Half Full -vs- Half Empty - AKA Homerism -vs- Realism

[Kazu2324]

THey drafted the best cover safety in the draft, one of the top three cover corners in the draft and a guy who will be the best returner in the conference as well as a 3rd down weapon out of the back-field or the slot. That was a damn great draft.

And the Bears drafted the 2nd best WR, 2nd/3rd best NT, 2nd best C... I don't really see your point.

Also, unless the guy who will be the best returner in the conference turns out to be the next Devin Hester, I don't see what's to brag about?

 

[dafridge72]

THey drafted the best cover safety in the draft, one of the top three cover corners in the draft and a guy who will be the best returner in the conference as well as a 3rd down weapon out of the back-field or the slot. That was a damn great draft.

That top 3 cover corner has like what one year of football under his belt, I will wait to see him be an "impact" player and in regards to kick returner half the kickoffs go out of the endzone so that position is not as big as it used to be as it was during our Devin Hester Era.


and if your going by that logic, we drafted the 2nd best receiver in the draft, 2nd best NT and 2nd best center. Why can't we consider our 1st 3 picks to be impact?

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Guys, amazingly of the vast amount of people that post on this site (and this is one of the busiest fan sports sites on the web), we only have 2 people who were critical of our draft. That is pretty amazing.

 

[Newblood]

Guys, amazingly of the vast amount of people that post on this site (and this is one of the busiest fan sports sites on the web), we only have 2 people who were critical of our draft. That is pretty amazing.

Now we get to sit back and wait for one of the draft picks to not live up to their draft position (odds are at least 1-2 won't) so we can hear them go on and on about how right they were about EVERYTHING!.

 

[PrideisBears]

Mods.

Please delete my account.

Well mods?

 

[Desperado34]

I figure the regression was Cutler having played a full year in the Trestman offense

Trestman has regressed as a coordinator at every stop in his NFL career going into year two. Only once has he ever made it to year three as a coordinator, and now not even as head coach.

 

[SlickWilly]

So you only watch when we win?

Where the **** do you get that out of his response???? He's clearly saying since Windy knows we're only gonna win 6 games why watch. Why the **** would you watch if you already know the outcome?

 

[Jester]

Trestman has regressed as a coordinator at every stop in his NFL career going into year two. Only once has he ever made it to year three as a coordinator, and now not even as head coach.

Yep. Isn't that an amazing stat? It's just bizarre.

 

[onebud34]

Trestman has regressed as a coordinator at every stop in his NFL career going into year two. Only once has he ever made it to year three as a coordinator, and now not even as head coach.

He didn't regress much in SF...but that's a whole other story.

#6 seems to be the common denominator in the underachievement of coordinators in Chicago since 2009

 

[ruprecht]

Guys, amazingly of the vast amount of people that post on this site (and this is one of the busiest fan sports sites on the web), we only have 2 people who were critical of our draft. That is pretty amazing.

And one of them is The Hawk. Actually he may be Mongo too. Pretty sure they are both alts regardless.

 

[pseudonym]

There's criticism and then there's pessimism. They are not the same thing.

 

[L GUAPO]

THey drafted the best cover safety in the draft, one of the top three cover corners in the draft and a guy who will be the best returner in the conference as well as a 3rd down weapon out of the back-field or the slot. That was a damn great draft.

Homer say what? GB had an avg draft at best. Just about every analyst has echoed that. GB reached on a 2nd round S in the 1st, drafted yet another S in the 2nd as a huge reach, a basketball player with 1 yr of football, and drafted a disappointing wr that got demoted and drops too many balls who is a mere KR in the 3rd.

You saying homer is just comical

 

[The Hawk]

Now we get to sit back and wait for one of the draft picks to not live up to their draft position (odds are at least 1-2 won't) so we can hear them go on and on about how right they were about EVERYTHING!.

YOu won't hear that kind of stuff from me and I doubt Mongo is built that way either. Guys like you, on the other hand, are the same kind of fellows who just loved the Emery drafts and Trestman hire until they failed and then you lied about how you knew it all of the time that they would fail.

FOr the record, I loved the Emery hire and thought that he was a good talent evaluator for the most part. Where he fucked up was in the hiring of Trestman and the rest of the coaching staff, especially Tucker). I've laid out what I think and hope actually that I am wrong about Pace. Fox is what he is, a competent head coach and should be a big improvement over Trestman who was a big failure.

And for those who think I am just negative about everything, for the record, I think that their 2nd and 3rd round picks were very good ones. I don't see the need for another running back with the 4th pick but that isn't a deal breaker.

