Here's a fun one sure to stir the pot: Tattoos. Like them or no?

[Pez68]

I guess it just amazes me that people that think in this manner, are still prevalent in society. My parents are in their fifties, and don't share any of those beliefs. I figured thinking like that was a relic of a bygone era in this country. Appears not.

 

[winos5]

I guess I stand corrected.



Prison tatts, hateful/racist/offensive tatts, and ball point pen ink tatts being bad decisions shows how obviously Special person or discriminatory I must be. And if your physician asks you questions about other risky behavior if you have a tatt or piercing they are obviously profiling you for discriminatory racist reasons. Those mofos are wearing white gowns/jackets and caps sometimes ya know.

 

[Pez68]

Studies have shown that women with body modifications such as piercings and tattoos are more sexually active, and make more questionable decisions in life.



People who have multiple tatoos that are clearly displayed outside of the clothing, such as the face, neck, hands, legs are just showing me that they make poor decisions in life and don't look into the future for possible consequences.

How are we misunderstanding what he's saying? His opinions of people with multiple tattoos is pretty evident. lol

 

[winos5]

I'd ask you all to read my first post in this thread by the way. I have 2 piercings and have considered a tatt. To deny they aren't associated with health risks is just ignorant.

 

[winos5]

More circular arguments calling me a racist bigot coming no doubt.

 

[Pez68]

I guess I stand corrected.



Prison tatts, hateful/racist/offensive tatts, and ball point pen ink tatts being bad decisions shows how obviously Special person or discriminatory I must be. And if your physician asks you questions about other risky behavior if you have a tatt or piercing they are obviously profiling you for discriminatory racist reasons. Those mofos are wearing white gowns/jackets and caps sometimes ya know.

Except, all tattoos aren't prison tats, gang tats, hateful tats, offensive tats, or ball point pen tats.... So how can you generalize "people with tattoos" by lumping them in with those people? Tats are an expression of the person getting them. Tasteful tattoos, or artful tattoos, or tattoos about lost loved ones, or friends that died in war with you, tell you what?

I'd ask you all to read my first post in this thread by the way. I have 2 piercings and have considered a tatt. To deny they aren't associated with health risks is just ignorant.

Except, that's not the argument at all? Why are we talking about health risks now, when that had nothing to do with the original statement? Who is denying that tattoos aren't associated with health risks?

 

[winos5]

I'm not. The scientific peer reviewed medical studies are.



They just advocate asking about other habits and providing counselling when appropriate.

 

[klemmer]

. However, I understand most big business and the reasoning that tattoos can become a distraction in a normal business setting.

I don't think that's the primary reason behind business' concerns and banning of visible tats.



They don't want to get sued for telling some Nebraska farmboy that his "I love ewe" tat is offensive - it's just easier to ban them all.

 

[the canadian dream]

Another example of poor decison making from personal expierence; An uncontrolled/poorly controlled diabetic with circulation problems and a history of recurrent boils (already had toes amputated) who got a piercing. Lied to the "artist" about their health to get it. Ended up in the ICU with sepsis, and was lucky to survive it. Did I mention your tax dollars are paying for the medicaid/medicare that paid those healthcare bills?

Did you really play the "tax payers" card with this very very very very rare scenerio?



Come on Wino.



Yes tattoos come with health risks. A certified tattoo artist goes over these risks with the customer. Most tattoo parlors are now mandated to have a consultation meeting with the client before they can work on them. During this consultation the health risks are discussed as is the tattoo itself to make sure it is something the client really has thought about. The scenerio you mentioned happens about 1 in a hundred thousand times. It's moot.



Tattoos are not eating up tax payer dollars via the negative health impact. Too bring up the "tax payer" dollars argument in this case is a huge over-reaction and completely a stretch. There are more negative health effects associated with a persons diet that eat up way more tax payers dollars. Let's get our priorities straight and attack things that really eat up tax payers dollars if we want to use that argument.

 

[dlrob315]

Did you really play the "tax payers" card with this very very very very rare scenerio?



Come on Wino.



Yes tattoos come with health risks. A certified tattoo artist goes over these risks with the customer. Most tattoo parlors are now mandated to have a consultation meeting with the client before they can work on them. During this consultation the health risks are discussed as is the tattoo itself to make sure it is something the client really has thought about. The scenerio you mentioned happens about 1 in a hundred thousand times. It's moot.



Tattoos are not eating up tax payer dollars via the negative health impact. Too bring up the "tax payer" dollars argument in this case is a huge over-reaction and completely a stretch.

What did you expect....politics and faith/religion must enter every NHTA thread!

 

[MassHavoc]

Did you really play the "tax payers" card with this very very very very rare scenerio?



Come on Wino.



