Greatest team ever/Greatest bulls team ever

[scottiepippen1994]

I can agree with the part about how Jordan was vital in his development..Indeed..
Facing Jordan in practice everyday would definately make a player tougher..In a way, competing against the greatest competitor ever (jordan) on a daily basis made Pippen a better defender for sure.....The point is, a lot of players would have been unable or unwilling to keep up with Jordan or suffered from a broken heart every day...But not Pippen, he was up to the challenge and did as good a job playing next to jordan and away from jordan as anyone could have, and don't forget Pippen was humble enough to take a backseat for Jordan because to Pippen, it was all about sacrifice and winning......That is why he is great.....A lot of players would of been jealous of Jordan and went to another team for self praise..Or even costs the Bulls games trying to outdo Jordan and take points away from jordan...Instead Pippen fed Jordan and the rest of his teammates to make the team flow as a team to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS...He filled in all the holes and roamed the floor like a maniac always knowing what was going on around him, while acting on impulse of what needed to be done to win games....Credit must be given where credit is do.....Plus Scottie faced up against the toughest players in the league and shut them down....On another team, pippen would have been a franchise player...Noone was better than Jordan and Noone can be "the" franchise player next to him, but could be the "other" franchise player....What makes a franchis player a franchise player, is his importance to the team and flow of the game night to night...That is what pippen did, so he is "a" franchise player..Pippen was Pippen and did not ride coat tails...He existed on his own terms....A winner

Must I mention that Scottie Pippen lead all forwards in all nba team voting from 93 to 96?

I just finished watching game 6 1994 bulls vs knicks seminals..half way throuugh the first quarter, the results for All NBA voting was announced and displayed at the bottom of the screen.
1994 ALL-NBA 1st TEAM media votes:
Scottie Pippen. 94
Hakeem Olajuwon. 68
Karl Malone. 65
John Stockton. 56
Latrell Sprewell. 29

As far as that voting went, Pippen was regarded as the best player in the game by sports media anounced during game.....That too was verbally announced on numerous broadcasts of Bulls games from that point, and throughout the 95 season all the way into a few nationally televised games in 1996...."best all around player in the game today" was said by numerous broadcasters, coaches, former players, teamates, opposing players and writers during that 3 year period..So how is Scottie Pippen called the best all around playr in the game if he is not a franchise player?

If any #2 guy is to ever be an exception, when being called a frachise player, it is Scottie.
For he is the most celebrated #2 guy in history...Not to mention how he became #1 guy for 1 and 3 quarters of a season without asking to be, and unexpectedly upon Jordans sudden baseball fetish retirement announcement..Not only did Pippen not have enough time at being the franchise player, he certainly didn't have enough time to prepare to all of a sudden have that burden on his shoulders...He just like the rest of the Bulls was used to having Jordan backing him up.. So for him to make that transition from #2 to #1 in such short notice, is more than 90% of franchise players ever had to do..And he was sucessful at it too....And even more, how he carried himself to readjust to being #2 again when Jordan returned..And he did it with pride.....

This is the statement that should of ended the thread and any Pippen argument.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

97bulls and I were in agreement up until sp94 turned this into a Pippen pissing contest. Then he jumped in on the bandwagon and made ridiculous claims calling certain people in here haters. And even said we should be ashamed and just admit that we dislike Pippen? HAHA. What a joke.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

What the ****? Lol if I had a nickel for every time I had to say that after reading ramis post.......

You're the one that restarted the pippen attacks. Go back to post 407. It seemed we all aggred that the bulls were the best team and that under different circumstances pippen would've yada, yada, yada. Then the thread turned to First Timer visiting mwfisch. And chili, and restraunts that people should frequent. Then you start up the attack on pippen again.

I stop short at calling people trolls cuz we all have our opinions, but you restarted this thread. Not me, not SP94, not code, not deng, it was you rami.

"I love how the same people that are quick to bring up championships to elevate/dismiss player(s) are the exact same ones who are saying Jordan would have no championships without Pippen."

What exactly is wrong with that? And that was already well into the changing of subjects in this thread done by the argument between sp and houf.

I said that for the simple reason that you guys see Kobe Bryant (a non-Bull) in a negative light while you are willing to give Pippen (Bull) the benefit of the doubt and say 'HOW DARE YOU SAY PIPPEN WASNT AS GOOD AS KOBE/MAGIC BECAUSE HYPOTHETICALLY HE COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING IN THEIR SHOES!!! AND YOU DIDN'T SEE THEM PLAY IN THE 80'S!!! AND YOU'RE NOT A REAL BULLS' FAN!!!'

 

[Deng Defense Force]

The main point I remember responding to you about was the whole pts+reb+ast+stls+blks thing which I pointed out was faulty logic because Kobe Bryant is better than Pippen according to that criteria as well.

All of these are opinions. I know that.

