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[quote name="TJD"]Did Pomi put himself into a bad position? Yes.
Did Hammer hit him from behind into the boards? Yes.
Just because Pomi was vulnerable doesn't mean Hammers hit was any less suspension worthy.
Also PMXC, you mentioned that this is the league being "pussified" and the players need to police themselves... Just watch on Saturday how many times Hammer gets challenged. It'll happen the same way when Thorthon went after Matt Cooke last year. First shift Cooke knew he was going to get challenged so he answered the bell early and got it out of the way. Hammer needs to do the same if the situation arises, which I'm about 90% positive after reading some of the Sabres comments. When he does answer the bell, then the players have policed themselves.
Something tells me though that Hammer won't go when challenged.[/quote]
I agree that Hammer wont go if/when challenged. I think if someone does - and Nik fights...the issue would be over right there. If they challenge and he doesnt...the BS continues all game.
I think Hjarlmarsson needs to know - if he's going to walk that line, he better be willing to drop the gloves every now and then. Unfortunately, I dont think he will.
Did Hammer hit him from behind into the boards? Yes.
Just because Pomi was vulnerable doesn't mean Hammers hit was any less suspension worthy.
Also PMXC, you mentioned that this is the league being "pussified" and the players need to police themselves... Just watch on Saturday how many times Hammer gets challenged. It'll happen the same way when Thorthon went after Matt Cooke last year. First shift Cooke knew he was going to get challenged so he answered the bell early and got it out of the way. Hammer needs to do the same if the situation arises, which I'm about 90% positive after reading some of the Sabres comments. When he does answer the bell, then the players have policed themselves.
Something tells me though that Hammer won't go when challenged.[/quote]
I agree that Hammer wont go if/when challenged. I think if someone does - and Nik fights...the issue would be over right there. If they challenge and he doesnt...the BS continues all game.
I think Hjarlmarsson needs to know - if he's going to walk that line, he better be willing to drop the gloves every now and then. Unfortunately, I dont think he will.
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I agree that Hammer wont go if/when challenged. I think if someone does - and Nik fights...the issue would be over right there. If they challenge and he doesnt...the BS continues all game.
I think Hjarlmarsson needs to know - if he's going to walk that line, he better be willing to drop the gloves every now and then. Unfortunately, I dont think he will.[/quote]
Guess we shall find out.
I agree that Hammer wont go if/when challenged. I think if someone does - and Nik fights...the issue would be over right there. If they challenge and he doesnt...the BS continues all game.
I think Hjarlmarsson needs to know - if he's going to walk that line, he better be willing to drop the gloves every now and then. Unfortunately, I dont think he will.[/quote]
Guess we shall find out.
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[quote name="pmxc12873"]
I agree that Hammer wont go if/when challenged. I think if someone does - and Nik fights...the issue would be over right there. If they challenge and he doesnt...the BS continues all game.
I think Hjarlmarsson needs to know - if he's going to walk that line, he better be willing to drop the gloves every now and then. Unfortunately, I dont think he will.[/quote]
The few fights he's been in, in the AHL have been pretty brutal. IF THE SABRES are looking for further retribution I think it's best for him to just drop em and get it over with.
This is way way way less than the Savard/Cooke incident in that it wasn't as bad of a hit AND Hammer got suspended two games. But IF stuff does get ugly... Hammer better just drop em and let it ride.
I agree that Hammer wont go if/when challenged. I think if someone does - and Nik fights...the issue would be over right there. If they challenge and he doesnt...the BS continues all game.
I think Hjarlmarsson needs to know - if he's going to walk that line, he better be willing to drop the gloves every now and then. Unfortunately, I dont think he will.[/quote]
The few fights he's been in, in the AHL have been pretty brutal. IF THE SABRES are looking for further retribution I think it's best for him to just drop em and get it over with.
This is way way way less than the Savard/Cooke incident in that it wasn't as bad of a hit AND Hammer got suspended two games. But IF stuff does get ugly... Hammer better just drop em and let it ride.
