Hawks NHL Record 24 Straight Games with a Point to Start the Season

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Just as the loss of Campbell hurt them.



I'd still rather have Campbell than Oduya, for only 3 mil more.



That's a good debate. I like Soupy...thought he brought a lot to the team/could skate like the wind. I like what Johnny brings to the team as well. Maybe not as good offensively...but I think he brings much of the same qualities to the Hawks, that Campbell did. I think Oduya thrives in this system...where if he was still in Atlantapeg or even if he was in FLA - he wouldn't be as effective.



I think I'd rather have Oduya here at the 3.75 less than what Campbell was getting here.
 

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Just as the loss of Campbell hurt them.



I'd still rather have Campbell than Oduya, for only 3 mil more.



RK, you make a valid point but the problem for the Hawks was; Campbell's contract doesn't end unit 2016 which was going to creates problems for summers of 2015 & 2016 so it was take an offer then or gamble down road and hope they could unload him.
 

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Just as the loss of Campbell hurt them.



I'd still rather have Campbell than Oduya, for only 3 mil more.



Maybe so.



On the other hand, you do not hear anything about salary cap this season either......................
 

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Just the financial standpoint as well (not that anyone ever cares/thinks of the organization)...but they'll save 11.27mil over the next 3yrs between the 2 contracts. That'll soften the blow with some of the possible buyouts



Also...Oduya is set to make 4mil, 3.3, then 2.85mil...so even though his cap hit the last year is 3.38..his actual salary is 500K less..some cash strapped teams like that (if they try to trade him)



I think Montador is set up the same...to make 2.3 next year...then 1.8mil the last year...while having a 2.75 cap hit
 

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At this point, I would take Oduya for half the price.



If we had Campbell, we would have to let Stalberg and Bickell go this summer, and trade someone to make room for Kruger and Leddy. Without him and his contract, we can probably keep Kruger and Leddy without making any moves, and keep one of Stalberg/Bickell unless they unload Olesz and/or Montador and in that case we can keep both.



We have a good situation leading up to 2015-2016, where Toews' and Kane's contracts expire and we only have 4 players under contract that will take up nearly 35% of the cap space. That would have been Campbell's final year under contract, which would have bumped it up to 5 players and 45% of the cap space taken (just quick estimating, not exact numbers)... And you sure as hell know that Toews and Kane are going to be looking for a nice little pay day, we can't afford to use around 60% of the cap on 7 players and expect to ice a full roster. 2014-2015 would be very tight too, where 9 players make up 65% of the cap and that's without Campbell... with him we would be spending roughly 75% of the cap on 10 players.



Of course, the cap will probably go up, but with that contracts that will be signed between now and then will inflate as well, so using percentages is probably the best way of looking at it.



I'll take that extra $3-4 million cushion that Oduya brings in return for Campbell's offense... which he really never had a chance of fulfilling his potential to begin with in Chicago on the 2nd pairing. Defensively, I would venture to say he is even better than Campbell which makes him more useful to the Hawks for that price... IE: blocks shots, better on the PK, etc.. etc..
 

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I like Oduya and what he brings, but I don't think he's *the* hingepin on the difference between this year and last.
 

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Maybe so.



On the other hand, you do not hear anything about salary cap this season either......................



No because right now they are currently about 6 mil under it. Next year they would be right at the Cap, or a little over it.



The new CBA and Cap will come into effect next year when it goes from the 70mil it is right now, to the 64mil next year.



PMX I don't know. For the extra 3.5 they aren't spending anyway but valid point. It all comes down to next year and the point brought up he's under contract 3 more seasons is also very valid.



I don't mind Oduya at all.
 

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I forgot, are they rolling the contracts back at all, or at least the cap percentage of the? Or is everyone still getting the full contract and cap hit even with the cap going down 6 mil? That leaves quite the pool of money missing for the players who are getting new deals next year...



6*30=180 mil less to spend on players that's almost 3 whole teams worth of money. (64*3=192 mil)
 

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I think it's full contract. Could be wrong though. Thus the two buy outs.
 

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There is no roll back at all. Contracts will be full value both in real dollars and cap dollars.
 

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It's getting a bit ridiculous. The Hawks haven't really "clicked" offensively as well as they could lately, yet they keep on winning. I'll take it. Keep on truckin' indeed.
 

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stop fucking trolling. they are one of the top offenses in the league.
 

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With this team defense I could care less if the Hawks are the leagues top offensive team. I think because there hasn't been many score board blow outs that it doesn't appear like the Hawks are an offensive giant. But they actually are. More important no one is scoring against us. The most goals scored on us so far in a game has been what 4? And that was game two of the season. Thats pretty damn impressive.
 

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stop fucking trolling. they are one of the top offenses in the league.



I am not trolling, a part from tonight the big guns haven't done that much lately. Kane has been pretty quiet lately. It's a testament to the even scoring from top to bottom this team has. Not to mention the ridiculous team defense they are displaying.
 

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I am not trolling, a part from tonight the big guns haven't done that much lately. Kane has been pretty quiet lately. It's a testament to the even scoring from top to bottom this team has. Not to mention the ridiculous team defense they are displaying.



He's an arrogant asshole.



BUT!! He's a correct arrogant asshole.



Where did Kane go?
 

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I am not trolling, a part from tonight the big guns haven't done that much lately. Kane has been pretty quiet lately. It's a testament to the even scoring from top to bottom this team has. Not to mention the ridiculous team defense they are displaying.



No teams stars score every night, that is what depth is for.
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Kane only has 1g-2a-3pts in the last 6gms with only 18 shots



Stan may have missed his window to trade him
 

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Stars "not" showing up..

vs STL - Toews 2g - Hossa 2a

vs EDM - Kane ppg, Hossa gwg, Sharp gwa

vs CLB - 1-0 win...no stars show up...egads!! (although Oduya had an assist and extended his record w/Hawks)

vs SJ - Kane assist, Keith assist on the 2g scored

vs VAN - Hossa 2g, Sharp g, Kane a

vs LA - Seabrook 1g/1a, Toews 1g/1a, Sharp g

vs SJ - Kane a, Keith 2a, Seabrook a



So there's the last 2 weeks/7 games...and the "stars" showed up on the scoresheet every game - except a 1-0 win. I think that debunks that.
 

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