Yes tattoos come with health risks. A certified tattoo artist goes over these risks with the customer. Most tattoo parlors are now mandated to have a consultation meeting with the client before they can work on them. During this consultation the health risks are discussed as is the tattoo itself to make sure it is something the client really has thought about. The scenerio you mentioned happens about 1 in a hundred thousand times. It's moot.



Tattoos are not eating up tax payer dollars via the negative health impact. Too bring up the "tax payer" dollars argument in this case is a huge over-reaction and completely a stretch.

the exact decision itself may be rare but poor decision making leading to such circumstances is not.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

How are we misunderstanding what he's saying? His opinions of people with multiple tattoos is pretty evident. lol

Some of you guys crack my ass right up the middle. I usually try pretty hard not to use the words ALWAYS or NEVER or EVERYONE when referring to things like these studies. These are generalities. If some of you don't like generalities or stereotypes that's tough shit because they aren't going anywhere. Just because I show that someone has a certain proclivity doesn't mean that everyone in that particular group is the same way or acts the same way.



As far as multiple, uncovered tattoos on the face, neck, hands and other taboo areas: you tell me where they are going to work outside of construction, lawn maintenance, tattoo parlor, rock band, etc. I don't make the fucking rules, I just report what I see. You have a problem with it, talk to the people doing the hiring (or not hiring in this case).

 

[the canadian dream]

the exact decision itself may be rare but poor decision making leading to such circumstances is not.

It is within the tattoo realm. There are no significant stats that show that getting a tattoo these days has any significant adverse effects on ones health. The rare illness can happen but that can be said about nearly anything these days Tax payers don't pay for those who want a tattoo removed. Getting a tattoo you regret is far more frequent than anyone these days becoming ill from said tattoo. That is very very rare happening these days. This isn't the days of using dirty needles anymore by the majority of tattoo artists whom are responsible professionals and take their jobs/careers very seriously. I know 3 tattoo artists and each and everyone one of them conduct their business very professionally and very seriously. They won't work on someone who is drunk (including friends) and they ALWAYS make sure a proper consultation is done.



Again there are more health concerns through bad choices with the way we decide to eat than what we decide to mark our bodies with. Let's put attention to places where attention should be placed. If one doesn't like tattoos that is fine but the means people try to justify their dislike of tattoos can become some silly and riddled with political propaganda sometimes. Case in point bringing up the idea that tax payers are carrying the load of bad tattoo decisions. Just don't buy it.

 

[the canadian dream]

Some of you guys crack my ass right up the middle. I usually try pretty hard not to use the words ALWAYS or NEVER or EVERYONE when referring to things like these studies. These are generalities. If some of you don't like generalities or stereotypes that's tough shit because they aren't going anywhere. Just because I show that someone has a certain proclivity doesn't mean that everyone in that particular group is the same way or acts the same way.



As far as multiple, uncovered tattoos on the face, neck, hands and other taboo areas: you tell me where they are going to work outside of construction, lawn maintenance, tattoo parlor, rock band, etc. I don't make the fucking rules, I just report what I see. You have a problem with it, talk to the people doing the hiring (or not hiring in this case).

Well I don't think those who decide to get tattoos on their necks and faces are really the type of people who want office jobs to begin with. I don't think they care if those hiring at Blart and Sons Corporate Law are rejecting them after the job interview they probably never ment to go to in the first place.



There are a shit load of professions out there where one who has a tattoo on their neck or face really doesn't effect their productivity or the respectability of their bosses or clients. I am not talking about manual rock band professions either. Again I know a lot of people with tattoos and tattoo artists. Some with some pretty bold and present tattoos have done very well for themselves in areas such as television production, banking and even in the medical fields.



I think the stigma around tattoos is changing. Slowly, but it is changing. And lets be honest here the number of people who really want to tattoo their faces and their necks is pretty low and the grand scale of tattooing. I can go outside right now and 1 in every 50 people who pass me will have a tattoo of some sort or a piercing. 1 in maybe 50,000 people will have a face tattoo or some neck tattoo. I think the majority of people are aware of what job limitations may lay ahead when getting a tattoo or where they actually want to be in the job market.



If that is what one is worried about.

 

[stu]

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[the canadian dream]

I know you are kidding but come on man.



All branches of my german ancestry left long before the Nazi party began. I have done plenty to educate myself on that party and the atrocities they committed. I would never idolize them or associate myself with them. Now, if you ask me if I would have minded Germany (sans the Nazi mentallity and genocidal activities) taking over the world I would have to say that I wish it had happened. But alas, the Nazis were defeated, thankfully.

Germans are great people. Smart, hard working, organized, and they have great food and beer!

Finding the right tattoo to honor that is not so easy to do.

The Nazis ruined a few things for everyone...two of the lesser known ones being the following



1) A great moustache style



2) The Swastika which is a symbol of good luck in origin. There was a female hockey team once called the Ferny Swastikas and they had a giant Swastika on the front of their jerseys. Bad idea thanks to the Nazis.



