Gordon agrees in principle to deal with Pistons

[houheffna]

So the new over under question should be will we be drafting a 5-10 pick or 10-15 pick next year. We certainly won't make the postseason now. JR, go shove a dollar up your @ss you greedy b@stard.

If the Bulls are in the lottery, it won't be because they lost BG, he is not an MVP talent. I think the other greedy bastard in this situation is Ben, whether you want to recognize that or not.

 

[Kush77]

Shakes wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Money is not an excuse.

Yes, yes it is. If we were under the cap by $20 million it'd still be stupid to overpay somebody. You have real trouble trading guys who are overpaid because even if your team doesn't care about money, about 80% of teams in the league care a hell of a lot, and even the rest have their limits.

Well paying Ben Gordon 11 mil a season isn't overpaying. So I disagree with you on that.

This is Chicago, the third largest market in the United States. But we have a cheap-ass owner who thinks this is OKC or Charlotte. Shouldn't be an issue here. Again, money wasn't an issue when it comes to investing in a bankrupt NHL franchise. But it is with the Bulls. Hmm.

Bulls' management has a clear track record of being cheap and this is another example.

And you would be able to trade Ben Gordon if you had to eventually. There have been MUCH worse contracts moved in the history of this league. Hell, just look at the last two years for this team (Wallace, Hughes).

 

[??? ??????]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Bulls were just losing too much money to be able to sign him

What did the Bulls lose last year? Somewhere around -$55 million?

 

[Jamfan]

The Bulls fanbase is upsetting me tonight. I love all the Gordon fanboys predicting no playoffs next year. We WILL make the playoffs next year guys. And LOL @ people threatening to leave this team.

 

[TheStig]

??? ?????? wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

Bulls were just losing too much money to be able to sign him

What did the Bulls lose last year? Somewhere around -$55 million?

I was gonna say the bulls have the highest net operating income of anyone in the league over the last decade. They usally have a good 20 mill between them and the next best team.

 

[Jamfan]

Derrick Rose: Will improve
Tyrus Thomas: Will improve
Joakim Noah: Will improve
Luol Deng: Hopefully will contribute something next year.

We'll be fine.

 

[houheffna]

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

 

[Dpauley23]

There going to be alot of money this year. There losing half their corporate sponsors and Kush the way the deal is structured Reinsdorf won't have to pay anything to buy the team. Look I hate that we didn't sign him, but Im just saying its understandable why they didn't do the deal

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

Stop talking out of your @SS name anyone that scores more ppg then BG and makes less that isn't on a rookie deal? Who Devin Harris and David West? Thats about and there are only 16 players who did score more ppg. That is not overpaying for a guy who's career will look like Ray Allen's before he is done.

 

[Kush77]

DerrickRose1 wrote:

The Bulls fanbase is upsetting me tonight. I love all the Gordon fanboys predicting no playoffs next year. We WILL make the playoffs next year guys. And LOL @ people threatening to leave this team.

Well that's just sillyness. I love Gordon. And I'll take my shots at Bulls' management for screwing this up like they screwed a lot of things up since 1998. But The Bulls will be okay next year.

If Salmons can repeat what he did and Deng can actually stay healthy (which he won't because he's made of glass) the Bulls will get in.

I'm just curious to see who takes the big shots on this team now? how many times have we seen BG get hot and rally the team or keep pace like he did vs. the Celtics in game 2? ho's gonna do that now. Hinrich? ha, Deng? He'll proabably be hurt. I don't expect Rose to be that type of scorer next season. It will be interesting.

I just wonder what will be the excuses for Hinrich next year when he has another mediocre season?

 

[JimmyBulls]

Rose
Salmons
Deng
Noah
Miller

The above team is good but not good enough. So it's no different than the teams that feature Benny G. The Bulls will get to a certain point, and then turn into a bug to be squashed.

 

[Jamfan]

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

Stop talking out of your @SS name anyone that scores more ppg then BG and makes less that isn't on a rookie deal? Who Devin Harris and David West? Thats about and there are only 16 players who did score more ppg. That is not overpaying for a guy who's career will look like Ray Allen's before he is done.

11 million per year is overpaying for a one dimensional player.

