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[ZDemp34]

This guy should be fun

 

[Rice Cube]

I will respond to the opening post when i get back from my day out. In the meantime, welcome to the new guy, and everyone be nice

 

[mountsalami]

You have a problem with Wood, Maholm, Vizcaino, and Soler???

I have a problem with the current regime not doing BOTH, building a strong farm system AND placing a competitive ML team on the field when there's ample resources to do so.

We currently have the worst starting pitching staff in the majors and this team has grown to the point of unwatchable.
Far from flattering being the third highest revenue team in baseball and charging some of the highest ticket prices.
I don't have a problem with the said players, other than Manhole'm isn't here anymore, not part of the rebuilding process, Terd Wood sucks, Vizcaino's arm is blown up and hasn't proven much at the ML level, Soler has done nothing.

There was excitement about Germhole Contraception when he was signed. Now he's a millionaire that will possibly never make it to Triple A ball.

 

[Jntg4]

I have a problem with the current regime not doing BOTH, building a strong farm system AND placing a competitive ML team on the field when there's ample resources to do so.

We currently have the worst starting pitching staff in the majors and this team has grown to the point of unwatchable.
Far from flattering being the third highest revenue team in baseball and charging some of the highest ticket prices.
I don't have a problem with the said players, other than Manhole'm isn't here anymore, not part of the rebuilding process, Terd Wood sucks, Vizcaino's arm is blown up and hasn't proven much at the ML level, Soler has done nothing.

There was excitement about Germhole Contraception when he was signed. Now he's a millionaire that will possibly never make it to Triple A ball.

Soler has put up monster numbers in Mesa and Peoria... what is he supposed to do? Force Epstein to put him in the MLB years before he's ready so you can see it on TV?

Vizcaino has Tommy John Surgery, but a full recovery is expected, we lack pitching talent, and we got him for just Maholm and Wood. Very good deal.

And no, nobody could turn the 2011 Cubs into a winner in 2012... not enough talent to begin with.

Epstein has gotten us Rizzo, Soler, Almora, and Vizcaino, pretty good for a rebuilding team if you ask me.

 

[whitesoxman77]

I have a problem with the current regime not doing BOTH, building a strong farm system AND placing a competitive ML team on the field when there's ample resources to do so.

We currently have the worst starting pitching staff in the majors and this team has grown to the point of unwatchable.
Far from flattering being the third highest revenue team in baseball and charging some of the highest ticket prices.
I don't have a problem with the said players, other than Manhole'm isn't here anymore, not part of the rebuilding process, Terd Wood sucks, Vizcaino's arm is blown up and hasn't proven much at the ML level, Soler has done nothing.

There was excitement about Germhole Contraception when he was signed. Now he's a millionaire that will possibly never make it to Triple A ball.

wait... you're saying the team wasn't unwatchable for the 100+ years, before this year, when you haven't won a World Series? :thinking:

Soler has done nothing because he is developing, you can't expect every prospect from Cuba to be Yoenis Cespedes especially when everyone knew beforehand the Soler wasn't as polished.

I don't follow Concepcion so I dont care.

Wood eats innings and rests your BP arms that you'll need for years down the stretch. (per Dabs, who is prolly gonna rip you a new one btw)

And Maholm was doing pretty damn good for you guys down the stretch and is obviously good enough for a playoff contender like Atlanta to want to carry them to a division title.

You have the pieces in place: Baez, Rizzo, Castro, Vitters, Jackson, Shark, Barney, you just have to give them time to develop, and for the bitching about tickets prices why dont you try stubhub, go to a non rivalry game and tickets are like $5 for upper deck, http://www.stubhub.com/search/doSearch?searchStr=Chicago+Cubs&pageNumber=1&resultsPerPage=50&searchMode=event&start=0&rows=50&geo_exp=1, yea tickets aren't bad at all

 

[nwfisch]

Haha maybe it's Fisch's uncle?

My uncles aren't Chief fans

 

[mountsalami]

Soler has put up monster numbers in Mesa and Peoria... what is he supposed to do? Force Epstein to put him in the MLB years before he's ready so you can see it on TV?

Vizcaino has Tommy John Surgery, but a full recovery is expected, we lack pitching talent, and we got him for just Maholm and Wood. Very good deal.

And no, nobody could turn the 2011 Cubs into a winner in 2012... not enough talent to begin with.

Epstein has gotten us Rizzo, Soler, Almora, and Vizcaino, pretty good for a rebuilding team if you ask me.

This offseason season we should look at signing at least two of the three players to round out the outfield. Swisher, BJ Upton, or Justin Upton.
Still leaving a giant hole at third base.
I don't want to see any more "filler" that were signed this season just to field a team.
For pitching I would like to see the Cubs get after Haren, Marcum, and McCarthy.
I believe if Vizcaino fully recovers he may make a decent setup/closer.
Aquiring some tangilble players for the ML team instead of other teams garbage and "filler" will not hinder the "farm system rebuild" nor block any players from joining.

I am more impresed with Volgelbach than Soler right now. I can only asume Soler will be moved along quicker because of the position he plays and the money invested. We can all conservatively agree that Soler could be 2-3 years out ?

