Gordon agrees in principle to deal with Pistons

[TheStig]

DerrickRose1 wrote:

Kush77 wrote:11 million for your best player is not overpaying. Sorry, it's not.

If Ben Gordon is your best player than you have problems and you won't be winning anything. We need to build around Rose. Shooting Guard should be the least of our concerns. Getting a PF that can score should be our concern right now.[/quote]
We made the playoffs 4 out of 5 yrs with him as our best player. The only guys who did better than that are Tim Duncan, Carmello Anthony and Dirk Nowitzki. Yeah, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Bosh and Stat have all missed the playoffs in the last five years. Ben has impressive company and is very underrated if used right. We won't be winning anything without him because even if we get Bosh, we have no third scorer like you need in this league.

 

[Kush77]

DerrickRose1 wrote:

Kush77 wrote:11 million for your best player is not overpaying. Sorry, it's not.

If Ben Gordon is your best player than you have problems and you won't be winning anything. We need to build around Rose. Shooting Guard should be the least of our concerns. Getting a PF that can score should be our concern right now.[/quote]

Rose will be the best player. And the hope was that the Bulls could eventually make a trade and get the low post guy we've all been wanting for the last 3 years.

My hope was that BG would be the 3rd guy behind say Rose and Stoudemire/Bosh. He would be a perfect third guy.

He's been the Bulls' best player over the last 5 years. But the Bulls refuse to pay him. But they pay Hinrich, Deng and Nocioni.

Losing Gordon is taking a step back because they are now going to have to replace that scoring. And maybe Salmons does it this year. But if he puts up those numbers, he'll opt out and will the Bulls pay him?

I know people are thinking about 2010, I just don't like the idea of counting on free-agents to come here. Although playing with Rose is a nice card to play.

 

[mlewinth]

houheffna wrote:

I don't understand...if you are a Bulls fan, are you rooting for BG to handle Hinrich or the other way? I have said over and over that if the Bulls sign BG, I would root for him to hit every shot he took, to be all-league defense, to be an all-star, to prove me wrong if that helps the Bulls. If you want BG to score 50 on the Bulls just so you can be proven right, I question your loyalty to the Bulls.

Why prove any loyalty to them if their management doesn't show any loyalty to us, the fan! The Bulls can suck my nuts right now.....

 

[Jamfan]

??? ?????? wrote:

and then lose him for nothing?

We saved 11 million per year by not signing him and can now go after a PF something we need. That's something.

 

[Dpauley23]

Kush77 wrote:

houheffna wrote:

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

That's not what I was saying. I wasn't saying sign him to trade him, I said he could be traded. Again, there have been far worse contracts traded in this league.

11 million for your best player is not overpaying. Sorry, it's not.

As for Dumars, he's been a lot more successful than Paxson/Reinsdorf. Dumars has a title and a team that went to the Finals the next year. Paxson/Reinsdorf have a team that made it out of the first round once in the last 10 years.

I also didn't say Reinsdorf is a bad businessman. But that's what he is, and that bad for a sports franchise. He doesn't care about winning. I don't care what anyone says. Reinsdorf is about money first. Great for business, not good for fans of the teams he owns. Or any other owners like that.

11 million for Ben Gordon isn't overpaying. So 10 mil a season 2 years ago is fine. But an extra 5 million over 5 years is a back-breaker? Someone needs to explain that one to me.

What I think your forgetting is that we didn't have Rose during that time. Basically what I've heard from KC and Sam Rose will get max contract which is 8 percent raise so he'll be making 15 million in 2011-2012. I think that's who replaced Gordon contract since it's going to be hard to trade away the bad contract of Deng and Hinrich(not bad contract,but just overpaid)

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

11 million for Ben Gordon isn't overpaying. So 10 mil a season 2 years ago is fine. But an extra 5 million over 5 years is a back-breaker? Someone needs to explain that one to me.

Its easy to explain, they were overpaying for him, that is pretty much what Gilbert Arenas was saying. And I agreed with him. Other players in the league took notice that he was offered a nice contract and turned it down. Again, no one knows what happened in this case. Both sides are culpable.

Cause Gilbert is the authority on albatross contracts, him and his 6yr 110 million deal for no production last year. He should show up to work before he calls anyone out.

 

[mlewinth]

DerrickRose1 wrote:

The Bulls fanbase is upsetting me tonight. I love all the Gordon fanboys predicting no playoffs next year. We WILL make the playoffs next year guys. And LOL @ people threatening to leave this team.

Your an idiot

 

[??? ??????]

houheffna wrote:

11 million for Ben Gordon isn't overpaying. So 10 mil a season 2 years ago is fine. But an extra 5 million over 5 years is a back-breaker? Someone needs to explain that one to me.

Its easy to explain, they were overpaying for him, that is pretty much what Gilbert Arenas was saying. And I agreed with him. Other players in the league took notice that he was offered a nice contract and turned it down. Again, no one knows what happened in this case. Both sides are culpable.

