How Will The Younger Generation Vote In 2012?

[BigPete]

Then why aren't the occupiers protesting the schools that "are given" their money?

Good question. I agreed with a lot of people, here especially, that most of the OWSers caught on camera were not eloquent in the least.

 

[BigPete]

This.



Though I have not quite paid the gov't back two fold with all of the DOD education money I got...well actuall probably did but in other ways.

I have been making around 100K for 8 years now. Do you think I paid them back? I have been 'contributing' at least 30K in payroll taxes each of those years, so I would say so. Funny thing is that my good salaries have come BEFORE I finished my undergrad. I still have about 10 classes to go and hope to be done at the end of 2012.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

State Schools getting funded State Money? How much money do you think IL owes schools of all kind? They are 8 billion in the hole. Not that I'm defending the schools, because they cry wolf and raise tuition at their whim. And that example is only IL when tution accross the board has increase more than our Hawks ST's in some cases.

Considering my lil' community college gets about $18 mil annually from state and local taxes, I could only imaging what the bigger boys get. However, the state is behind by a year or two in payments, so guess where that difference is filled in from? Tuition.



Also, for some schools that choose to go the competitive route, they have to pay faculty (and subsequent classroom needs), a crazy about of money. Because the faculty unions tend to be strong, less competitive school's faculty unions fight for being on par. And the circle just continues...

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Ok, so I am ignorant on a subject and I am hoping you folks on here can help me. I see many posts that talk about public vs. private university costs and education on here from many of you. Is there really a big difference in the education? Are you trying to tell me that my University Of Florida education somehow doesn't stack up because the school is a state school? Honest question. I don't know what people think when they read my resume. I don't know that a school name matters. I have the belief that a degree is generally a degree, unless it is from the preeminent school in a particular area. Same with GPA, some employers have asked, but do they really care?

As far as hard education, public and private are relatively the same. Where the split tends to come is from three things:



(1) Top 5 focus in a specific field - ultra competitive schools that poor much resources in to certain fields of study. With larger endowments is it easier for private schools to be the higher ranked. Benefit is usually in executive business and certain scientific or social fields.



(2) Research institution - Most of the best in any field tend to be public schools due to gov't funding and less money that business need to pay for the "free" research.



(3) Job placement and\or networking base. Pretty even for both public and private, but depending on the industry, and level within, you are trying to get into private can have far larger benefits.

 

[BigPete]

Paul, talking about online courses: I am going to U of I Springfield completely online right now. I am in the Bachelor of Business Administration program. This is a prime example of a curiculum that you don't need a high IQ to understand its concepts and principles. The best part of the online setup for me is that you also don't need a strong ability to memorize large amounts of information. I learned plenty from each of my courses, wrote many papers to express my opinions and level of understanding, and even participated in many group projects. I don't feel cheated at all except for one class that had an absentee teacher. He gave us the assignments, we got the books, we took online quizzes and wrote a paper for each chapter, but he never gave input on the papers so it was impossible to improve their quality. I got a B and I should have been able to get an A if I knew what he thought I was leaving out of the papers. That was an isolated experience that I hope does not repeat.



So, this is a good degree program for the online environment. Now, would I let a doctor that earned an online degree perform surgery on me? Hell no. Would I let a pilot with an online education fly for me? Hell no. Would I let an accountant with an online degree do my taxes? Sure. It is not easy to cheat an online test with math computations or math concepts involved unless someone else takes it for you (which could happen in any online university setting).

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

I have been making around 100K for 8 years now. Do you think I paid them back? I have been 'contributing' at least 30K in payroll taxes each of those years, so I would say so. Funny thing is that my good salaries have come BEFORE I finished my undergrad. I still have about 10 classes to go and hope to be done at the end of 2012.

Except that entire 30k is not going to just education.



And yes, anyone can make well before an undergrad degree (I know I did), but it also depends on the field and what level within the field you want to attain. When I changed from being an owner to a worker I wanted to increase my chances of still being at a higher level. To do that the degree was required.