 

[ZDemp34]

This offseason season we should look at signing at least two of the three players to round out the outfield. Swisher, BJ Upton, or Justin Upton.
Still leaving a giant hole at third base.
I don't want to see any more "filler" that were signed this season just to field a team.
For pitching I would like to see the Cubs get after Haren, Marcum, and McCarthy.
I believe if Vizcaino fully recovers he may make a decent setup/closer.
Aquiring some tangilble players for the ML team instead of other teams garbage and "filler" will not hinder the "farm system rebuild" nor block any players from joining.

I am more impresed with Volgelbach than Soler right now. I can only asume Soler will be moved along quicker because of the position he plays and the money invested. We can all conservatively agree that Soler could be 2-3 years out ?

They're all gonna cost a fortune, and there will be nowhere to move them once the young guys are ready, so it'll look like the 2010 team all over again. Soooo yes it will hinder the rebuild.

 

[waldo7239117]

I'm way more interested in Soler over Vogelbach... not even close.

Vogelbach has no spot on the team and he's a DH.

What's with Maholm? He's been one of the best pitchers after the 1st month.

 

[Rice Cube]

If they were going to spend on free agents they would've been more likely to keep Dempster and Maholm around. I doubt they'll spend on much more than Maholm/DeJesus types to try to flip them midseason for some good prospects. The Cubs system is in pretty bad shape and throwing money at free agents is only a band-aid solution when you need to sew an appendage back on.

 

[ZDemp34]

If the NL doesn't implement the DH soon, Vogelbach could be a good trade prospect a few years down the road

 

[mountsalami]

They're all gonna cost a fortune, and there will be nowhere to move them once the young guys are ready, and it'll look like the 2010 team all over again. Soooo yes it will hinder the rebuild.

What about signing only Justin Upton and Brandon McCarthy if they are availble.
How does that hinder the "youth movement"/ "rebuild" ?
The Cubs regenerate the third largest revenue in all of baseball, behind the Yankees and the Red Sox.
They can afford to do what the Pads, Royals, Pirates can't do.
Are you suggesting that we wait until a few years to sign any impact free agents until the farm produces an entire team of WS champs all at the same time ?
I do not believe any team has done this.

 

[ZDemp34]

What about signing only Justin Upton and Brandon McCarthy if they are availble.
How does that hinder the "youth movement"/ "rebuild" ?
The Cubs regenerate the third largest revenue in all of baseball, behind the Yankees and the Red Sox.
They can afford to do what the Pads, Royals, Pirates can't do.
Are you suggesting that we wait until a few years to sign any impact free agents until the farm produces an entire team of WS champs all at the same time ?
I do not believe any team has done this.

What I'm saying is that right now, impact free agents still won't make them good enough to win the WS, pretty much wasting money. You don't have to develop a whole team of future superstars, but you can't also have a team full of scrubs like they have now and expect that free agents will turn them around.

 

[Jntg4]

This offseason season we should look at signing at least two of the three players to round out the outfield. Swisher, BJ Upton, or Justin Upton.
Still leaving a giant hole at third base.
I don't want to see any more "filler" that were signed this season just to field a team.
For pitching I would like to see the Cubs get after Haren, Marcum, and McCarthy.
I believe if Vizcaino fully recovers he may make a decent setup/closer.
Aquiring some tangilble players for the ML team instead of other teams garbage and "filler" will not hinder the "farm system rebuild" nor block any players from joining.

I am more impresed with Volgelbach than Soler right now. I can only asume Soler will be moved along quicker because of the position he plays and the money invested. We can all conservatively agree that Soler could be 2-3 years out ?

:lmao:

 

[Rice Cube]

I think Soler has to be in the big leagues within a couple years because otherwise he'll be exposed to Rule 5. That's probably the only issue, otherwise they'd just take a wait-and-see approach.

 

[mountsalami]

What I'm saying is that right now, impact free agents still won't make them good enough to win the WS, pretty much wasting money. You don't have to develop a whole team of future superstars, but you can't also have a team full of scrubs like they have now and expect that free agents will turn them around.

When do you start adding free agents?
J. Upton and McCarthy are still young.
Do we wait 8-10 yrs ?

 

[whitesoxman77]

When do you start adding free agents?
J. Upton and McCarthy are still young.
Do we wait 8-10 yrs ?

2015 is the Cubs year bro.

 

[Rice Cube]

When do you start adding free agents?
J. Upton and McCarthy are still young.
Do we wait 8-10 yrs ?

Upton isn't a free agent until after the 2015 season due to his current extension.

McCarthy will become a free agent, but it's likely that the A's will think about locking him up.

It's fun to think about free agents, but a lot of the guys on the 2013 list aren't that good. The only one I'm interested in is Zack Greinke and I doubt the Cubs have a legitimate shot at him because the Angels will probably try to extend him prior to other teams getting a chance to talk with him. The lack of impact free agents is why the Cubs are looking at reinforcing the product in-house before looking elsewhere for help.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

We have an introduction thread.

 

[dabynsky]

Wow there was a lot in this thread, but it is the pretty typical position of wanting to buy your way into being competitive. If you want to see how well that plan usually works you just need to look at what the Marlins did this offseason, and I think we can all agree that they had more talent before their spending spree than the Cubs did.