI 96.2
7. Taj Gibson-CHI 96.4
8. LeBron James-MIA 97.4
9. Andre Iguodala-PHI 97.8
10. Marcus Camby-TOT 98.1
11. Serge Ibaka-OKC 98.3
12. Paul Pierce-BOS 98.6
13. Tim Duncan-SAS 98.6
14. Evan Turner-PHI 98.7
15. Tyson Chandler-NYK 98.7
16. Dwyane Wade-MIA 98.8
17. Ronnie Brewer-CHI 98.9
18. Rajon Rondo-BOS 98.9
19. Udonis Haslem-MIA 98.9
20. Brandon Bass-BOS 99.1

Q: What do all players have in common (besides Camby who played for 2 teams)?

A: They all played for good defensive teams.

It is no coincidence that Boozer is ranked above Josh Smith and Dwight Howard. The statistic to measure DRtg for players in pure bullshit when trying to rank defensive players. And, in Boozer's case, it shows that if you play in a good enough defensive system with good enough defensive teammates that you can actually be a bad defender and rank amongst the top.

here's another thought

arguably the best defender on the bulls is not on this list

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

CHI, BOS, PHI, MIA, NYK, ATL, OKC, SAS, ORL, HOU/POR are the 10 teams that make up this list of top 20 players in PlayerDRtg.

8 of those 10 teams were in the top 10 NBA teams in TeamDRtg (ORL was 12th; POR/HOU both slightly above average).

Is it merely a coincidence that very good defensive players on lesser defensive teams were not included (like McGee on DEN/WAS, Prince on DET, Lopez on PHX, Hayes on SAC, Bell or Millsap on UTA, or Kaman or Okafor on NOH)?

I think not.

 

[thechosenone]

@CODE_BLUE56
I hate multiquotes. No JJ is not the only example I have. He is the worst example I have. The player that no team should want to have for the same reasons with Boozer.

Paul Pierce
Ben Gordon (JUST TRADED)
Corey Maggette (JUST TRADED)
Pau Gasol
Amare Stoudemire
Turkoglu
Andrea Bargnani
Emeka Okafor (JUST TRADED)

BUT BOOZER CAN'T be traded!!! He sucks more than all these guys depending on the money he gets.

All the other things you are asking is just repeating the same things.

 

[thechosenone]

OMG!!! Here is the Kaman again. And now it's Okafor with him too. Buuuut Boozer is worse than Kaman!!!


Seriously now. The only thing it takes to say that someone sucks is to see him with a Bulls uniform. I hope the Bulls will get Kaman this offseason! Then I will grab the popcorn and lol

 

[thechosenone]

here's another thought

arguably the best defender on the bulls is not on this list

Because he is not the best defender on the Bulls. Noah is the best defender on the Bulls. And Taj comes next.

Deng's defense is somehow overrated. We could have taken advantage of this and trade him for something good...but we must follow the "long term plan". SMH

Deng,Noah and Taj for Howard. The best offer the magic would have had. Rose,Howard,Boozer,Hamilton,Korver/Brewer/Butler. Then Boozer would have been a part of a big3 instead of a shitty player in no time!!!

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Paul Pierce

Way better than Boozer.

Ben Gordon (JUST TRADED)

Less money and years on his deal than Boozer.

Corey Maggette (JUST TRADED)

Less money and years on his deal than Boozer.

Pau Gasol

Considerably better than Boozer.

Amare Stoudemire

Better than Boozer at everything except rebounding.

Turkoglu

This is a horrible contract but Boozer still makes more money and has more years left.

Andrea Bargnani

At least this guy is young. He is a better offensive and defensive player than Boozer but sucks at rebounding.

Emeka Okafor (JUST TRADED)

Less money and less years than Boozer.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Because he is not the best defender on the Bulls. Noah is the best defender on the Bulls. And Taj comes next.

To completely dismiss Deng like that is terrible. You can't stop failing, can you

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I never said Boozer sucked at anything besides defense. He is inconsistently effective on offense and a great rebounder. He is a top 60-ish player in the NBA.

His contract is what makes him a complete liability for this team.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

@CODE_BLUE56
I hate multiquotes. No JJ is not the only example I have. He is the worst example I have. The player that no team should want to have for the same reasons with Boozer.

where did i say the specific reasons are completely transitive to other players? you have to understand context..which i provided in the previous response

Paul Pierce

#1 option,plays good defense,hasn't been traded

Ben Gordon (JUST TRADED)

this was a dumb trade..but the bobcats needed scoring...also has less years on the contract

Corey Maggette (JUST TRADED)

athletic slasher that plays pretty good D....detroit got this piece at low value and shed a big contract in the process

Pau Gasol

are you kidding me?

Amare Stoudemire

lol

Turkoglu

huh?

Andrea Bargnani

young, great offensive big with stretch abilities,improving defensive abilities

Emeka Okafor (JUST TRADED)

he was part of a package...washington wanted to get rid of lewis' contract

okafor is a great defender,btw

All the other things you are asking is just repeating the same things.

huh?

 

[thechosenone]

But the thing is that Boozer sucks pretty much at everything except defense. And yes you just confirmed what I am saying. You just wrote that Boozer is worse than all of these players/contracts. The only thing left is one of them becoming a bull. I am sure that then they won't be worse than Boozer

 

[nwfisch]

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Because he is not the best defender on the Bulls. Noah is the best defender on the Bulls. And Taj comes next.

in terms of value defensively i agree, post defenders are arguably more valuable because they play a role in defending the paint against their man, helping against the other post player, and defending the rim against driving guards

position by position defensively, it is highly debatable

deng is a great defender

Deng's defense is somehow overrated. We could have taken advantage of this and trade him for something good...but we must follow the "long term plan". SMH

deng's defense isn't overrated...he's one of the better defenders in the league now...hence being on the all defense team

deng's contract will be attractive when it's expiring in a few years

Deng,Noah and Taj for Howard. The best offer the magic would have had. Rose,Howard,Boozer,Hamilton,Korver/Brewer/Butler. Then Boozer would have been a part of a big3 instead of a shitty player in no time!!!

howard has little interest in chicago..this has been said ad nauseum

and lol@that last sentence