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Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion
[quote name="jakobeast"]Ii have said this a bunch tonight. I am a homer, and as such, I don't think it was that horrible. It looked to me like Pommy looked at Hammer, lowered his shoulder to take the hit and make it look bad. I am not saying he got injured on purpose, or that he did it with intent to get Hammer in trouble. IMO, it looked like Hammer was coming in for shoulder contact. Hammer didn't mean to nail him like that.
With that said, if that was a Hawk that was hit like that I would be screaming bloody murder and looking for the address of the ****** that hit our player. So take my opinion for what it is. An opinion.
Pommy's head hit the glass something fierce. It was for sure a violent hit. I am actually surprised the Sabres didn't grab Hammer and pummel him. That would have been the proper response.
Hammer will probably get suspended for 2 games. It should only be one, but if he is in on Saturday, he will probably get run over and more then likely injured really bad. The NHL won't want that, so to protect him, he will watch from the press box.[/quote]
You are a genius sir, I agree with everything you just said. Pommer made that worse than it had to be. While he came in fast, Hammer coasted or glided the entire way. Hammer played the puck, not the puck carrier as Ryan Miller tried to assert in his post game comments. Hammer should not have gotten two games. The league should take some fucking ownership and refine the "seamless" glass. That shit has been proven dangerous time and time again. The glass is what gave Pommer whiplash and a concussion, not the hit.
I am tired of the NHL and their ridiculous rule book and review process. And not just because we are without Hammer for two games when we really can't afford it. I just can't stand the double standards, lack of enforcement, shoddy way some things are written, and the general pussification of the game. Again, Pommer moved his shoulder instead of taking the hit like a man, got hurt, and Hammer takes the fall because he tried to play the puck and glided into a guy...silly
[quote name="jakobeast"]Ii have said this a bunch tonight. I am a homer, and as such, I don't think it was that horrible. It looked to me like Pommy looked at Hammer, lowered his shoulder to take the hit and make it look bad. I am not saying he got injured on purpose, or that he did it with intent to get Hammer in trouble. IMO, it looked like Hammer was coming in for shoulder contact. Hammer didn't mean to nail him like that.
With that said, if that was a Hawk that was hit like that I would be screaming bloody murder and looking for the address of the ****** that hit our player. So take my opinion for what it is. An opinion.
Pommy's head hit the glass something fierce. It was for sure a violent hit. I am actually surprised the Sabres didn't grab Hammer and pummel him. That would have been the proper response.
Hammer will probably get suspended for 2 games. It should only be one, but if he is in on Saturday, he will probably get run over and more then likely injured really bad. The NHL won't want that, so to protect him, he will watch from the press box.[/quote]
You are a genius sir, I agree with everything you just said. Pommer made that worse than it had to be. While he came in fast, Hammer coasted or glided the entire way. Hammer played the puck, not the puck carrier as Ryan Miller tried to assert in his post game comments. Hammer should not have gotten two games. The league should take some fucking ownership and refine the "seamless" glass. That shit has been proven dangerous time and time again. The glass is what gave Pommer whiplash and a concussion, not the hit.
I am tired of the NHL and their ridiculous rule book and review process. And not just because we are without Hammer for two games when we really can't afford it. I just can't stand the double standards, lack of enforcement, shoddy way some things are written, and the general pussification of the game. Again, Pommer moved his shoulder instead of taking the hit like a man, got hurt, and Hammer takes the fall because he tried to play the puck and glided into a guy...silly
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Re: Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion
[quote name="BigPete"]
You are a genius sir, I agree with everything you just said. Pommer made that worse than it had to be. While he came in fast, Hammer coasted or glided the entire way. Hammer played the puck, not the puck carrier as Ryan Miller tried to assert in his post game comments. Hammer should not have gotten two games. The league should take some fucking ownership and refine the "seamless" glass. That shit has been proven dangerous time and time again. The glass is what gave Pommer whiplash and a concussion, not the hit.
I am tired of the NHL and their ridiculous rule book and review process. And not just because we are without Hammer for two games when we really can't afford it. I just can't stand the double standards, lack of enforcement, shoddy way some things are written, and the general pussification of the game. Again, Pommer moved his shoulder instead of taking the hit like a man, got hurt, and Hammer takes the fall because he tried to play the puck and glided into a guy...silly[/quote]
You both are correct. It isn't homer glasses or Kool-aid.