The problem is when people start to pull dumb shit like the age card. Or the fan card. And only hearing what they want to hear.

I attempt to respond to every point somebody makes to me. Some people have extremely selective reading/hearing in this group/thread.

While I don't think the age thing is that big of a deal there is some validity to it. Even if you went back and watched the Bulls games from then you can't get a full grasp of the the talent from the teams they were competing against real time.

And everybody, including you has some sort of selective memory.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

While I don't think the age thing is that big of a deal there is some validity to it. Even if you went back and watched the Bulls games from then you can't get a full grasp of the the talent from the teams they were competing against real time.

And everybody, including you has some sort of selective memory.

Of course not. I never claimed to have a full grasp on seasons from before I was 10 years-old. That's really not the point though. These are asshole-ish tactics that get thrown out there when certain people get upset at what you have to say.

 

[97Bulls]

The only people arguing in this joint to this extent have been the new influx of Bulls posters. I used to be in here a lot until you guys showed up because every thread has to turn into a pissing match about who is right and who is wrong.

The Bulls forum used to be fucking awesome. Now it's just blah. This was a community and you guys are not treating it as such.

Stop acting like Middle Schoolers and we have no problem. Understand that different people have different opinions.

If you don't like my pov and think I'm bringing your site down, just tell me and I won't post here anymore. Better yet ban everyone that disagrees with you and watch your site die a slow death.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

If you don't like my pov and think I'm bringing your site down, just tell me and I won't post here anymore. Better yet ban everyone that disagrees with you and watch your site die a slow death.

Don't bother whining. It's not your point of view. Believe anything you want. Using lame tactics is obnoxious and you join in on the mental masturbating that sp94/eternityw/glide do throughout this forum.

The closest thing to a polarizing statement that I make is something like 'the 1992 Bulls were nowhere near the greatest team ever and the Lakers and Celtics of the 80's were much better.'

You, on the otherhand, will go as far as calling me and Houheffna Pippen haters simply because we are trying to put Pippen in, what we consider to be, his correct place in history.

 

[Rush]

If you don't like my pov and think I'm bringing your site down, just tell me and I won't post here anymore. Better yet ban everyone that disagrees with you and watch your site die a slow death.

I wasn't talking about you at all.

lol

 

[Deng Defense Force]

The only people arguing in this joint to this extent have been the new influx of Bulls posters. I used to be in here a lot until you guys showed up because every thread has to turn into a pissing match about who is right and who is wrong.

The Bulls forum used to be fucking awesome. Now it's just blah. This was a community and you guys are not treating it as such.

Stop acting like Middle Schoolers and we have no problem. Understand that different people have different opinions.

You just said what I have been saying for the last few days. Its alot of the older members that can't accept the opinions of others. If you go back and read you would see all I did was state my personal opinion on Pippen and then a bunch of people I have never even talked to started jumping on me because I agreed with SP and 97 on something.

You are setting different rules for newer posters than you do with older ones. It's your site and you can do that if you want but all I ask is that you don't pretend that it is just newer members.

I see 100 posts everyday by older members that are ten times dumber than anything I have ever said.

I can't speak about what went on before I was here. But since I have been here the only problem I saw before this was with bmr. Since he's been gone there really hasn't been any problems for weeks.

The only thread that has had heavy traffic the last few weeks until now is the question game. So it's not the newer members, its that there hasn't been much NBA news.

You can't say its the ESPN posters because to my knowledge eternityw and 97Bulls aren't even from there. The only other ESPN posters that have joined here that I know of other than me and SP are Mr.247, y2kors, and GoBlue91237 and they aren't involved in this argument and rarely even post here.

So how can it be just the ESPN posters when only 2 of the 4 people arguing on Pippens half are from ESPN? Seems pretty balanced to me.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

DDF- sorry I lumped you in with everybody else.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I wasn't talking about you at all.

lol

I know your referring to me.
The only thing I did wrong was disagree and I peacefully did this.
Sit back, relax and read the whole thread...you may enjoy it....
Then you will see that I didn't start a dam thing with noone..
Rami and Hue were the ones that lost there cool and started personally attacking people who didn't kiss there ass and agree.
I'm sorry, but this is just plain outright true.
Theproof is in this thread.

Why woukd you want a one sided forum where everyone agrees with one persons opinions?

Rami is acting like a spoiled brat for the last 20 pages or so.

Just cause he's been here longer doesn't give him a right to act this way.

The Rami can do know wrong philosophy has gotten into his head and blown it up a bit too much.
He himself is showing his age.......LoL

Don't be mad at me Rush, I'm just saying it how I see it and others agree with me...
Everytime somthing goes wrong, it isn't because of me.....that's a cop out to what is really going on here..

