Good read on Goff and others.

[truthbedamned]

Goff isn't going to sit for long.

I guess he would sit until Fox tells him different Rodgers sat for 4 years.

 

[Burque]

I was so ready to run Cutler out of town after the season, but after seeing him play this year and knowing that his contract becomes basically a series of one year deals after this, I think a draft develop method could work if we can get lucky with a 2nd rounder or even trade back into the first with a couple of those 6's we've picked up.

 

[Bearly]

I'm getting sold on Cook as well and Kessler ain't bad either. I still like what Goff has to offer but it's hard to know how these guys will acclimate to the NFL. GMs and scouts do this better than us and get it wrong every year.

 

[Tall Glass Of Jeffery]

Exactly this, as a huge big ten follower Cook is being sleeped on. He's probably the best qb to ever play at MSU and this is coming from a Michigan fan who's wife went to MSU and is a huge follower. He's a winner, 31-3 as a starter. 3-0 in bowl games including Rose and Cotton Bowls. He's been making great throws to where the receiver can only get it, NFL throws.

MSU also has tons of injuries on their line and he continues to impress. MSU also doesn't check it down to their running backs much so his completion percentage isn't great but he also has barely any turnovers because of his NFL throws. He's gotten way better this year at not locking into his targets. He doesn't just throw it to Burbridge who's there number one guy he spreads it around.

If Cook and MSU beat Ohio State and make it to the final 4, mark my words he will be the 1st overall pick or at least first QB off the board early in the 1st in the draft.

Cook needs to show me some better accuracy before I think about touching him early in round 1. At the moment I think he will be no better than any other very mediocre QB in the NFL. That could change though.

 

[Bears93]

Cook needs to show me some better accuracy before I think about touching him early in round 1. At the moment I think he will be no better than any other very mediocre QB in the NFL. That could change though.

Cook has just as good of accuracy as anyone in this class if not better. He also doesn't turn the ball over he puts it in places no defenders can get thus that's why his completion percentage isn't great. He's smart has nothing to do with his accuracy. He does throw off his back foot every once in awhile but if he changes this he's gonna be a good quarterback in the NFL.

 

[Tall Glass Of Jeffery]

Cook has just as good of accuracy as anyone in this class if not better. He also doesn't turn the ball over he puts it in places no defenders can get thus that's why his completion percentage isn't great. He's smart has nothing to do with his accuracy. He does throw off his back foot every once in awhile but if he changes this he's gonna be a good quarterback in the NFL.

Idk man. I've been watching him his whole career and just have never been impressed. If the Bears draft him I hope I'm wrong.

I also did some research on NFL QBs and I've yet to come across a guy succeed in the NFL with a career completion percentage under 60% in college.

 

[dabears70]

This is a great class if you're looking for a future backup quarterback. A starter, not so much. Goff and Cook will be over drafted by at least two rounds.

Oh good we now have Nostradamus on our board.

 

[dabears70]

I'm getting sold on Cook as well and Kessler ain't bad either. I still like what Goff has to offer but it's hard to know how these guys will acclimate to the NFL. GMs and scouts do this better than us and get it wrong every year.

That's cause there's never any guarantees especially with QB's. You can do all the homework in the world but you can never tell what's going on with the mental part with these kids. I can start naming plenty of 1st round QB's that had every tool needed to be a starting QB in the NFL but they weren't strong enough mentally and that's something you'll never know until they're actually playing in games.

 

[Bears93]

Idk man. I've been watching him his whole career and just have never been impressed. If the Bears draft him I hope I'm wrong.

I also did some research on NFL QBs and I've yet to come across a guy succeed in the NFL with a career completion percentage under 60% in college.

Hmm, you must be watching more of him then me. But from every game I've caught him the only reason I think his completion percentage is low is because MSU simply doesn't check the ball down to running backs and he tries to put the ball away from defenders so he doesn't get intercepted. That's just a college fans scouting of my own. I'm no Mel Kiper lol.. But that's what I see. I think he's way better then people are giving him credit for.

 

[Bears93]

Hmm, you must be watching more of him then me. But from every game I've caught him the only reason I think his completion percentage is low is because MSU simply doesn't check the ball down to running backs and he tries to put the ball away from defenders so he doesn't get intercepted. That's just a college fans scouting of my own. I'm no Mel Kiper lol.. But that's what I see. I think he's way better then people are giving him credit for.

And to add to my post, I also think Goff is a lot worse then people are thinking. I like Lynch and Hackenberg as well. But I think Cook stands out most. Goff will be better if he stays in college another year and works on his decision making.

 

[Tall Glass Of Jeffery]

And to add to my post, I also think Goff is a lot worse then people are thinking. I like Lynch and Hackenberg as well. But I think Cook stands out most. Goff will be better if he stays in college another year and works on his decision making.

I'm with you on Goff staying another year. I've said it many times before. I don't like when QBs leave early from college. That extra year of development is extremely important IMO. That is one thing Cook has going for him. If he left last year I think it would have been a mistake.

 

[ZenBear34]

Oh good we now have Nostradamus on our board.

What, precisely, do you think scouting is? Predicting the future path of college prospects. I don't see any reason my comment warrants a juvenile, sarcastic response.

 

[inchibearfan]

If you are taking Cook or Goff they are not likely to sit long as they will both be high picks and in today's NFL you don't draft a QB top 5 or 10 to ride the bench unless you want another GM and HC taking your job.

