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[FirstTimer]

Guyer=Tyler Colvin 2.0? What? The ONLY thing they have in common is that they are both good defensive outfielders.

Look at the words right at after 2.0.....those are pretty important

For **** sakes.

Go back to posting about shitty soccer leagues.

 

[Jntg4]

Look at the words right at after 2.0.....those are pretty important

For **** sakes.

Go back to posting about shitty soccer leagues.

Ya, I did. "nothing the Cubs don't already have at the Major League level."

They have no Guyer at the Major League level. Guyer is a guy who hits for high average, hits homers, and drives in runs. Colvin only does one of those. I guess he could be compared to Byrd, but he is SO different from Tyler Colvin.

And why would I only go to the Fire Forum, and not the Cubs Forum at all? I signed up for the Cubs Forum.

 

[FirstTimer]

Ya, I did.

I highly doubt that as the following words were "at best"...which "at best" would be something the Cubs already have at the major league level.

They have no Guyer at the Major League level.

No shit really? If they had "a Guyer" at the major league level in his current form he'd be hitting under .200.

Guyer is a guy who hits for high average, hits homers, and drives in runs. Colvin only does one of those. I guess he could be compared to Byrd, but he is SO different from Tyler Colvin.

Colvin did all that in the minors.
.268 11 53
.299 16 81
.256 14 80
.286 15 60

Guyer
.245 1 19
.269 14 38
.282 3 46
.342 13 58

Which one of these is not like the other for Guyer? Guyer keeps producing like he did in 2010 and comes up the majors at any point and out produces Colvin then I can eat crow. Until then Guyer is a guy that has had one really good minor league season where as Colvin was much more consistant in the minors when he was there and Colvin is already at the major league level producing and looks to be getting better.


What do you project Colvin to end up being in the majors?

What do you project Guyer to end up being in the majors?
(Stats wise)

And why would I only go to the Fire Forum.

Because that's where I figured most of the shitty posters belonged?

 

[Jntg4]

I highly doubt that as the following words were "at best"...which "at best" would be something the Cubs already have at the major league level.




No shit really? If they had "a Guyer" at the major league level in his current form he'd be hitting under .200.



Colvin did all that in the minors.
.268 11 53
.299 16 81
.256 14 80
.286 15 60

Guyer
.245 1 19
.269 14 38
.282 3 46
.342 13 58

Which one of these is not like the other for Guyer? Guyer keeps producing like he did in 2010 and comes up the majors at any point and out produces Colvin then I can eat crow. Until then Guyer is a guy that has had one really good minor league season where as Colvin was much more consistant in the minors when he was there and Colvin is already at the major league level producing and looks to be getting better.


What do you project Colvin to end up being in the majors?

What do you project Guyer to end up being in the majors?
(Stats wise)



Because that's where I figured most of the shitty posters belonged?

I see Colvin being a power hitter, kind of like Dunn, but with less power, a lower OBP, and better defense. I compare him to Dunn only in that he'll hit homers, but also hit for a low average.

I see Guyer is a guy with good OBP and AVG, and some pretty decent power.

 

[AddisonStation]

Less power, lower OBP, better defense = not comparable to Dunn...

 

[ChiSportsRich]

I see Colvin being a power hitter, kind of like Dunn, but with less power, a lower OBP, and better defense. I compare him to Dunn only in that he'll hit homers, but also hit for a low average.

You basically said, "I have no idea, so ill just throw some terms out there and some of them will stick"

 

[Jntg4]

You basically said, "I have no idea, so ill just throw some terms out there and some of them will stick"

I was trying to say that I see Colvin as a guy who will hit homers, but not hit for average. Dunn was the first guy like that that came to mind, but there were other differences that I had to clear up. Any better examples anyone can think of off hand?

 

[FirstTimer]

You basically said, "I have no idea, so ill just throw some terms out there and some of them will stick"

This.