Thank you and enjoy re reading this thread....you might get a few laughs out of it like I did....LMAO

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You just said what I have been saying for the last few days. Its alot of the older members that can't accept the opinions of others. If you go back and read you would see all I did was state my personal opinion on Pippen and then a bunch of people I have never even talked to started jumping on me because I agreed with SP and 97 on something.

You are setting different rules for newer posters than you do with older ones. It's your site and you can do that if you want but all I ask is that you don't pretend that it is just newer members.

I see 100 posts everyday by older members that are ten times dumber than anything I have ever said.

I can't speak about what went on before I was here. But since I have been here the only problem I saw before this was with bmr. Since he's been gone there really hasn't been any problems for weeks.

The only thread that has had heavy traffic the last few weeks until now is the question game. So it's not the newer members, its that there hasn't been much NBA news.

You can't say its the ESPN posters because to my knowledge eternityw and 97Bulls aren't even from there. The only other ESPN posters that have joined here that I know of other than me and SP are Mr.247, y2kors, and GoBlue91237 and they aren't involved in this argument and rarely even post here.

So how can it be just the ESPN posters when only 2 of the 4 people arguing on Pippens half are from ESPN? Seems pretty balanced to me.

The rules are the same for everybody.

BMR was a huge problem and it's good that he's gone. You have to acknowledge that there are some very petty tactics going on in here.

SP94 is basically hazing everybody and siding with the people who get upset every time Pippen is said to be not as good as Player B.

 

[Rush]

I know your referring to me.
The only thing I did wrong was disagree and I peacefully did this.
Sit back, relax and read the whole thread...you may enjoy it....
Then you will see that I didn't start a dam thing with noone..
Rami and Hue were the ones that lost there cool and started personally attacking people who didn't kiss there ass and agree.
I'm sorry, but this is just plain outright true.
Theproof is in this thread.

Why woukd you want a one sided forum where everyone agrees with one persons opinions?

Rami is acting like a spoiled brat for the last 20 pages or so.

Just cause he's been here longer doesn't give him a right to act this way.

The Rami can do know wrong philosophy has gotten into his head and blown it up a bit too much.
He himself is showing his age.......LoL

Don't be mad at me Rush, I'm just saying it how I see it and others agree with me...
Everytime somthing goes wrong, it isn't because of me.....that's a cop out to what is really going on here..

Thank you and enjoy re reading this thread....you might get a few laughs out of it like I did....LMAO

All I saw was you PM me telling me how this needs to be locked and the first post I read is saying "Fukk you" every other sentence....from the person telling me I should lock it.

If I see that again, you can expect a ban in the future.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

...

Do you know what you're problem is? You can't accept others opinions without flying off the handle. And I know you aren't the only one, but you should accept that people don't have to put Bulls' players on a pedestal and never say one thing less than 100% praising to be a Bulls' fan.

You have been the ring-leader of that for a while now and you should stop.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Do you know what you're problem is? You can't accept others opinions without flying off the handle. And I know you aren't the only one, but you should accept that people don't have to put Bulls' players on a pedestal and never say one thing less than 100% praising to be a Bulls' fan.

You have been the ring-leader of that for a while now and you should stop.

Take it easy.....I already tried to prevent this from getting out of hand by private messaging Rush to close it.....the arguement is beyond old and played out.

I disagree with you and you disagre with me..

I didn't start a dam thing...


Are we still cool because I have absolutely no problem with you personally and I so thank you for helping me out a month ago..

Let's leave it at that, shall we.....................COOL???????

 

[scottiepippen1994]

All I saw was you PM me telling me how this needs to be locked and the first post I read is saying "Fukk you" every other sentence....from the person telling me I should lock it.

If I see that again, you can expect a ban in the future.

I am sorry for the vulgar language, okay?

You just started reading the thread at the point 50 somthing pages in where I started cursing...
Talk about bad timing on my part....LMAO!!!

Its cool, I feel you though..

Just don't always single me out.....thanks.....and read the whole thread and you will definately feel where I'm coming from.....I garentee it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Take it easy.....I already tried to prevent this from getting out of hand by private messaging Rush to close it.....the arguement is beyond old and played out.

I disagree with you and you disagre with me..

I didn't start a dam thing...


Are we still cool because I have absolutely no problem with you personally and I so thank you for helping me out a month ago..

Let's leave it at that, shall we.....................COOL???????

Don't call me young man or any of that mess. Don't have selective listening and hear why I actually believe something- not just what I believe. And respond to that.

 

[97Bulls]

I wasn't talking about you at all.

lol

I apologize Rush. I misunderstood

 

[scottiepippen1994]

DAMMIT RAMI, Is that what this is all about?????? Because I called you young man???????????Jeeeeeeeezuz christ that's immature.....you take tht completely out of context.......I meant "young man" as a form of respect....I'm sorry you take it that way.....Don't call me names either......respect your elders youngman, oooops I mean Lil Wordy.....LoL

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

When somebody has something to say, people should read their post and respond to it in-full.