Half Full -vs- Half Empty - AKA Homerism -vs- Realism

[Baredown3rdplace]

Probably should be a period after "harder". But you are getting there! :clap:

No, your completely incorrect and would of bombed the wonderlic. Why so sensitive?

 

[Newblood]

No, your completely incorrect and would of bombed the wonderlic. Why so sensitive?

Hope you are not an English teacher :elephant:

 

[Baredown3rdplace]

Hope you are not an English teacher :elephant:

I was just interested that you were acting the part of a know it all, but were dead wrong. Doesn't really matter, continue on.

 

[Newblood]

I was just interested that you were acting the part of a know it all, but were dead wrong. Doesn't really matter, continue on.

So tell me how I was wrong. I am waiting with bated breath. Or is this just a weak ass troll job?

 

[Baredown3rdplace]

So tell me how I was wrong. I am waiting with bated breath. Or is this just a weak ass troll job?

Nobody has to be a English teacher, but people who are going to be a douche bag and insult somebody based on grammar, should at least have better than a 2nd grade level grasp of their own language. It just makes you look like an ignorant as **** douche bag, that's really all my point is. I'm not going to explain the obvious... maybe it's just best you don't misguidedly attempt to correct other peoples perceived errors anymore.

 

[Newblood]

No one has to be an English teacher. But people who are going to be a douche bag and insult somebody based on grammar, should at least have better than a 2nd grade level grasp of their own language. It just makes you look like an ignorant as **** douche bag. That's really all my point is. I'm not going to explain the obvious... maybe it's just best you don't misguidedly attempt to correct other people's perceived errors anymore.

So not going to answer. Meaning you have no fucking clue what you are talking about any multiple levels. Because if you had a fucking clue (or even read all of this thread where I mention it), you would know that he was the one that originally ripped into me about my use of grammar, in a different thread. Because you are right, calling someone out on their grammar is often times weak sauce. So if you are going to do it, you better make sure yours is on point. Because we all know it just comes back to you.

So now that I have assisted in the begining of pulling your head out of your ass, you are free to complete the process.

And I won't even get into the breakdown of my response you originally quoted, nor the sentence I was responding to.

Oh, and FTFY. For good measure. Since you brought up second grade grammar. And because, you know, I'm a douche and all.

 

[Desperado34]

We can argue ALL day about Cutler and his shitty coordinators that went on to not have a career coordinating after leaving the Bears. Or, how if the coaches were actually good, well respected coordinators, they would've found a job somewhere where another organization would agree with your thinking of 'coach killer';and hire said coach based off being a good coordinator instead of his lack of player personnel. We can argue that Martz deserved one more year(which I believe he did) instead of being a scapegoat.

We could argue that as great as Trestman's number 2 offense was two years ago, Marc has a PATTERN of regressing in his 2nd year as coordinator, and how he only made it to year three on the same team ONCE in his NFL career; but perhaps it was Jays fault and that's just the fact. He's always the culprit, correct?

John Fox is a good head coach.

He went to the SUPER BOWL with J Delhome. I think you can chill out about Jay, who is 10x more talented.

White may be a one hit wonder, but he also may be what some call a 'late bloomer'. I'm not a homer all the time, but I realize sometimes it takes a guy a few years to click

Arguing about this years draft for either side is totally moronic. We should bump threads from THREE YEARS AGO and everyone would be saying the same thing. "OMG great value n such such round! Could be STEAL of the draft!"-- Fast forwrad 3 years and the guy is still rolling through different team rosters. Point being, on both sides, there is zero logical reason to think or grade this years draft. Or last years for that matter. Hence why some fans roll their eyes at the overhyped media crap that is the Draft. Every player will be overhyped, over dissected and overtalked. Just let. it play. out.

I don't know if Pace will be a good GM, but I do know I love his legit enthusiasm and how excited he is when picking players has me 'buying in' into the Pace model. NO more(nerd) overthinking, analytical garbage of men throwing/catching a pigskin and getting tackled. Just bare to the bones football players being picked because they are fucking good in college. and I DIG that about Pace.

No homer. No realistic.

Just lettin the thing roll out.

Call me the tumblin' dice.

[video=youtube;J1EWf6O77jE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1EWf6O77jE[/video]

 

[Baredown3rdplace]

I read the thread. He once mentioned grammar some time ago. You found that 'douche-baggy', so... you thought it something good for you to imitate? Lol. Ok then.

I don't care about grammar at all(my posts have some technical, minor errors themselves), you can have all the fucked up grammar you want. I am just commenting on your hypocrisy of insulting somebody on their grammar, yet they had it right and you had it wrong. I don't really even care about that, but what I found a little funny is the irony of somebody correcting grammar, yet displaying a lack of knowledge when it comes to the most basic and simple rule of sentence structure. Anyways, I honestly don't care yet you are forcing me to spell things out for you, to the point that is in and of itself is starting to get ridiculous. Think I'm full of shit all you want, what you said speaks for itself.