But for all of you guys that are saying that this has been a great off season and expect this big turnaround, I say that you are dreaming. The defense will be slightly better becasue of the coaching and secondary improvement. But this is off-set by slippage in the offense. Special teams? Who knows what that brings. It couldn't get much worse than last year's.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Slippage in Offense? I'm not buying that for a penny. Last year's offense was a disjointed mess and that's being modest.

Statistics be damned. The efficiency of it all was atrocious.

I see the O improving almost by default.

Gase is an upgrade who actually scheme's against opponents rather than running scripted plays.

People are vastly understating the importance of the 3rd round pick.

An ultra intelligent/athletic center in a Zone Blocking Scheme is liken to the starter for your engine. Without it, it just doesn't work.

 

[Desperado34]

He didn't regress much in SF...but that's a whole other story.

#6 seems to be the common denominator in the underachievement of coordinators in Chicago since 2009

But yet these coordinators never find another position in the NFL at same position(Trestman technically, yes he's demoted).

Not one Hc in this league thought "hey ya know what, Oc such n such had bad player personnel.. He's a good coach. Let's bring him here to coordinate a offense for us."

Trestman is so bad he is taking over a Rams O and not coaching his own, but kubiaks playbook.

Bahahaha

 

[onebud34]

But yet these coordinators never find another position in the NFL at same position(Trestman technically, yes he's demoted).

That's not a strong defense for #6

 

[Desperado34]

Yep. Isn't that an amazing stat? It's just bizarre.

Says a lot about his inability to adjust.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

But yet these coordinators never find another position in the NFL at same position(Trestman technically, yes he's demoted).

Not one Hc in this league thought "hey ya know what, Oc such n such had bad player personnel.. He's a good coach. Let's bring him here to coordinate a offense for us."

Trestman is so bad he is taking over a Rams O and not coaching his own, but kubiaks playbook.

Bahahaha

Stop it. Your argument after trestman was fired was that he'd never work in the NFL again.

 

[Newblood]

YOu won't hear that kind of stuff from me and I doubt Mongo is built that way either. Guys like you, on the other hand, are the same kind of fellows who just loved the Emery drafts and Trestman hire until they failed and then you lied about how you knew it all of the time that they would fail.

FOr the record, I loved the Emery hire and thought that he was a good talent evaluator for the most part. Where he fucked up was in the hiring of Trestman and the rest of the coaching staff, especially Tucker). I've laid out what I think and hope actually that I am wrong about Pace. Fox is what he is, a competent head coach and should be a big improvement over Trestman who was a big failure.

And for those who think I am just negative about everything, for the record, I think that their 2nd and 3rd round picks were very good ones. I don't see the need for another running back with the 4th pick but that isn't a deal breaker.

But for all of you guys that are saying that this has been a great off season and expect this big turnaround, I say that you are dreaming. The defense will be slightly better becasue of the coaching and secondary improvement. But this is off-set by slippage in the offense. Special teams? Who knows what that brings. It couldn't get much worse than last year's.

Oh yeah, that's me! Go ahead and find ANY statement from me where I said I loved a player/coach/staff/draft pick and then later lied about my initial assessment.

There are one of two outcomes that will come out of it:
1. either you will find it, and I will admit you are right and am one of those guys.
2. Will won't find it. After-which, you will firmly place your lips on my ass. And you will take your unsubstantiated claims and stick them up your ass.

I will be lotioning my ass-cheeks while I wait.

Look forward to your findings.

And how many people on here said to "expect this big turnaround" this year? I'm willing to bet they are in the vast minority. But if you want to build up straw men to buoy your claims, continue on making a fool of yourself.

 

[theOHIOSTATE!]

YOu won't hear that kind of stuff from me and I doubt Mongo is built that way either. Guys like you, on the other hand, are the same kind of fellows who just loved the Emery drafts and Trestman hire until they failed and then you lied about how you knew it all of the time that they would fail.

FOr the record, I loved the Emery hire and thought that he was a good talent evaluator for the most part. Where he fucked up was in the hiring of Trestman and the rest of the coaching staff, especially Tucker). I've laid out what I think and hope actually that I am wrong about Pace. Fox is what he is, a competent head coach and should be a big improvement over Trestman who was a big failure.

And for those who think I am just negative about everything, for the record, I think that their 2nd and 3rd round picks were very good ones. I don't see the need for another running back with the 4th pick but that isn't a deal breaker.

But for all of you guys that are saying that this has been a great off season and expect this big turnaround, I say that you are dreaming. The defense will be slightly better becasue of the coaching and secondary improvement. But this is off-set by slippage in the offense. Special teams? Who knows what that brings. It couldn't get much worse than last year's.

We don't think you're overly negative; we think you are ignorant about football matters in general and just plain slow.