Cook has grown on me every time I watch him. True gamer who shines when the lights are bright and makes plays when his team is in need. Hackenberg has also grown on me and while I don't see him going as high as the other two I like his potential as much or more.

Lots of interesting prospects from the first to the later rounds.

Lights were on Goff when he played Utah. He showed up, but not the way you want your qb to.

 

[hyatt151]

That's cause there's never any guarantees especially with QB's. You can do all the homework in the world but you can never tell what's going on with the mental part with these kids. I can start naming plenty of 1st round QB's that had every tool needed to be a starting QB in the NFL but they weren't strong enough mentally and that's something you'll never know until they're actually playing in games.

32-3 and very few picks tells me Connor Cook has that covered.

 

[Don't Care]

Half the fanbase thought it'd be a good idea to start Hanie over Cutler. Could you imagine if we had a first round pick sitting on the bench when Cutler throws an INT?

What, the Bears might lose 0.01% of their viewership and revenue? There will be people paying to watch this team no matter what. Other than a few blowhards on sports talk radio and Cutler being booed, what is the drawback for a franchise like the Bears to try to sit a QB to let him develop? Are the McCaskeys going to have to move us to LA or something?

 

[Justin Heras]

All successful NFL QB's , in recent history at least , have one thing in common... Average to above average arm strength. Goff has a noodle for an arm and corners in the NFL will eat this kid alive.

 

[Bearly]

That's cause there's never any guarantees especially with QB's. You can do all the homework in the world but you can never tell what's going on with the mental part with these kids. I can start naming plenty of 1st round QB's that had every tool needed to be a starting QB in the NFL but they weren't strong enough mentally and that's something you'll never know until they're actually playing in games.

Yup, which makes these posters with absolutes bring smiles.

 

[Bearly]

All successful NFL QB's , in recent history at least , have one thing in common... Average to above average arm strength. Goff has a noodle for an arm and corners in the NFL will eat this kid alive.

Manning currently has the weakest arm I've ever seen on a starting NFL QB. Weaker than Penningtons which also negates that point. Fitzpatrick is no star but is doing well this year without a gun. Of course you want arm strength and should be wary of those without but it's not an absolute.

 

[Bears93]

I think Goff has average to above average arm strength I've seen him make some deep throws this year, the problem is they more than likely aren't on target it seems when he goes long, it's usually too long or he makes his receiver stop. I've only watched three games of his this season but I haven't been overly impressed in any of them.

Watching Kessler he too struggles in some games but he also looks great at times. My problem is simply this, I can't trust any quarterbacks coming out of USC lol. They always fail for some reason it's like a quarterback coming out of Florida.

Hackenberg shows me promise. But at the same time his performance against Temple was horrid. He can't do that in the NFL, Temples doing good compared to normal, but that's still like playing a team like the Buccaneers in the NFL. You've got to do better then a 100 yards and an interception on 20+ throws. He also wasn't as impressive as most think last year. He had flashes but also looked rough out there. He'd take a year to develop at least, he's better off staying for his senior year in college next year then entering the draft.

Brandon Doughty I've done a lot of research on and watched him against LSU the other night and this kids impressive. Western Kentucky by no means lost this game due to Doughty, in fact it'd be a lot uglier of a game if it wasn't for him. He reminds me a bit of Carr, small school, big numbers, weak opponents, but when he does face good teams he still shows poise and promise. The thing I like most is he's got a good arm with some good touch on the ball.

Obviously if you read my earlier posts in this thread I like Cook and think Goff is over rated.

A quarterback whos caught my eye who no one talks about is Boykin from TCU. A lot of people think he'll need to switch to Wide Receiver in the NFL.. But personally I like what I see at quarterback. His total yards of offense per game is impressive, yes he can throw. I don't care what you say I've seen great throws come from this guy at a consistent rate. He throws a beautiful deep ball.. Don't believe me go look it up on YouTube or something. This year he looks way more poised in the pocket, he's not just taking off with the ball and scrambling. But he can scramble and that makes him very dynamic, I think if given a chance at quarterback he'd be what everyone expected from RG III. The best part about him is he could be had in the 5-7 rounds.

Obviously Lynch is making a name for himself as he should. I need to watch him more but I've been impressed with what I've seen so far.

 

[Runruffshod75]

I guess he would sit until Fox tells him different Rodgers sat for 4 years.

Yeah but that wasn't because he needed to sit for that length of time. In that specific situation time was a luxury for them based on having a HOF QB as their starter at the time. Personally I believe Rogers would have been fine had he been the starter years earlier.

I believe Goff will be fine too. Back in the 1980's & previous to that I did get benching a rookie for a year or two, but times have changed & they have changed a lot. These kids can play nowadays. They have position specialists working with them almost from the day they outgrow diapers. Then if you watch some of these kids in pop warner, they're running the complex systems to an extent that you'll see at higher levels of play.

Theres no shortcut or easy way to building up stability at the QB position. If you're going to use a high pick on a kid like Goff, let him get out there & take his lumps as he's conditioned to the speed of the pro level. The Bears have had enough first round picks not making it to the field as rookies, or just plain sucking as is, no need to create more of these situations.

Plus, if you are going to draft a new franchise QB, then do it right the first time & draft a QB in the mid rounds in the same draft for insurance. This is a roster rebuild, not a bang up patch & spackle job. Bite the bullet do it right & do it thorough now so that your not stuck trying to meet needs with band aid solutions for the next number of decades like this franchise has done for years.