Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion (2 Game Suspension)

[the canadian dream]

2 games is fair considering he has no history. If he did you bet your asses this would be a 5 +. Was a rotten hit even though there was no attempt to injure.



As for Buffalo looking for "revenge" next game? Not buying it. Buffalo doesn't play that style of hockey and Ruff won't let them. No ones going to be "running" Kane or Toews or anyone else. They will be looking for some clean hits though. If it were a team full of hacks and thugs like Vancouver then yes I could see it happening. Not the Sabres.



Buffalo gains nothing by taking runs at our players. They aren't going to risk there own suspensions against a non conference opponent. They are NOT a hacky team.

 

[PatrickShart]

The pussification of the league continues. I'm not as big of a fan on any of this stuff...but its the way its going. Hjarlmarsson shouldve gotten 5...and when he got out of the box, should have been challenged by whoever - taken an ass kicking (without anyone jumping in)...and moved on.



Same with Ovechkin last year vs Campbell....Eager shouldve challenged him, Ovie answer the challenge....and police themselves.



And if Avery wasnt a cocksucker...Wiz wouldnt have gotten suspended. If Avery simply drops the gloves to all the shit he starts, Wiz wouldnt call him a *******.



But...the suspension is the way to go these days. I wonder what Miller though of Stafford's head shot to Keith 2 years ago....if Drew should have been "taught" a lesson after that head hit/cheap shot. I mean, Nik hit his shoulder and the force of his head to the glass caused the concussion. Stafford head hunted Keith....but cross eyed Miller forgets that.

 

[phranchk]

I really don't see how this is close to pussification of the league. They're trying to eliminate dumb, dangerous hits. They are in no way removing clean, legitimate, hard checks. There were plenty of them in yesterdays game.

 

[PatrickShart]

I think the game was better when the players policed themselves. There were less cheap shots when players knew they had to stand up and fight, if they were going to cheap shot someone.



Now, players refuse to fight, or others are constantly jumping in to "not let thier guy get beat on".



There were less cheap shots/head shots 15 yrs ago, when players would get their asses kicked in a fight. Now, all they get is a 1-2gm suspension? Whoopee.



If Hjarlmarsson wants to play on that edge, he's gonna cross that line at times. Meaning, he better be able to defend himself with his fists when challenged. Same with Kronwall.



Bryan Marchment played that way....and had to fight ALOT to defend his game. How many times was he suspended for "head hits"...or what would be called "cheap shots" nowadays?

 

[Guest]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion (Pominville Concussion)

[quote name="phranchk"]

I woudln't worry too much about that. All of the Sabres making very public comments was pretty stupid on their part and if they do anything penalties will be called quickly. You know the league will be watching that game closely, as they did the Penguins/Bruins game last year.[/quote]



Yup. Basically why New Jersey played with 15 players yesterday. A team way Cap Fucked.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="the canadian dream"]2 games is fair considering he has no history. If he did you bet your asses this would be a 5 +. Was a rotten hit even though there was no attempt to injure.



As for Buffalo looking for "revenge" next game? Not buying it. Buffalo doesn't play that style of hockey and Ruff won't let them. No ones going to be "running" Kane or Toews or anyone else. They will be looking for some clean hits though. If it were a team full of hacks and thugs like Vancouver then yes I could see it happening. Not the Sabres.



Buffalo gains nothing by taking runs at our players. They aren't going to risk there own suspensions against a non conference opponent. They are NOT a hacky team.[/quote]



Koletta is a cheap hack. Least Scott will be dressed. Although Koletta would only go after Kane last night. Too much of a pussy for anyone else.



And the Sabres took two very cheap hacks at the Hawks after the Hjarlmarsson play with NO CALLS.. One to Pisani's head, two hands, and another punching Kane in the face. So I wouldn't under estimate them doing something dirty. Remember they've lost the last two at least at the UC.

 

[Maiden]

So far the only guy who gets it on these boards is TON. Everybody else on this thread hasn't a clue per usual. To read 4 pages of this crap is mind boggling to me.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Maiden"]So far the only guy who gets it on these boards is TON. Everybody else on this thread hasn't a clue per usual. To read 4 pages of this crap is mind boggling to me.[/quote]



Well you must get it to then. LOL!



We read your crap so fair is fair.



And fyi before you put everyone down there are several people who agree exactly with Tony. So some people must have a clue? No?

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="R K"]



Well you must get it to then. LOL!



We read your crap so fair is fair.



And fyi before you put everyone down there are several people who agree exactly with Tony. So some people must have a clue? No?[/quote]



You're catching on. I apoligize if I didn't see your opinion that was the same as TON's.



btw: No crap gets spewed from the laptop. You know that.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

[quote name="pmxc12873"]I think the game was better when the players policed themselves. There were less cheap shots when players knew they had to stand up and fight, if they were going to cheap shot someone.



Now, players refuse to fight, or others are constantly jumping in to "not let thier guy get beat on".



There were less cheap shots/head shots 15 yrs ago, when players would get their asses kicked in a fight. Now, all they get is a 1-2gm suspension? Whoopee.



If Hjarlmarsson wants to play on that edge, he's gonna cross that line at times. Meaning, he better be able to defend himself with his fists when challenged. Same with Kronwall.



Bryan Marchment played that way....and had to fight ALOT to defend his game. How many times was he suspended for "head hits"...or what would be called "cheap shots" nowadays?[/quote]





I wonder if baseline tests were done in those days if that would have helped accelerate some of the game changes that we are seeing now.



Personally I never bought into the code and players policing themselves actually preventing much of anything other than the players that did not want to get involved...which usually just never got involved.