On top of the fact that until this year Colvin had been far ahead of Guyer in power numbers in the minors on any sort of consistent basis and their averages were practically identical.

 

[Jntg4]

This.

On top of the fact that until this year Colvin had been far ahead of Guyer in power numbers in the minors on any sort of consistent basis and their averages were practically identical.

Whatever, I still won't agree with you, but it doesn't really matter.

 

[FirstTimer]

Whatever, I still won't agree with you, but it doesn't really matter.

*Translation*: "I have successfully been called out on not knowing what I am talking about. I will leave now with my tail between my legs and go discuss a shitty soccer league"

 

[wadedog21]

:yep:

Considering that Tampa Bay's Manager said Garza would be a Ray in 2011, and then they traded him.

Of course he said that....do you believe everything you hear?

 

[Northside_slugger]

I see Colvin being a power hitter, kind of like Dunn, but with less power, a lower OBP, and better defense. I compare him to Dunn only in that he'll hit homers, but also hit for a low average.

I see Guyer is a guy with good OBP and AVG, and some pretty decent power.

I don't ever see Colvin being anything like Adam Dunn. To be, he will be more like Paul O'Neill. Hit around 20 home runs a seasons, 30-35 extra base hits and hits around .300. Also provide a pretty solid glove. O'Neill had an elite amount of RBI's but to me that is not a good stat to compare to, because it depends on how many guys get on base infront of Colvin and what type of talent is on the team (O'Neill had a loaded team)....

 

[Jntg4]

I don't ever see Colvin being anything like Adam Dunn. To be, he will be more like Paul O'Neill. Hit around 20 home runs a seasons, 30-35 extra base hits and hits around .300. Also provide a pretty solid glove. O'Neill had an elite amount of RBI's but to me that is not a good stat to compare to, because it depends on how many guys get on base infront of Colvin and what type of talent is on the team (O'Neill had a loaded team)....

I don't see Colvin coming close to batting .300.

 

[Jntg4]

Of course he said that....do you believe everything you hear?

Yes, he did say it. And no, I don't.

 

[Northside_slugger]

I don't see Colvin coming close to batting .300.

Why not? From late April until mid-June he fit near or at .300 for the Cubs last season. I realize that is a small sample of games, but, that is almost 2 months full of a 25 year old first year player in the bigs. Not too many guys are able to pull that off. It wasn't until middle to late June that he began to dip down to about .250 where he pretty much plateaued.

As a minor league baseball player, Colvin batted around .300 much of the time too. His last season in Tennessee he hit around .300. I once heard a scout on radio where I live say that hitting .300 in AAA isn't like hitting .300 in MLB, it's actually more difficult due to less rest and very little scouting of the opponent's pitchers. He said if a guy can hit .285 or so, that's comparable to him hitting .300 in the bigs. He was speaking for AAA (as we have the Twins AAA here) but i'm assuming it's like that all across the board in the minors)

Point being, he's always been a good hitter, and he proved that to be true in the majors last year.

 

[Jntg4]

Why not? From late April until mid-June he fit near or at .300 for the Cubs last season. I realize that is a small sample of games, but, that is almost 2 months full of a 25 year old first year player in the bigs. Not too many guys are able to pull that off. It wasn't until middle to late June that he began to dip down to about .250 where he pretty much plateaued.

As a minor league baseball player, Colvin batted around .300 much of the time too. His last season in Tennessee he hit around .300. I once heard a scout on radio where I live say that hitting .300 in AAA isn't like hitting .300 in MLB, it's actually more difficult due to less rest and very little scouting of the opponent's pitchers. He said if a guy can hit .285 or so, that's comparable to him hitting .300 in the bigs. He was speaking for AAA (as we have the Twins AAA here) but i'm assuming it's like that all across the board in the minors)

Point being, he's always been a good hitter, and he proved that to be true in the majors last year.

I'd love to see a high batting average Colvin, it just doesn't seem overly realistic to me. That's all.