 

[Newblood]

I read the thread. He once mentioned grammar some time ago. You found that 'douche-baggy', so... you thought it something good for you to imitate? Lol. Ok then.

I don't care about grammar at all(my posts have some technical, minor errors themselves), you can have all the fucked up grammar you want. I am just commenting on your hypocrisy of insulting somebody on their grammar, yet they had it right and you had it wrong. I don't really even care about that, but what I found a little funny is the irony of somebody correcting grammar, yet displaying a lack of knowledge when it comes to the most basic and simple rule of sentence structure. Anyways, I honestly don't care yet you are forcing me to spell things out for you, to the point that is in and of itself is starting to get ridiculous. Think I'm full of shit all you want, what you said speaks for itself.

Oh I know you are full of shit. The more you type, the more it is validated. Feel free to complete the process of pulling your head out your ass at your earliest convenience. Because you are sounding more and more like an insistent moron.

I find it amusing that you are attempting to call me out for retaliating to douche behavior with douche behavior, with being a douche yourself. Therefore, putting you in the exact same boat as the person you are calling out. I guess hypocrisy is easy to fall into :X

Oh, and go ahead and keep avoiding my original request. Mkay?

 

[L GUAPO]

It is right around this time of the year when optimism really takes over. It's not just with Bears fans. Every teams fans think "this could be our year". Even the realistic fans begin to think "what if".


It really doesn't surprise me that the same guys who last year were salivating all over Emery's 3rd (and maybe worst) draft are the same guys who are pitching tents in their under-roos over this one.

They also happen to be the same guys who were 100% sure our offense would take another step forward in Trestmans second year and felt our defense would be upgraded to "top 15" with Allen, Houston and Mundy.

This year, I see the same youthful homerism being spewed all over the place. But let's talk realities.

Homer view #1:
Cutler will be better this year under Gase and Fox in a ball control offense.

Realistic view:
Cutler is who he always will be. He's going to show flashes of being great and his arm is likely still one of the top 5 in the NFL. But those are just teasers. After 9 seasons, he isn't going to change. He isn't a guy who will put it all out there to win. He's not accurate, not intelligent, has trouble reaing defensive sets, and not worth the contract.

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Homer view #2:
Fox is a winner and will bring that attitude to the Bears.

Realistic view:
Fox is a ~.500 coach until he got Peyton Manning. And Peytong Manning was cool with Elway getting rid of him. He will put the team in the right path. But most realistic Bears fans know we don't have a SB winning coach.

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Homer View #3:
White = Larry Fitzgerald. Yes, there are several pundits who have made this comparison.

Realistic view:
White has had one good year being the feature receiver in a spread offense where he was asked to run 4 routes. He has never played under a pro-set playbook. And realistically, if he puts up more yards and TD's than Marshall did last year, it would almost be a miracle.

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Homer view #4:
Our defense can't be worse than last year.

Realistic view:
That's what everyone said last year. And while the run defense improved, the defense as a whole was more pathetic in many many other categories. We've added a lot of journeymen tier-2 and tier-3 D players and cast-offs on one year prove-it deals. Fangio really hasn't been given a lot to work with. He may be a great coach, but great coaches still need talent.

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Homer view #5:
This was the best draft in a long time.

Realistic view:
Ehh... Maybe in terms of media thoughts. But there are a lot of question marks as well. And we have been rated the #3 or #4 draft in the NFC north by many. We basically re-drafted our 2014 draft in terms of positions. This was a largely an offensive draft to bolster talent on an offense that was #2 in the NFL just 2 years ago. And we almost completely ignored our LB's and DB's - even though they were some of the worst in the NFL last year. Hard ot be happy about no solid OLB or ILB picks on a defense that has to have 4 LB's on the field on most downs.

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Homer view #6:
The players will fall in line with supporting Fox as a HC. Something they didn't do with Trestman.

Realistic view:
Bennett has already been outspoken about wanting out or more $. Forte is clearly not happy. Cutler is and always has been a coach killing idiot. And the Bears have been outed several times for shopping players. I don't think the players "buying in" is a slam dunk.

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Homer View #7:
Pace is going to run the ball in a control offense and slow the game down.

Realistic view:
OK - I agree. So why did we draft a WR with our #7 overall pick?

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Homer view #8:
We're going to make the playoffs this tear.

Realistic view:
We're probably winning 3 games this year on a bad year. 5-6 games on a good year. 7-8 if we over-achieve.

Homer #5 is way off. We are rated the best draft by most analysts or 2nd to the Vikes. And one can easily replace your realistic view with the word negative view. Time will tell

 

[Bearly]

The sky is falling.