John Paxson said to Gordon go get a contract offer from another team, and we will match it. Ben Gordon went out and did that, and the Bulls didn't match.

Gordon didn't get overpaid, he got what he was worth in an open market, in a weak economy.

 

[mlewinth]

houheffna wrote:

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

I want to comment, but what you saying is so stupid, its not worth it. Honestly, there is no reason to debate. I am just happy idiots like you don't run this team. Wait they do!...hmmmmm

 

[Jamfan]

mlewinth wrote:

DerrickRose1 wrote:

The Bulls fanbase is upsetting me tonight. I love all the Gordon fanboys predicting no playoffs next year. We WILL make the playoffs next year guys. And LOL @ people threatening to leave this team.

Your an idiot

I may be an idiot but at least I know proper grammar.

 

[houheffna]

Then let him go. That is too much to pay for Gordon. I don't believe Paxson said that either.

 

[Dpauley23]

Ben Gordon is not worth 11 million he got a little overpaid. He probably worth 10 million

 

[mlewinth]

DerrickRose1 wrote:

mlewinth wrote:

DerrickRose1 wrote:

The Bulls fanbase is upsetting me tonight. I love all the Gordon fanboys predicting no playoffs next year. We WILL make the playoffs next year guys. And LOL @ people threatening to leave this team.

Your an idiot

I may be an idiot but at least I know proper grammar.

If that made you feel any better about being a complete Special person, then kudos....

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Stop talking out of your @SS name anyone that scores more ppg then BG and makes less that isn't on a rookie deal? Who Devin Harris and David West? Thats about and there are only 16 players who did score more ppg. That is not overpaying for a guy who's career will look like Ray Allen's before he is done.

Ben Gordon will be Ray Allen? When it comes to basketball, You dont know $hit , and you wouldn't know $hit if you fell in it.

I don't know shit, why don't you look at BG's career numbers and Ray Allen's through his first 5 yrs and show me the huge difference. The only big variations are mpg where allen played 5 more mpg because he was on terrible teams and rebounds. You can talk $hit but you don't know $hit.

 

[houheffna]

Your an idiot

I want to comment, but what you saying is so stupid, its not worth it. Honestly, there is no reason to debate. I am just happy idiots like you don't run this team. Wait they do!...hmmmmm

You must be BG's baby mama or something, move to Detroit with him dumbass.

 

[Dpauley23]

DerrickRose1 wrote:

mlewinth wrote:

DerrickRose1 wrote:

The Bulls fanbase is upsetting me tonight. I love all the Gordon fanboys predicting no playoffs next year. We WILL make the playoffs next year guys. And LOL @ people threatening to leave this team.

Your an idiot

I may be an idiot but at least I know proper grammar.

Dude shut the **** up. Stop calling out people's grammar because you don't have anything to say when people shut you up about your ideas.

 

[TheStig]

mlewinth wrote:

houheffna wrote:

11 mil for Gordon is definitely overpaying. Sorry, that is just fact. The idea of overpaying him and trading him eventually is just bad management. And if he is that damn good, why would trading him in his prime be an option?

Dumars has shown to be a bad GM recently. If they sign Collins, he is going to pull his hair out with Gordon, believe me.

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like he does all of his other businesses, successfully.

I want to comment, but what you saying is so stupid, its not worth it. Honestly, there is no reason to debate. I am just happy idiots like you don't run this team. Wait they do!...hmmmmm

Lol that was great, that is the only smile i cracked since i got online this afternoon.

 

[Simeon2UC]

If you thought Boston had great defense against us last season, well you're in for some surprises. They won't respect Salmons three point ability. Gordon is automatic form long range, not Salmons. Defenses will make Rose develop a jumper because them lanes are not our friends now, especially with BG7 absence.

 

[mlewinth]

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

Stop talking out of your @SS name anyone that scores more ppg then BG and makes less that isn't on a rookie deal? Who Devin Harris and David West? Thats about and there are only 16 players who did score more ppg. That is not overpaying for a guy who's career will look like Ray Allen's before he is done.

Ben Gordon will be Ray Allen? When it comes to basketball, You dont know $hit , and you wouldn't know $hit if you fell in it.

I don't know shit, why don't you look at BG's career numbers and Ray Allen's through his first 5 yrs and show me the huge difference. The only big variations are mpg where allen played 5 more mpg because he was on terrible teams and rebounds. You can talk $hit but you don't know $hit.

Sting don't fret man. Some people are stupid, some people aren't. If you watch The Chicago Bulls, you know what Gordon did for this team and has done for the last 5 years. I have never seen a player who contributed so much, get so little respect. He has been the best player on this team for 5 years. Now, I always expected Rose to eventually be the best, but up until now, its been BG. I was extreamly excited about the possibility of a BG/Rose backcourt for the next 5 years. We will never see it....

 

[Kush77]

Take it easy with the insults guys. No need.

BG wouldn't approve of it. B)