Half Full -vs- Half Empty - AKA Homerism -vs- Realism

[The Hawk]

All I know is, if you aren't going to get excited for your team and have hope, then what the **** is the point of even following the team? I mean, football is nothing more than entertainment. If you can't find the entertainment, then do yourself a favor and stop wasting your time and find something else to occupy it.

Excuse me but I don't think fans need to check their brains at the door before they follow and cheer for a team. Cub fans have been doing that crap for eons. Within every damn bad team, there is something that a fan can find enjoyment in watching but to talk shit about how great your home team is when it is lousy is just stupid.

But hey, if you want to dress up with your pom poms on, go right ahead and put those of us down who do not drink your private blend of kool-aid. I'd love to be wrong about this team. I'd love for Jay fucking Special person Cutler to suddenly become Aaron Rodgers and for Kevin White to become Brandon Marshall in ability but I do not see it happening. I hope that I am wrong and if wrong I'll say it. I've been certainly wrong before.

THe bottom line is that the Bears lost ground to their opponents in this draft and in free agency. At least to GB and the Lions. Some say Minnesota but I didn't like their draft at the top either. They(Bears) are not a good team. They are not in the same class as GB and are way behind Detroit. It is going to be a long ugly season. That is reality.

 

[The Hawk]

Typical Mongo post making fun of homers when he is the board pessimist and always whining. I think most of us have a very realistic view of the team. I don't believe we will be competing for the North this year. However, I'm very hopeful of the next few years because we have a MUCH better coaching staff and GM. I'm looking forward to see what our young players do, and am simply looking for improvement from last year.

Mongo is a pretty astute fan as far as I have seen. I don't agree with some of what he says, but that doesn't matter to me. He doesn't whine. He just says what he believes and backs it up with what he sees as facts.

The bottom line is that pragmatists should rule the fucking world. Show cause and back things up. Not the pollyanna view of every sickening optimists that want to sell you shit disguised as gold. Nor the proverbial black cloud over your head pessimists who want to rain on the parade all of the time.

 

[dabears253313]

"Homers"are fans.

People that label themselves as "realists" are people that disagree with whatever the team that they are a "fan" of does. "Realists" do that because they are afraid of being labeled as a "homer, stupid" or labeled as "someone who just says that because they are a fan."

You'll find that most "realists" don't give much insight or their own predictions.

 

[The Hawk]

Big issue with #6. Players have barely had any time with the coach, there haven't been a whole lot of culture installed or anything for the most part. TC hasn't even really started and the draft just finished. What can the players REALLY buy into at this point other than being optimistic about the coaches like the fans are? They've obviously had more interactions, but to say that Forte/Bennett not being at voluntary camp are all due to not buying into Fox is a bit of a stretch. For all we know, regardless of who the coach was, regardless of the situation, both Forte and Bennett wouldn't have been there.

And what the hell does Cutler being a coach killer have ANYTHING to do with buying into Fox by the way? That just seems like something you really wanted to slip in there regardless of the topic.

THe true elephant in the room is Cutler and that elephant won't go down. What hope that I do see with the Bears is the defense being improved by Fangio being much much better than Tucker. That is good but it won't be enough to have this team perform any better record-wise over-all because the offense won't be better. They simply won't be any better than an average offense.

The other factor is that Green Bay and Detroit are going to dominate once again. Unfortunately for the Bears, they both got better.THey suck but they got better. And the 2015 schedule for the Bears is a killer one.

 

[Bronze65]

I like how everyone can predict the future. Since you guys know for certain about how we're going to have a garbage season, could I get some lotto numbers while you're at it?

 

[onebud34]

People that label themselves as "realists" are people that disagree with whatever the team that they are a "fan" of does.

I disagree. Realists just give a less fanatical viewpoint of the team. Just because I think Cutler is average and the team needs a lot of re-tooling, doesn't make me any less of a fan that thinks Cutler is gonna throw for 4000 yards/30TD's/Ints and they're going 19-0.

 

[onebud34]

I like how everyone can predict the future. Since you guys know for certain about how we're going to have a garbage season, could I get some lotto numbers while you're at it?

I could provide you with the garbage lotto numbers

 

[The Hawk]

Mods.

Please delete my account if you believe it is a dup account to anyone on this board.

If not, please tell TOS, that he is an idiot.

Yeah, Mods. If I am a dup account, delete mine also. As for the OSU wannabee, moron would be an upgrade over his pathetic posts.

 

[The Hawk]

Answered.

Its truly amazing when you disagree with someone and they ask you a question that you answer, that they are so fucking dense that they ask the same fucking question once again. The OSU guy is really a Special person.

 

[Newblood]

Excuse me but I don't think fans need to check their brains at the door before they follow and cheer for a team. Cub fans have been doing that crap for eons. Within every damn bad team, there is something that a fan can find enjoyment in watching but to talk shit about how great your home team is when it is lousy is just stupid.

But hey, if you want to dress up with your pom poms on, go right ahead and put those of us down who do not drink your private blend of kool-aid. I'd love to be wrong about this team. I'd love for Jay fucking Special person Cutler to suddenly become Aaron Rodgers and for Kevin White to become Brandon Marshall in ability but I do not see it happening. I hope that I am wrong and if wrong I'll say it. I've been certainly wrong before.

THe bottom line is that the Bears lost ground to their opponents in this draft and in free agency. At least to GB and the Lions. Some say Minnesota but I didn't like their draft at the top either. They(Bears) are not a good team. They are not in the same class as GB and are way behind Detroit. It is going to be a long ugly season. That is reality.

