Hjalmarsson Hit Discussion (2 Game Suspension)

[puckjim]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]I really wonder how everyone would react if it was Myers that did a similar hit on Kane/Toews.[/quote]



I really don't have an issue with NH being suspended. It's the reasoning that is suspect.



Part of any punishment must be punitive, sure. But it's also important for the player to learn what he did wrong so he, and other players, will know where the line is drawn.



The NHL can't decide what the fucking line looks like.



Unless I'm missing something, it seems as though nothing can be learned from this episode.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]I really wonder how everyone would react if it was Myers that did a similar hit on Kane/Toews.[/quote]





It would suck. Mitchell most definitely could have gotten a charging call when he hit Toews. He be lined from the penalty box straight for him.



WTF do you think Hawk fans reactions would be like? The same as Buffalo fans right now.



The fact is that if Pomanville had his equipment on properly he might not even have had a concussion. Thus his strap was not on, helmet was loose, cookies got tossed.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]So I guess any player penalized for retirbution type hits on sat. should be given more than three games because there will be an intent to injure behind it. In my opinion there was no maliciousness behind the hammer hit, but any retaliation will have maliciousness, so which is worse.[/quote]





Funny they werent even penalized on Saturday for the "retributon". Pisani was clearly whacked in the head with two arms, Kane was punched in the face.....



Niether were called.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="R K"]





Funny they werent even penalized on Saturday for the "retributon". Pisani was clearly whacked in the head with two arms, Kane was punched in the face.....



Niether were called.[/quote]



I was listening on the radio for the majority of the game and at one point I heard Troy say that someone (I don't think it was Kane) hit someone on the boards and the Buffalo player sucker punched him in the back of the head and went down to a knee.



Who was that? Pisani?

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



I was listening on the radio for the majority of the game and at one point I heard Troy say that someone (I don't think it was Kane) hit someone on the boards and the Buffalo player sucker punched him in the back of the head and went down to a knee.



Who was that? Pisani?[/quote]





No, that was another then. Pisani was hit in the head full force, two hands just on the Hawks blue line. Kane was squarely punched in the face on the side of the Sabres Blue line and Bickell went in after the guy.



The Sabres were taking "cheap" shots every chance they got from the Hjarlmarsson hit on.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="R K"]





No, that was another then. Pisani was hit in the head full force, two hands just on the Hawks blue line. Kane was squarely punched in the face on the side of the Sabres Blue line and Bickell went in after the guy.



The Sabres were taking "cheap" shots every chance they got from the Hjarlmarsson hit on.[/quote]

I actually thought that game was being played nasty from the get go, by both teams, just became VERY apparent on Buffalo's part after Pomminville got his nugget rattled.

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="phranchk"]This makes the whole thing a joke.

From Tim Sassone

"Hjalmarsson said NHL told him he hit Pominville too hard more than from behind."



What? If that's the reasoning from the NHL that's a terrible reason for a suspension.[/quote]



That statement alone makes the suspension a joke.



Hit him too hard??



How hard is too hard?



How do they measure if a hit is too hard?



I understand they want to protect the players and I am all for that if a player is vulnerable but Pommi wasn't. He saw Hammer coming which means he was not totally defenseless.



Hammer didn't blindside him or go head hunting. He hit him clean and unfortunately the guy's head bounced off the glass.



The way it sounds is if a player on the receiving end of a hit doesn't get up, then the hit is too hard..........whether it's a legal hit or not.



And the NHL cannot quote the rule because puck possession is not mentioned in the rules regarding boarding. And if they did, then their refs looked the other way when pisani got blown up later in the game. His head bounced off the glass as well. The only difference is that he got up.



So is it basically a case of no harm, no foul?????

 

[BigPete]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]I really wonder how everyone would react if it was Myers that did a similar hit on Kane/Toews.[/quote]

The exact same way I reacted to this. "Oh damn, that's gonna hurt. Wow, look at the replay, Pommer saw him coming and 'ducked'. No wonder his face slammed into the glass and not his other shoulder. I hope he's okay."



Some of us may be homers, but we still have brains and can analyze the actions that took place on the ice without associating things like OUR guy or THEIR guy to every description. I chose Hammer or Pommer to identify the players when I talked about it. Just like I would say Myers hit Kaner...