Hater view vs realistic view for the OP? I hope fisch is taking notes.

 

[payton 34ever]

All I know is, if you aren't going to get excited for your team and have hope, then what the **** is the point of even following the team? I mean, football is nothing more than entertainment. If you can't find the entertainment, then do yourself a favor and stop wasting your time and find something else to occupy it.

God, this X 1,000,000. If following a team makes you so miserable and you can do nothing but complain about everything about them, stop. Agree with several others here; the opposite of optimism is not realism, it's pessimism, which is just as extreme and non-thinking as what you're attacking.

 

[Jailbreak]

Right, just like the opposite of realism is fantasy. Nobody has to teach me pessimism, lol.

 

[Jester]

Typical Mongo post making fun of homers when he is the board pessimist and always whining. I think most of us have a very realistic view of the team. I don't believe we will be competing for the North this year. However, I'm very hopeful of the next few years because we have a MUCH better coaching staff and GM. I'm looking forward to see what our young players do, and am simply looking for improvement from last year.

 

[GoBears]

I am definitely not a homer so I think, AT BEST, the Bears win two, maybe three Superbowls in a row starting this year. Four in a row is probably a stretch although if I was a Homer, I'd be saying 6 minimum based on this draft alone.

 

[theOHIOSTATE!]

I'll break it down very simply-

Homerism: We can compete for titles right now, there is no rebuilding in this league and X teams did X turnaround in X yr, so it's possible for us!

Realism: We are in a rebuild, but the league isn't where it was in 1993 when you had 3 yrs to turn a boat around. We definitely might suck this yr, but if we don't see improvement by 2016, and probably a plan at QB, Fox could feel his seat getting warm.''

Homerism: But this is a win now league.....blah blah, Fox didn't come here to lose guys.

Realism: Fox didn't come here to win big in 2015 looking at the realities of our old, talent depleted roster and Special person, bad attitude having QB. He of course wants to win, but 2015 isn't the yr he has pegged guys.

Homerism: This draft was earth movingly great!!

Realism: This draft was earth movingly great, when compared with the schlock we've been putting up with for a decade or more as one of the worst drafting franchises in the league.

Bottom line is it is a matter of time horizon; while it's homerish to think we'll see a snap turnaround, it probably isn't homerish to think we're finally on the right track organizationally and will be improving in the coming yrs. A lot will depend on solving the issue at QB.

 

[Jester]

I'll break it down very simply-

Homerism: We can compete for titles right now, there is no rebuilding in this league and X teams did X turnaround in X yr, so it's possible for us!

Realism: We are in a rebuild, but the league isn't where it was in 1993 when you had 3 yrs to turn a boat around. We definitely might suck this yr, but if we don't see improvement by 2016, and probably a plan at QB, Fox could feel his seat getting warm.''

Homerism: But this is a win now league.....blah blah, Fox didn't come here to lose guys.

Realism: Fox didn't come here to win big in 2015 looking at the realities of our old, talent depleted roster and Special person, bad attitude having QB. He of course wants to win, but 2015 isn't the yr he has pegged guys.

Homerism: This draft was earth movingly great!!

Realism: This draft was earth movingly great, when compared with the schlock we've been putting up with for a decade or more as one of the worst drafting franchises in the league.

Drafting well is a huge start to becoming a good team. If Pace gives us a few good drafts we will be right back in the mix, period. As some people say on this forum, this regime is NOT ignoring the QB position. It's Special person for people to even make that claim, due to what happened in this draft.

 

[theOHIOSTATE!]

Drafting well is a huge start to becoming a good team. If Pace gives us a few good drafts we will be right back in the mix, period. As some people say on this forum, this regime is NOT ignoring the QB position. It's Special person for people to even make that claim, due to what happened in this draft.

Were you agreeing with me or disagreeing?

I agree 100 percent with what you are saying, and like what's been done so far very much. I also don't think spazzing out and drafting QBs who are of questionable quality is really a smart way to attack the issue. I am fine with Cutler being the starter as long as they are working to have other options around in 2016 even if Cutler is still a bridge guy.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

Was he not a JC player????

Fucking learn to read.

You lost all credibility on this one. I just thought you were one of those guys that comes off as a dick, but were worth a read.
You start a thread before the draft telling everyone that thinks we draft a WR that they are wrong and havent been paying attention. We then draft a wr and you say you were still right....WTF is wrong with you?
Then you try downgrading our first round pick because he played at a JC in the past. If you think he sucks then just say it. Oh wait, then you might be wrong again. Cant have that.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

Typical Mongo post making fun of homers when he is the board pessimist and always whining. I think most of us have a very realistic view of the team. I don't believe we will be competing for the North this year. However, I'm very hopeful of the next few years because we have a MUCH better coaching staff and GM. I'm looking forward to see what our young players do, and am simply looking for improvement from last year.

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