Germans are actually the friendliest good willed people I come across at my work place (hotel industry). I have been hard pressed to find a German I haven't liked. Highly educated and very respectful peoples who I do believe carry a lot of guilt which humbles them and humanizes them.



Anyways someone mentioned somewhere in this thread that they also see tattoos as something people get to draw attention to themselves. If there weren't a more harmless way to draw attention to oneself. EVERYONE tries to draw attention to themselves in some form or another..no one ever wants to admit it though. Some do so through harmful means others go subtle roads to do so and some go more flashy roads. There isn't anything wrong with drawing attention to yourself..it's how you do it is the issue. Tattoos are a harmless way of doing so (I guess gang tattoos are a different story in a sense).



There has been a lot of talk also about how people get tattoos for spiritual reasons or a way to connect to a feeling or emotion. Very true. Can someone explain to me what those who grow a beard and moustache are trying to do with it? Is that not someone trying to relate too and feel more masculine? For aesthetic reasons? Religious and spiritual? To draw attention to their masculinity? Too show their social class? Too celebrate a connection to a past heritage? It's the same thing. Only difference is tattoos can't be taken off easily, hurt more, and can't tickle the happy spots. I am going to get shit for this but I find that moustaches look ridiculous on a lot of people who have them more so than a bad tattoo on someone.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

Well I don't think those who decide to get tattoos on their necks and faces are really the type of people who want office jobs to begin with. I don't think they care if those hiring at Blart and Sons Corporate Law are rejecting them after the job interview they probably never ment to go to in the first place.



There are a shit load of professions out there where one who has a tattoo on their neck or face really doesn't effect their productivity or the respectability of their bosses or clients. I am not talking about manual rock band professions either. Again I know a lot of people with tattoos and tattoo artists. Some with some pretty bold and present tattoos have done very well for themselves in areas such as television production, banking and even in the medical fields.



I think the stigma around tattoos is changing. Slowly, but it is changing. And lets be honest here the number of people who really want to tattoo their faces and their necks is pretty low and the grand scale of tattooing. I can go outside right now and 1 in every 50 people who pass me will have a tattoo of some sort or a piercing. 1 in maybe 50,000 people will have a face tattoo or some neck tattoo. I think the majority of people are aware of what job limitations may lay ahead when getting a tattoo or where they actually want to be in the job market.



If that is what one is worried about.

I don't disagree with you. Take my company for example: we are a marketing agency and we hire folks with visible tattoos, piercings, different hair styles/colors all the time. Many of them are actually upper level managers. I was just giving the typical short list. In 2006 a study showed that 40% of Americans between the ages of 26-40 have at least one tattoo. That number has probably grown since that study. My question: Why hasn't the acceptance grown with the percentage? If half of Americans (in that demo) have them, why aren't they more widely accepted?

 

[winos5]

Did you really play the "tax payers" card with this very very very very rare scenerio?



Come on Wino.



Yes tattoos come with health risks. A certified tattoo artist goes over these risks with the customer. Most tattoo parlors are now mandated to have a consultation meeting with the client before they can work on them. During this consultation the health risks are discussed as is the tattoo itself to make sure it is something the client really has thought about. The scenerio you mentioned happens about 1 in a hundred thousand times. It's moot.



Tattoos are not eating up tax payer dollars via the negative health impact. Too bring up the "tax payer" dollars argument in this case is a huge over-reaction and completely a stretch. There are more negative health effects associated with a persons diet that eat up way more tax payers dollars. Let's get our priorities straight and attack things that really eat up tax payers dollars if we want to use that argument.

It's a personal anecdote, an example of poor decision making by an adult seeking a cosmetic body modification, nothing more. It's a true story, believe it if you want. Just like at face value I believe BHP has a friend who allowed their responsible teenage straight A student to get a tattoo.



I'll agree the tax bit was gratuitous on my part, but sadly it is also very true.

 

[winos5]

What did you expect....politics and faith/religion must enter every NHTA thread!

Religion? Really? Or are you just fishing?

 

[bubbleheadchief]

I know you are kidding but come on man.



All branches of my german ancestry left long before the Nazi party began. I have done plenty to educate myself on that party and the atrocities they committed. I would never idolize them or associate myself with them. Now, if you ask me if I would have minded Germany (sans the Nazi mentallity and genocidal activities) taking over the world I would have to say that I wish it had happened. But alas, the Nazis were defeated, thankfully.

Germans are great people. Smart, hard working, organized, and they have great food and beer!

Finding the right tattoo to honor that is not so easy to do.

Completely in jest, no offense intended at all......I want to honor both my Polish and Irish ancestry, but not forget that I am an American through and through. I have considered getting the White Eagle crest on one calf and either a Celtic Cross or Irish Harp on the other with an American Flag behind them.