However, just listen to the announcers for Buffalo go nuts wanting Hammers head on a stick.
Also, the league has made a big issue about concussion causing hits. I know...the rules now are for headshot or blind hits from behind. However, we know Jason saw Hammer at the last minute. Also, if Hammer had gone for the puck instead of the body, this whole thing wouldn't have happened. The puck wasn't on Jason's stick by a fraction of a second.
Furthermore, I talked with a photographer friend of mine from Buffalo. He wanted more than 5 games. His reasoning, if the NHL wants to curb the bad hits, they should send a message.
Was it a bad hit, actually, I think it could have been a lot worse.
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You are a genius sir, I agree with everything you just said. Pommer made that worse than it had to be. While he came in fast, Hammer coasted or glided the entire way. Hammer played the puck, not the puck carrier as Ryan Miller tried to assert in his post game comments. Hammer should not have gotten two games. The league should take some fucking ownership and refine the "seamless" glass. That shit has been proven dangerous time and time again. The glass is what gave Pommer whiplash and a concussion, not the hit.
I am tired of the NHL and their ridiculous rule book and review process. And not just because we are without Hammer for two games when we really can't afford it. I just can't stand the double standards, lack of enforcement, shoddy way some things are written, and the general pussification of the game. Again, Pommer moved his shoulder instead of taking the hit like a man, got hurt, and Hammer takes the fall because he tried to play the puck and glided into a guy...silly[/quote]
You both are correct. It isn't homer glasses or Kool-aid.
However, just listen to the announcers for Buffalo go nuts wanting Hammers head on a stick.
Also, the league has made a big issue about concussion causing hits. I know...the rules now are for headshot or blind hits from behind. However, we know Jason saw Hammer at the last minute. Also, if Hammer had gone for the puck instead of the body, this whole thing wouldn't have happened. The puck wasn't on Jason's stick by a fraction of a second.
Furthermore, I talked with a photographer friend of mine from Buffalo. He wanted more than 5 games. His reasoning, if the NHL wants to curb the bad hits, they should send a message.
Was it a bad hit, actually, I think it could have been a lot worse.
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There should be just cut and dry penalties/suspensions...
(Based on 5min and a game)
1st offense - 1gm
2nd - 2 gms
3rd - 5gms
4th - 10gms
etc...
If you hit someone from behind/head shot - and only a minor is called, it can get reviewed later. If determined it's a behind/head hit - you get fined, but next time falls into your "2nd" offense category.
(Based on 5min and a game)
1st offense - 1gm
2nd - 2 gms
3rd - 5gms
4th - 10gms
etc...
If you hit someone from behind/head shot - and only a minor is called, it can get reviewed later. If determined it's a behind/head hit - you get fined, but next time falls into your "2nd" offense category.
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[quote name="pmxc12873"]There should be just cut and dry penalties/suspensions...
(Based on 5min and a game)
1st offense - 1gm
2nd - 2 gms
3rd - 5gms
4th - 10gms
etc...
If you hit someone from behind/head shot - and only a minor is called, it can get reviewed later. If determined it's a behind/head hit - you get fined, but next time falls into your "2nd" offense category.[/quote]
I like your idea and I agree. But then poor Colin Campbell would be out of a job...
Tony, I think Pommer saw Hammer a lot sooner than people are saying. He actually looked at him twice. In my humble opinion Hammer played the puck, then the body, or at least that seemed to be his intention all along considering the angle he took and where his stick blade was at the time of impact.
Guess we'll see what happens on Saturday now. Campbell is a twisted prick for putting Hammer back out there the night we play them again. Its not like Nik is going to fight anyone. What does he have, 3 career fights and all in the minors?
(Based on 5min and a game)
1st offense - 1gm
2nd - 2 gms
3rd - 5gms
4th - 10gms
etc...
If you hit someone from behind/head shot - and only a minor is called, it can get reviewed later. If determined it's a behind/head hit - you get fined, but next time falls into your "2nd" offense category.[/quote]
I like your idea and I agree. But then poor Colin Campbell would be out of a job...