Not sure how any of that had anything to do with the statement you quoted. Lets see did I:
- Mention accepting everything that is feed to you? Nope
- Mention talking shit to other fans about your team? Nope
- Mention Jay Culter and/or his play in the past, present or future? Nope
- Mention Kevin White and/or his play in the past, present or future? Nope (though I'm sure you are still salty about being wrong about the WVU SOS).
- Mention anything about who won the NFCN draft or free agency? Nope

But, cool story anyway. By all means, carry on.

 

[The Hawk]

The ownership and President have nothing to do with the picks. They had to pick a lot of the same positions because previous GMs have FAILED, not this admin. C'mon man !!!

Nope. They re-drafted with their first pick after getting rid of the best receiver that they ever had. They re-drafted a center after paying money for a new center via free agency. They re-drafted a running back while the previous bozos didn't even give us a chance to see what the running back drafted in '14 could do. They re-drafted a safety after spending money on free agent safeties..........

In the meantime, Green Bay and Detroit added impact players with their first three guys. We Re-drafted.

 

[The Hawk]

Maybe if Kevin White is really, really nice to him, Brandon can invite him to his camp and teach him to be an NFL receiver like he did with AJ? How people forget what a great player and teammate Brandon Marshall was

 

[TheDane]

Nope. They re-drafted with their first pick after getting rid of the best receiver that they ever had. They re-drafted a center after paying money for a new center via free agency. They re-drafted a running back while the previous bozos didn't even give us a chance to see what the running back drafted in '14 could do. They re-drafted a safety after spending money on free agent safeties..........

1) We only gave a 32-year old Montgomery slightly more than league minimum, and that signing means that we shouldn't draft our C of the future? Right...

2) We signed a 32-year old Antrel Rolle as a stopgap-solution, and that signing means that we shouldn't draft a safety that could potentially start in the future? Right...

3) Right? Right...

 

[dafridge72]

Nope. They re-drafted with their first pick after getting rid of the best receiver that they ever had. They re-drafted a center after paying money for a new center via free agency. They re-drafted a running back while the previous bozos didn't even give us a chance to see what the running back drafted in '14 could do. They re-drafted a safety after spending money on free agent safeties..........

In the meantime, Green Bay and Detroit added impact players with their first three guys. We Re-drafted.

I am not sure I would call GB's first 3 draft picks "Impact" players. Detroit i thought did nice filling 3 spots of Need!

 

[didshereallysaythat]

THe true elephant in the room is Cutler and that elephant won't go down. What hope that I do see with the Bears is the defense being improved by Fangio being much much better than Tucker. That is good but it won't be enough to have this team perform any better record-wise over-all because the offense won't be better. They simply won't be any better than an average offense.

The other factor is that Green Bay and Detroit are going to dominate once again. Unfortunately for the Bears, they both got better.THey suck but they got better. And the 2015 schedule for the Bears is a killer one.

There is no FACT that can be written on how one team got better in the offseason and another team did not. It is all based on opinion and perception because no games are played.

It is a good sign though when almost every single expert that does this stuff for a living said that the Bears have had a good offseason and draft. It's not proven until the games are played, ofcourse.

 

[Newblood]

1) We only gave a 32-year old Montgomery slightly more than league minimum, and that signing means that we shouldn't draft our C of the future? Right...

2) We signed a 32-year old Antrel Rolle as a stopgap-solution, and that signing means that we shouldn't draft a safety that could potentially start in the future? Right...

3) Right? Right...

QFT. The Hawk wants so bad to be right about something, so he is in full reach mode to find it. Throw everything against the wall, something will stick I guess.

 

[The Hawk]

I am not sure I would call GB's first 3 draft picks "Impact" players. Detroit i thought did nice filling 3 spots of Need!

THey drafted the best cover safety in the draft, one of the top three cover corners in the draft and a guy who will be the best returner in the conference as well as a 3rd down weapon out of the back-field or the slot. That was a damn great draft.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

1) We only gave a 32-year old Montgomery slightly more than league minimum, and that signing means that we shouldn't draft our C of the future? Right...

2) We signed a 32-year old Antrel Rolle as a stopgap-solution, and that signing means that we shouldn't draft a safety that could potentially start in the future? Right...

3) Right? Right...

It is pointless to respond to his post because

A) signing players for depth is not a reason to not draft and develop a rookie for the future
B) even if it was, we literally signed a center, guard, tackle, d-lineman, olb, ilb, corner, safety, longsnapper in the offeason. In order to not draft that position, would have left us with 6 picks of QB, kicker and punter. And QB and punter were drafted last year, so that would be in the "re-draft"
C) just because a position was drafted a prior year does not mean one can not be drafted the next year. with that logic, the Packers "re-drafted" this year by picking a FS in the 1st round when they drafted the same position last year.

I am really hoping that guy is just trolling, because if he is really that stupid, I feel bad for him.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

double post

 

[didshereallysaythat]

THey drafted the best cover safety in the draft, one of the top three cover corners in the draft and a guy who will be the best returner in the conference as well as a 3rd down weapon out of the back-field or the slot. That was a damn great draft.

I know probably 10-15 die hard Packers fans, and 90% of them did not like their draft. The main complaints are that they drafted a FS for the 2nd year in a row in the 1st round and that they are going to try and play him at nickle which he has never played before in his life. That is a gamble with a 1st round pick. They also did not like drafting a WR when they needed help at linebacker, especially with Paul Dawson there in the 3rd. They are not high on Jake Ryan at all. Finally, they do not like trading up and wasting 2 picks to get a QB that they figure will not see the field.

Every year, Packers fans are really smug about their draft picks claiming that they got steals. This year was different.