RK had mentioned that comminication is a critical skill that one should learn from 4 years of college, but I will add networking. Can never underestimate networking as it can do amazing wonders to one's career. There are plenty of people that went to school with in the mid 90's that I still share information with and vice versa. Always makes me look "smarter" with my peers, but also makes me spend less time on reinventing the wheel. Networking also can also help with job placement....nevermind the dirty secret that some hiring managers will prefer an allumni of their school(s) if the candidates are equal.

 

[supraman]

You really think they voted when they were 17 year olds planning to go to a school? NOT possible.



Who do you think encouraged/forced them to go to school at 17/18 years old? Their schools, their parents, society. It sounds hokey to you, but it is a reality.

Okay I got it, people are too fucking stupid to think for themselves. Let me know when they want to pay off my car since society tells me I need a car because I can't think for myself and did not realize the consequences of my actions.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Okay I got it, people are too fucking stupid to think for themselves. Let me know when they want to pay off my car since society tells me I need a car because I can't think for myself and did not realize the consequences of my actions.

Careful... even though you say that tongue in cheek there are many in positions of power today that feel that way.

 

[BigPete]

Oh Supra always the drama queen. Again, 17 or 18 year olds can't think past next week. 22 year olds aren't too much better.

 

[supraman]

Oh Supra always the drama queen. Again, 17 or 18 year olds can't think past next week. 22 year olds aren't too much better.

Oh well sucks to be stupid. Sorry I dont believe in protecting the stupid from themselves.

 

[TSD]

Except that entire 30k is not going to just education.



And yes, anyone can make well before an undergrad degree (I know I did), but it also depends on the field and what level within the field you want to attain. When I changed from being an owner to a worker I wanted to increase my chances of still being at a higher level. To do that the degree was required.





RK had mentioned that comminication is a critical skill that one should learn from 4 years of college, but I will add networking. Can never underestimate networking as it can do amazing wonders to one's career. There are plenty of people that went to school with in the mid 90's that I still share information with and vice versa. Always makes me look "smarter" with my peers, but also makes me spend less time on reinventing the wheel. Networking also can also help with job placement....nevermind the dirty secret that some hiring managers will prefer an allumni of their school(s) if the candidates are equal.

I wouldnt call it networking so to speak, but the guy that interviewed me 5 years ago for my current job went to the same University and mentioned that in my interview.

 

[Maiden]

I guess it both depends on the institution and also what they do with the funds they are recieving. I've never bought that an ivy league scool gives one ANY better education verses the Public University, although employers do look at them differently. Although in todays economy if I'm hiring someone I tend to look at experience to be the difference between resumes.



If you give me two candidates, one graduated from Harvard, and the other University of Illinois, does it make a difference, it depends what the "experience" of the two candidates have. I would tend to chose the one with the experience, over the more touted University.



College teaches an individual one thing thats paramount in learning. Communication Skills. With those, no matter what field you study, you can succeed in almost anything you do.

I'll take the applicant who appears not to be "book smart; real world dumb"

 

[Tater]

Good question. I agreed with a lot of people, here especially, that most of the OWSers caught on camera were not eloquent in the least.

It's not so much eloquence, I just think they should question why college is so expensive in the first place, I've seen blatant waste there firsthand.

 

[R K]

I'll take the applicant who appears not to be "book smart; real world dumb"

I'll weigh them both and chose who I feel the best candidate is to do the job. Strangely enough I am starting to train some people in my spare time in the office. Like I said communication is the first lesson to learn. It effects every aspect of almost 99% of every Job. From there you learn the fundamentals of said job.



If I were to go to school, I would chose something in the health care field right now as an example. Health Care is BOOMING from Sales of Pharmecutials, to the actual application/operations of hospitals, right down to the health care providers themselves.



It's the student that studies English, Anthropology, History, Philosophy, ect, ect. You may get the communications skills you need, but you will need to adapt to something else in order to find employment.