Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion (2 Game Suspension)

[Pez68]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion

This was just a result of stupidity all around. Pominville for not protecting himself, and Hammer for not realizing how vulnerable his target was. This type of play happens a ton in hockey, but usually the winger will turn towards the incoming hit, or the defenseman will hold up. Neither happened this time, and you see the result.

 

[Buryit Toews]

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[quote name="Pez68"]This was just a result of stupidity all around. Pominville for not protecting himself, and Hammer for not realizing how vulnerable his target was. This type of play happens a ton in hockey, but usually the winger will turn towards the incoming hit, or the defenseman will hold up. Neither happened this time, and you see the result.[/quote]



Pominville is a grade A moron on this one. Hammer definitely didn't err on the side of caution here but when you are skating towards a player, the puck is going to him, and he looks up and sees you coming, your job is to separate him from the puck. Hammer did so early I guess, I still saw the puck hit Hammer's stick, but whatever, he will get 1 -2 games at the most because it's early in the season and they want to set the tone.



As far as "feeling sorry" for Hammer playing against Buffalo? Really? Before Hammer's hit the Sabres tried taking runs at a few guys after a hit from Dowell (I think) and they all ended up on the ice, that ended that rather quickly. The Hawks were the more physical team last night, far and away. I think we need to quit acting like this is the worst hit of all time here, the only reason Pominville got hurt was because HE turned his back and his head slammed against the glass, there was no head hit or intent. One could argue that the hit Keith put on Cooke last year in Pittsburgh was way worse because it was a blind side head shot without the puck, and realitory. Both players could have done a better job here but calling Hammer an idiot for doing so is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion

Bottom line, boarding by rule is when a player checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. Which is what Hammer did, and which unfortunately resulted in an injury.



Boarding has nothing to do with hitting a player from behind, whether the player has the puck, how far one skates, etc., it is quite simply a violent hit into the boards. And at the refs discretion.



Boarding used to be called more often 15-20 years ago, but kind of fell off the map in the early 2000's. The off-season chatter about hits and specifically Campbell's hit from Ovie, I suspect, has brought focus to calling this penalty more often.





http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26329

[quote name="NHL Rules"]

Rule 41 - Boarding



41.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.



There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule.[/quote]

 

[supraman]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion

I think it was a bad hit and Hammer deserves a game or 2 suspension. It looked like he was trying to time hitting pommenville as he received the puck but pommenville never received the puck so right there is a penalty, then it was a boarding on top of that, and he left on a stretcher. Yeah hammer I like him a lot but he earned a 1 or 2 game vacation.

 

[Sathington Willoby]

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I'd be shocked if Hammer got more than a one game suspension. He has no history of malicious play. And honestly, the hit was borderline too early. He hit him at the same time as he(Hammer) touched the puck. I don't understand why Pomminville looked over, saw Hammer coming, and didn't move. The smart play would have been to skate towards the oncoming puck and play it, avoiding the hit altogether.

 

[tvltre]

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Again, it is going to depend on the new rule of blindsided hit "even though Jason saw him coming" and not Hammer's history.



The rule is new this year and we will see exactly how quick they want to enforce the rule.



Was hammer at fault, yes, he hit to early. Was Jason at fault, yes...he purposely turned away from the hit.



Either way, suspension is coming...how long is the question.



What Hammer has going for him is that he didn't go for the head, it was a shoulder to shoulder/back hit.



And Jason was in the dressing room after the game walking around.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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[quote name="tvltre"]Again, it is going to depend on the new rule of blindsided hit "even though Jason saw him coming" and not Hammer's history.



The rule is new this year and we will see exactly how quick they want to enforce the rule.



Was hammer at fault, yes, he hit to early. Was Jason at fault, yes...he purposely turned away from the hit.



Either way, suspension is coming...how long is the question.



What Hammer has going for him is that he didn't go for the head, it was a shoulder to shoulder/back hit.



And Jason was in the dressing room after the game walking around.[/quote]



I wonder if the NHL uses this early season incident to "make an example" of someone.

 

[esbrechtel]

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[quote name="tvltre"]Again, it is going to depend on the new rule of blindsided hit "even though Jason saw him coming" and not Hammer's history.



The rule is new this year and we will see exactly how quick they want to enforce the rule.