Tony, I think Pommer saw Hammer a lot sooner than people are saying. He actually looked at him twice. In my humble opinion Hammer played the puck, then the body, or at least that seemed to be his intention all along considering the angle he took and where his stick blade was at the time of impact.
Guess we'll see what happens on Saturday now. Campbell is a twisted prick for putting Hammer back out there the night we play them again. Its not like Nik is going to fight anyone. What does he have, 3 career fights and all in the minors?
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This makes the whole thing a joke.
From Tim Sassone
"Hjalmarsson said NHL told him he hit Pominville too hard more than from behind."
What? If that's the reasoning from the NHL that's a terrible reason for a suspension.
From Tim Sassone
"Hjalmarsson said NHL told him he hit Pominville too hard more than from behind."
What? If that's the reasoning from the NHL that's a terrible reason for a suspension.
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[quote name="phranchk"]This makes the whole thing a joke.
From Tim Sassone
"Hjalmarsson said NHL told him he hit Pominville too hard more than from behind."
What? If that's the reasoning from the NHL that's a terrible reason for a suspension.[/quote]
Yea if that is what they told him then the Major and Misconduct should have been enough....again with the off season chatter about injuries from hits, I think that chatter played more into the suspension than anything else. Just wonder if the NHL will be semi-consistent with this throughout the season.
Wonder if Toews would have gotten a two game suspension for that....
From Tim Sassone
"Hjalmarsson said NHL told him he hit Pominville too hard more than from behind."
What? If that's the reasoning from the NHL that's a terrible reason for a suspension.[/quote]
Yea if that is what they told him then the Major and Misconduct should have been enough....again with the off season chatter about injuries from hits, I think that chatter played more into the suspension than anything else. Just wonder if the NHL will be semi-consistent with this throughout the season.
Wonder if Toews would have gotten a two game suspension for that....
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If that's the excuse they use the fact he was suspended is clear BULLSHIT. And another example the NHL and Colin Cambell can't pull their head out of their ass. I still think it was a clean play. While he had not touched the puck, Hjarlmarsson was playing the puck.
Maybe Pomenville should be suspended for not having his equipment on properly which ultimately caused the injury?
Complete bullshit. They are turning this league into the PUSSIFICATION NHL. Can't make a gesture to another player or you are suspended, BULLSHIT. Can't hit a player too hard on what appeared to be a clean play, BULLSHIT.
**** them. Good job making the NHL look like a fucking joke.
Maybe Pomenville should be suspended for not having his equipment on properly which ultimately caused the injury?
Complete bullshit. They are turning this league into the PUSSIFICATION NHL. Can't make a gesture to another player or you are suspended, BULLSHIT. Can't hit a player too hard on what appeared to be a clean play, BULLSHIT.
**** them. Good job making the NHL look like a fucking joke.
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[quote name="R K"]If that's the excuse they use the fact he was suspended is clear BULLSHIT. And another example the NHL and Colin Cambell can't pull their head out of their ass. I still think it was a clean play. While he had not touched the puck, Hjarlmarsson was playing the puck.
Maybe Pomenville should be suspended for not having his equipment on properly which ultimately caused the injury?
Complete bullshit. They are turning this league into the PUSSIFICATION NHL. Can't make a gesture to another player or you are suspended, BULLSHIT. Can't hit a player too hard on what appeared to be a clean play, BULLSHIT.
**** them. Good job making the NHL look like a fucking joke.[/quote]
The bigger issue is that the more vague the NHL's disciplinary policies and penalties become, the harder it will be for player to correct so-called "dangerous behavior".
How is Nick or any other player supposed to avoid this in the future. Don't hit as hard?
What a fucking joke.
The NHL should just hire Vince McMahon and be done with it.
Maybe Pomenville should be suspended for not having his equipment on properly which ultimately caused the injury?
Complete bullshit. They are turning this league into the PUSSIFICATION NHL. Can't make a gesture to another player or you are suspended, BULLSHIT. Can't hit a player too hard on what appeared to be a clean play, BULLSHIT.