How about those broadstreet bullies or the Calgary teams that started to breakdown the Oilers dynasty. Code never stopped either team from making cheep plays or even going at star players. And with the Flames, they also shied away from fights.



And no, I do not believe that there were less cheap or head shots. Pretty common to go into a corner to get the puck and get speared, elbowed or sticked to the face, etc. Just need to look at some of the older players to see the scars and such.

 

[Maiden]

Since when is checking considered "on the edge?"

I must have missed that after all these years.

Hey Pommingranite, get your head up and don't put yourself in a vulnerable position.

One of these days forwards are going to finally learn to play along the boards and not put themselves in bad positions.

Ryan Miller can byte me too. Saturday would have been a nice night to have a guy like Burish bump him playing the puck and send a message to him to have him shut his pie hole.

 

[PatrickShart]

I think back then, if there was a cheap shot...they guy that did it would eventually get his - via fight. It's why there would be 2 or 3 fights going on at one time...so that he'd eventually have to.



Back then, there was more clutching/grabbing which slowed down forechecks/or runs...where now players get soo much speed thru the neutral zone and with no slowing them down, this is what you get - and now, they want to suspend players for essentially hitting too hard.



Again, I understand the suspension, doesnt bother me....I simply wish the players that did these types of hits would "fight"/answer that bell. If Hammer had to fight someone from Buffalo and got his ass whopped a few times, maybe he'd think before doing that. Same with a guy like Kronwall or Ovechkin, etc.



But the players dont do that anymore....to me, suspensions do not really "teach" a lesson.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

[quote name="Maiden"]Since when is checking considered "on the edge?"

I must have missed that after all these years.

Hey Pommingranite, get your head up and don't put yourself in a vulnerable position.

One of these days forwards are going to finally learn to play along the boards and not put themselves in bad positions.

Ryan Miller can byte me too. Saturday would have been a nice night to have a guy like Burish bump him playing the puck and send a message to him to have him shut his pie hole.[/quote]





Perhaps after the 30th player is knocked out for a few games this season....

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Maiden"]



You're catching on. I apoligize if I didn't see your opinion that was the same as TON's.



btw: No crap gets spewed from the laptop. You know that.[/quote]





I didn't even think it was a penalty during the game so I'm not sure where I fall into it. I'm still not sure it's a penalty. He had his head down.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

[quote name="pmxc12873"]I think back then, if there was a cheap shot...they guy that did it would eventually get his - via fight. It's why there would be 2 or 3 fights going on at one time...so that he'd eventually have to.



Back then, there was more clutching/grabbing which slowed down forechecks/or runs...where now players get soo much speed thru the neutral zone and with no slowing them down, this is what you get - and now, they want to suspend players for essentially hitting too hard.



Again, I understand the suspension, doesnt bother me....I simply wish the players that did these types of hits would "fight"/answer that bell. If Hammer had to fight someone from Buffalo and got his ass whopped a few times, maybe he'd think before doing that. Same with a guy like Kronwall or Ovechkin, etc.



But the players dont do that anymore....to me, suspensions do not really "teach" a lesson.[/quote]





Not that the much clutching and grabbing in the 70's and 80's as there were in the trap era. But the thing is, even if the guy got his "dues" it never really stopped players for taking liberties. And again, the late 80's Flames became masters of taking liberties and not wanting to fight. It became a strategy for them, so they could get the other team got more penalties.



I also think that retaliation still happens. Many players and teams have long memories and will choose opportune times to retaliate. Sometimes from a returned liberty off play and off the eyes of the refs.





But this thread is all about Hammer.

 

[Pez68]

[quote name="Maiden"]So far the only guy who gets it on these boards is TON. Everybody else on this thread hasn't a clue per usual. To read 4 pages of this crap is mind boggling to me.[/quote]



Why do you still read and post here? You never have anything to add to any discussion. For all the shit you spew about other posters, you are quite possibly the worst poster on these boards.

 

[phranchk]

[quote name="Maiden"]So far the only guy who gets it on these boards is TON. Everybody else on this thread hasn't a clue per usual. To read 4 pages of this crap is mind boggling to me.[/quote]

I bow down to the all mighty god of hockey!

I didn't realize others weren't allowed to have opinions that run counter to your own.

 

[winos5]

[quote name="Pez68"]



Why do you still read and post here? You never have anything to add to any discussion. For all the shit you spew about other posters, you are quite possibly the worst poster on these boards.[/quote]



Ding!

 

[Guest]

Did Pomi put himself into a bad position? Yes.



Did Hammer hit him from behind into the boards? Yes.



Just because Pomi was vulnerable doesn't mean Hammers hit was any less suspension worthy.



Also PMXC, you mentioned that this is the league being "pussified" and the players need to police themselves... Just watch on Saturday how many times Hammer gets challenged. It'll happen the same way when Thorthon went after Matt Cooke last year. First shift Cooke knew he was going to get challenged so he answered the bell early and got it out of the way. Hammer needs to do the same if the situation arises, which I'm about 90% positive after reading some of the Sabres comments. When he does answer the bell, then the players have policed themselves.



Something tells me though that Hammer won't go when challenged.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion (Pominville Concussion)

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



The quote:







But hey, Scott is worthless and we don't need him out there protecting our guys, right?



God I hate Kaleta so much he's one of the biggest pussies in the league. I hope he gets pounded just for saying that since it wouldn't even be him "taking care of it" because he's a scared little *****.[/quote]

No need for purple, Kaleta is a vagina. Anyone who has dropped the gloves in the NHL a few times on our team will have no problem with him. The Sabres can worry all they want about getting "retribution". The only real retribution they'll get is flying out with 2 points, if they try and make it into a hack fest they will lose, just like the Flyers did in the spring.