 

[Dpauley23]

Well I think Salmons showed he'll be the one to take the bad shots. In small sample size though he shown he could be able to do somewhat that Gordon did. I remember about 3 times he did this.

 

[houheffna]

Stop talking out of your @SS name anyone that scores more ppg then BG and makes less that isn't on a rookie deal? Who Devin Harris and David West? Thats about and there are only 16 players who did score more ppg. That is not overpaying for a guy who's career will look like Ray Allen's before he is done.

Ben Gordon will be Ray Allen? When it comes to basketball, You dont know $hit , and you wouldn't know $hit if you fell in it.

 

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

That's not what I was saying. I wasn't saying sign him to trade him, I said he could be traded. Again, there have been far worse contracts traded in this league.

11 million for your best player is not overpaying. Sorry, it's not.

As for Dumars, he's been a lot more successful than Paxson/Reinsdorf. Dumars has a title and a team that went to the Finals the next year. Paxson/Reinsdorf have a team that made it out of the first round once in the last 10 years.

I also didn't say Reinsdorf is a bad businessman. But that's what he is, and that bad for a sports franchise. He doesn't care about winning. I don't care what anyone says. Reinsdorf is about money first. Great for business, not good for fans of the teams he owns. Or any other owners like that.

11 million for Ben Gordon isn't overpaying. So 10 mil a season 2 years ago is fine. But an extra 5 million over 5 years is a back-breaker? Someone needs to explain that one to me.

 

[Jamfan]

Kush77 wrote:11 million for your best player is not overpaying. Sorry, it's not.
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If Ben Gordon is your best player than you have problems and you won't be winning anything. We need to build around Rose. Shooting Guard should be the least of our concerns. Getting a PF that can score should be our concern right now.

 

[TheStig]

DerrickRose1 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

Stop talking out of your @SS name anyone that scores more ppg then BG and makes less that isn't on a rookie deal? Who Devin Harris and David West? Thats about and there are only 16 players who did score more ppg. That is not overpaying for a guy who's career will look like Ray Allen's before he is done.

11 million per year is overpaying for a one dimensional player.

Why is he one dimensional? Because he isn't an all defense player? His postion, which he played 2/3 off all minutes at, had the lowest opponent per, and second highest per on the team. If he is one dimensional, everyone else is no demensional if they can't beat out "the one trick pony".

 

[Kush77]

DerrickRose1 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

Stop talking out of your @SS name anyone that scores more ppg then BG and makes less that isn't on a rookie deal? Who Devin Harris and David West? Thats about and there are only 16 players who did score more ppg. That is not overpaying for a guy who's career will look like Ray Allen's before he is done.

11 million per year is overpaying for a one dimensional player.

Is it better to have a 1-dimensional player that does that one dimension well? Or would you rather have a guy like Hinrich who's mediocre at everything (above average defender, I'll give him that)? I'll take the guy who does the one thing well.

 

[houheffna]

11 million for Ben Gordon isn't overpaying. So 10 mil a season 2 years ago is fine. But an extra 5 million over 5 years is a back-breaker? Someone needs to explain that one to me.

Its easy to explain, they were overpaying for him, that is pretty much what Gilbert Arenas was saying. And I agreed with him. Other players in the league took notice that he was offered a nice contract and turned it down. Again, no one knows what happened in this case. Both sides are culpable.

Is it better to have a 1-dimensional player that does that one dimension well? Or would you rather have a guy like Hinrich who's mediocre at everything (above average defender, I'll give him that)? I'll take the guy who does the one thing well.

You don't overpay for either. You did for one, so you should for the other? Two wrongs don't make a right, it makes a stupid in this case.

Plus, Hinrich will be getting paid less than Gordon on a contract that I believe regresses over time. He is a decent player, though overpaid, but in light of 2010, you will have players better than both player combined available. I wouldn't want to jeopardize getting one of those players because we signed a one-dimensional player to an excessive contract.

 

[??? ??????]

Man, Devin Harris, Al Jefferson, or Kevin Martin would look so nice on the Bulls.

Why use the #3 pick on a short shooting guard if you're just going to ignore his accomplishments, treat him like crap, and then lose him for nothing?