 

[canucklehead]

i think the thing that makes the nhl a bigger joke is the fact that wiz got the same punishment as an injury causing, potentially dangerous hit. Campbell needs to be fired.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="canucklehead"]i think the thing that makes the nhl a bigger joke is the fact that wiz got the same punishment as an injury causing, potentially dangerous hit. Campbell needs to be fired.[/quote]





But not technically illegal. Watching the replay over and over the puck is right there.



Shame Pomenville didnt have his helmet strapped on properly.



Scott will beat the living shit out of the pussy Koleta if he tries any shit.

 

[phranchk]

[quote name="R K"]





But not technically illegal. Watching the replay over and over the puck is right there.



Shame Pomenville didnt have his helmet strapped on properly.



Scott will beat the living shit out of the pussy Koleta if he tries any shit.[/quote]

Many players don't. Sharp's falls off about every couple of games from checks.

With that said, if it were strapped properly I doubt it would have made a damn bit of difference. Helmets do more to protect against skull fractures and contusions, not very much to protect against concussions.

 

[E Runs]

I'm not saying P'ville still wouldn't have been concussed but that fucking seamless glass has played a huge role in hits like this.

 

[winos5]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/blackhawks-hjalmarsson-reacts-to-suspension.html



Why did Pominville leave himself vulnerable when he knew Hammer was coming?

 

[phranchk]

[quote name="E Runs"]I'm not saying P'ville still wouldn't have been concussed but that fucking seamless glass has played a huge role in hits like this.[/quote]

It could have certainly helped if it weren't seemless glass. Similar reason to why Nascar put in the impact barriers on courses.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="E Runs"]I'm not saying P'ville still wouldn't have been concussed but that fucking seamless glass has played a huge role in hits like this.[/quote]



Yea the Glass didn't help.



The HSBC has glass panes, where as the UC has Plexi Glass.



I don't know Frank. I just don't think it was a cheap or dirty hit in anyway. He was playing the puck, which was down near P'villes stick. P'ville looked at him twice before the collision. Chose to stand there and absorb the hit he clearly knew was coming.



The league obviously found nothing if they said "he hit him to hard". Are you kidding me? That's an excuse in the NHL? Where guys are going full steam?



No hit to the head.



No hit from behind.



No leaving the feet.



No legitimate reason why he's suspended OTHER than P'ville was injured.

 

[phranchk]

[quote name="R K"]



Yea the Glass didn't help.



The HSBC has glass panes, where as the UC has Plexi Glass.



I don't know Frank. I just don't think it was a cheap or dirty hit in anyway. He was playing the puck, which was down near P'villes stick. P'ville looked at him twice before the collision. Chose to stand there and absorb the hit he clearly knew was coming.



The league obviously found nothing if they said "he hit him to hard". Are you kidding me? That's an excuse in the NHL? Where guys are going full steam?



No hit to the head.



No hit from behind.



No leaving the feet.



No legitimate reason why he's suspended OTHER than P'ville was injured.[/quote]

I'm not saying whether it was dirty or not in responding about his helmet. Just saying the helmet had little to do with his concussion.

The reasoning the NHL gave in it's decision is ludicrous. I still thought it was from behind and was a dangerous hit. Don't think he deserved more than 1 game tops. The NHL telling him it was because he hit him too hard just pisses me off. Now guys can't hit hard? Reading Hammer's comments he's obviously confused by it too. The NHL fucked this one up big time.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="chasman"]If anybody watched the Kings and ATL last night you would have seen Brown from the Kings Hit at least 3 players square in the back against the boards and no call was made.

I guess the ATL players should have stayed down on the ice (dive) and he might have got a penalty.[/quote]



Speaking of....

... two game suspension???

 

[Guest]

Sorry, but just because Pominville was in a bad position doesn't mean what Hammer did was right or fair. If you look he's literally shoving JP's upper body and head directly into the boards with his shoulder. I believe Claude Lemieux did the same to Draper.

 

[PatrickShart]

You need to stop comparing Claude's hit to Nik's. It wasnt even close.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="pmxc12873"]You need to stop comparing Claude's hit to Nik's. It wasnt even close.

[/quote]



Both were thrown with their faces into the boards that's the only coincidence i'm referring to...