Was hammer at fault, yes, he hit to early. Was Jason at fault, yes...he purposely turned away from the hit.



Either way, suspension is coming...how long is the question.



What Hammer has going for him is that he didn't go for the head, it was a shoulder to shoulder/back hit.



And Jason was in the dressing room after the game walking around.[/quote]



I would venture a guess that it is at least 2 games. No way is his suspension 1 (Boyton got that for a gesture).

 

[bri]

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It is an unfortunate situation and even though I didn't think the hit looked that bad, the league needs to be consistent in their punishment for these offenses.

 

[hockeyzep]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion

If Hjalmarsson would have just blind-sided him then i can see a suspension, but video shows that Pominville, multiple times looked back and saw him coming. One of the first thing you learn in check hockey is NEVER turn your back to the player (face the boards) no good will come of it--also Pominville took himself off the boards a little too much which caused that whiplash like effect that jarred him--he should have realized he was going to get hit (HE SAW IT COMING) and put himself in the position to take the hit responsibly--now I did not see if Hjalmarsson left his feet or how many strides he took, so if that's what they are reviewing so be it, but the injury/repercussion of the hit were mostly on Pominville in this instance. (slams gavel) next case!...

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion (Pominville Concussion)

Pomi has a concussion per NHLN.

 

[roshinaya]

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[quote name="tvltre"]Again, it is going to depend on the new rule of blindsided hit "even though Jason saw him coming" and not Hammer's history.

[/quote]



The new rules only apply to blindside hits to the head. This should be looked as just a major boarding penalty with a game misconduct.

 

[Buryit Toews]

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[quote name="bri"]It is an unfortunate situation and even though I didn't think the hit looked that bad, the league needs to be consistent in their punishment for these offenses.[/quote]



:lol: oh Bri, that one made me laugh! The NHL and consistant should never be in the same sentence when one is discussing discipline.

 

[E Runs]

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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



I wonder if the NHL uses this early season incident to "make an example" of someone.[/quote]

I thought the blindside rule only applied to hits to the head?



in any case why is no one talking about what really caused the concussion? The NHL really needs to mandate teams' get rid of that seamless glass in the name of players safety. It has no give whatsoever and JP's head bouncing off that shit is most likely what caused his concussion.

 

[Guest]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion (Pominville Concussion)

it was definitely his head hitting the glass. It was NOT the hit.

 

[canucklehead]

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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



I wonder if the NHL uses this early season incident to "make an example" of someone.[/quote]

taht's what I am thinking, i mean, it's the prefect time for them to do so if they truely wanted to send a message. then again, they've had ample opportunity in the past to do so, and dropped the ball in those instances; though they could always say "new season new rules" and ignore the past precident.



I don't think Hammer is high enough on the star chart to go without suspension.

 

[klemmer]

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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



Uhhhhh what?



No... I feel bad for him getting his head run into the boards/his face beaten in when they play Buffalo next week.



Better have Scott dressed for that one, because IT WILL get messy.



If he gets 2 games, it's the worst... I bet he gets 3 just to avoid a Buffalo incident next weekend.[/quote]



You never know-they could suspend him for just that game.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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[quote name="klemmer"]



You never know-they could suspend him for just that game.[/quote]



How do suspensions work anyways?



Would the league just hold off handing down the suspension until after the next two games? Or can they just decide when the suspension starts?

 

[Ton]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion (Pominville Concussion)

Good lord this conference call is taking fucking forever, I GOT SHIT TO DO NHL! GET ON WITH IT!



You'd think with today's technology they can come up with a better method rather than using fucking morse code or tin cans with string!



"Sorry, I can't hear you... can you tighten the string?"



"Yes I got your telegram, but the ink was smudged can you send another?"



"Beep beep beep... beep beep.... beep beep beep beep... beep.. beep."



Where is the info?!?! It's been almost two hours, what can possibly be taking so long... I'm going to rip my armpit hair right out and sew it to my head in about ten seconds just to keep the sanity (does that make sense? no. its too late for me.)

 

[klemmer]

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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



How do suspensions work anyways?



Would the league just hold off handing down the suspension until after the next two games? Or can they just decide when the suspension starts?[/quote]





The usually start immediately, but I have seen them specify specific games in the past.