**** them. Good job making the NHL look like a fucking joke.[/quote]
The bigger issue is that the more vague the NHL's disciplinary policies and penalties become, the harder it will be for player to correct so-called "dangerous behavior".
How is Nick or any other player supposed to avoid this in the future. Don't hit as hard?
What a fucking joke.
The NHL should just hire Vince McMahon and be done with it.
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If anybody watched the Kings and ATL last night you would have seen Brown from the Kings Hit at least 3 players square in the back against the boards and no call was made.
I guess the ATL players should have stayed down on the ice (dive) and he might have got a penalty.
I guess the ATL players should have stayed down on the ice (dive) and he might have got a penalty.
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[quote name="chasman"]If anybody watched the Kings and ATL last night you would have seen Brown from the Kings Hit at least 3 players square in the back against the boards and no call was made.
I guess the ATL players should have stayed down on the ice (dive) and he might have got a penalty.[/quote]
He suffered a concussion... it was not a dive. Any time you legitimately whack your head like that, it's better to play it safe and let the medical staff do their job.
I guess the ATL players should have stayed down on the ice (dive) and he might have got a penalty.[/quote]
He suffered a concussion... it was not a dive. Any time you legitimately whack your head like that, it's better to play it safe and let the medical staff do their job.
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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]
He suffered a concussion... it was not a dive. Any time you legitimately whack your head like that, it's better to play it safe and let the medical staff do their job.[/quote]
I was not talking about Pominville, I was talking about the hits from behind.
He suffered a concussion... it was not a dive. Any time you legitimately whack your head like that, it's better to play it safe and let the medical staff do their job.[/quote]
I was not talking about Pominville, I was talking about the hits from behind.
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[quote name="BigPete"]Tony, I think Pommer saw Hammer a lot sooner than people are saying. He actually looked at him twice. In my humble opinion Hammer played the puck, then the body, or at least that seemed to be his intention all along considering the angle he took and where his stick blade was at the time of impact.
Guess we'll see what happens on Saturday now. Campbell is a twisted prick for putting Hammer back out there the night we play them again. Its not like Nik is going to fight anyone. What does he have, 3 career fights and all in the minors?[/quote]
Your right. Jason messed up and put himself in a dangerous position.
Hammer has to pay for playing the game right.
Colin Campbell is the one to blame. We all saw the new rules video about hits. This one was one of the first this year that made waves.
Still think it's a joke
Does anyone know if Jason is going to miss a game because of this hit?
Guess we'll see what happens on Saturday now. Campbell is a twisted prick for putting Hammer back out there the night we play them again. Its not like Nik is going to fight anyone. What does he have, 3 career fights and all in the minors?[/quote]
Your right. Jason messed up and put himself in a dangerous position.
Hammer has to pay for playing the game right.
Colin Campbell is the one to blame. We all saw the new rules video about hits. This one was one of the first this year that made waves.
Still think it's a joke
Does anyone know if Jason is going to miss a game because of this hit?
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[quote name="tvltre"]
Your right. Jason messed up and put himself in a dangerous position.
Hammer has to pay for playing the game right.
Colin Campbell is the one to blame. We all saw the new rules video about hits. This one was one of the first this year that made waves.
Still think it's a joke
Does anyone know if Jason is going to miss a game because of this hit?[/quote]
Last I heard he'll likely miss around a week. Never know with concussions these days though. It could be longer.
Your right. Jason messed up and put himself in a dangerous position.
Hammer has to pay for playing the game right.
Colin Campbell is the one to blame. We all saw the new rules video about hits. This one was one of the first this year that made waves.
Still think it's a joke
Does anyone know if Jason is going to miss a game because of this hit?[/quote]
Last I heard he'll likely miss around a week. Never know with concussions these days though. It could be longer.
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I really wonder how everyone would react if it was Myers that did a similar hit on Kane/Toews.
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So I guess any player penalized for retirbution type hits on sat. should be given more than three games because there will be an intent to injure behind it. In my opinion there was no maliciousness behind the hammer hit, but any retaliation will have maliciousness, so which is worse.