I am all in on rebuild

[JP Hochbaum]

what is it you don’t understand about signing castellanos? You mention not understanding it but don’t really go on to say why. Is it age? Because he’s 29 just like rodon, whomst you propose signing. So not sure what it is you don’t like about it? Guy flat out rakes the baseball. Give him 5 years and 150 mil and call it good

Yes I forgot to add why. The big reason is that he becomes a blocker to people who play his position, which he generally doesn't field very well.

Whereas Correa, can be moved to 5-6 different spots and would be an elite fielder so that he doesn't block any call ups.

I wouldn't compare Rodon to Nick as they are not the same position, this is about choosing Correa or Nick.

 

[knoxville7]

Yes I forgot to add why. The big reason is that he becomes a blocker to people who play his position, which he generally doesn't field very well.

Whereas Correa, can be moved to 5-6 different spots and would be an elite fielder so that he doesn't block any call ups.

I wouldn't compare Rodon to Nick as they are not the same position, this is about choosing Correa or Nick.

got ya. Well, I think the big thing is whether or not the DH comes to the NL. Indications are it is coming, so his defense won’t be hard to hide. And even despite his poor defense, he’s been a 2.5 WAR so far this season.

and as far as choosing between Correa or castellanos. I don’t see why the cubs have to choose. In theory they could sign both guys AND a starting pitcher like Rodon or Syndegaard. We are talking what, like 75 million per year to sign all 3? I believe the cubs payroll next year is currently around 55-60 mil…so that’s a team payroll of only about 135 million next season with those 3 guys. That’s still a pretty low payroll for a team like the cubs. Then you use the youth from the minor leagues to supplement the rest of the roster and sign another FA or two over the next couple of years to fill in any holes that the minor league system fails to cover for you

 

[JP Hochbaum]

got ya. Well, I think the big thing is whether or not the DH comes to the NL. Indications are it is coming, so his defense won’t be hard to hide. And even despite his poor defense, he’s been a 2.5 WAR so far this season.

and as far as choosing between Correa or castellanos. I don’t see why the cubs have to choose. In theory they could sign both guys AND a starting pitcher like Rodon or Syndegaard. We are talking what, like 75 million per year to sign all 3? I believe the cubs payroll next year is currently around 55-60 mil…so that’s a team payroll of only about 135 million next season with those 3 guys. That’s still a pretty low payroll for a team like the cubs. Then you use the youth from the minor leagues to supplement the rest of the roster and sign another FA or two over the next couple of years to fill in any holes that the minor league system fails to cover for you

Well if we are signing three then I am targeting Bryant, lol.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Well if we are signing three then I am targeting Bryant, lolol.

I'd target Freeman, Seager/Correa, and Conforto/Castellanos

 

[knoxville7]

I'd target Freeman, Seager/Correa, and Conforto/Castellanos

hard pass on conforto. Guy always seems hurt

but i guess the cubs do need an Italian on the roster again with rizzo gone lol

 

[Discus fish salesman]

hard pass on conforto. Guy always seems hurt

but i guess the cubs do need an Italian on the roster again with rizzo gone lol

I'm just looking at some impact left handed bats that don't strikeout a ton

 

[CSF77]

I would hide Nick in LF with Ortega in CF and Davis in RF. The IF they would be smart targeting Belt and Seager then.

Lets just look at it.

Seager 27.5M
Rondon 27.5M
Castellanos 27.5M
Belt 17.5M

A est for payroll now 60M.

160M.

Payroll should be around 180 which gives Jed 30M to add at the deadline. So 20M to add vet arms in the pen.

Line up:

Ortega CF
Madigal 2B
Seager 3B
Castellanos LF
Belt 1B
Contreras C
Davis RF
Hoerner SS

Actually that is a line up to get a bit excited about.

Rotation

Rondon
Hendricks
Alzolay
Steel
Thompson or Kilian

Closer incomming Marquez with Wick/Weick and Maples setting him up.

I again can get excited about this.

This could all be in place in June if Jed doesnt go with tbe drawn out rebuild. Or snorefest and why even pay for tickets baseball.

Jed can always trade players if a kid forces playing time. I would not build towards the kid and give it to him on a silver plater. That is what bad teams do and those teams are restricted by revenues.

 

[CSF77]

I'm just looking at some impact left handed bats that don't strikeout a ton

I would still target Belt over Freddy. Less years and less of a commit. Belt fits the profile also and is 2nd tier in pay.

If I am targeting a 25-30M per player Age at 30 max. And is a hitter that you build around.

Freedy checks 1 of 2 boxes. Belt checks none but comes in at south of 20M and 3 years is a fair durration. Which gives time to develop.

So Rondon, Seager, Castellanos and Belt.

Freddy should get a deal leading to 40 and that is going to be a drop off contract.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I would still target Belt over Freddy. Less years and less of a commit. Belt fits the profile also and is 2nd tier in pay.

If I am targeting a 25-30M per player Age at 30 max. And is a hitter that you build around.

Freedy checks 1 of 2 boxes. Belt checks none but comes in at south of 20M and 3 years is a fair durration. Which gives time to develop.

So Rondon, Seager, Castellanos and Belt.

Freddy should get a deal leading to 40 and that is going to be a drop off contract.

I saw someone claim you may be able to get Freeman for 4/80 because he already signed a huge contract before. I can't imagine that's right otherwise I assume ATL would have extended him already

 

[sp2325]

I would look at Eric Hosmer from SD to play 1B. SD is looking to move him as they have other players needing playing time. He is still a good defender and has some production left for sure only being 31. SD might be willing to throw in a decent prospect or a pitcher like Ryan Weathers to take on Hosmer deal in the winter if they want to spend in FA especially if Tatis is moving to CF then they would need an SS and I would assume they would go after a Baez, Correa, Seager type.

Hosmer makes 22 mil in 2022 with an opt out after that year then it is 13 for the next 2 years. If he opts out so be it and you net at least a decent prospect or Weathers who can step into the rotation or be a good bullpen piece

I would do the same with the Jays as they have a surplus of outfielders and could be looking to move Randall Grichuk wh only makes 10 million a year and is a good defender and a good hitter not great but a good middle of the order hitter. Only signed for 2 more years so could be flipped or moved when Davis is ready.

You would ask the Jays for a prospect to be tagged along

I think if you make a couple of moves like the above or other salaries teams are needing to move on from which nets you another asset you can still be competitive as the NL Central is really not that good but still have an eye on the futur.

 

[Diehardfan]

I would hide Nick in LF with Ortega in CF and Davis in RF. The IF they would be smart targeting Belt and Seager then.

Lets just look at it.

Seager 27.5M
Rondon 27.5M
Castellanos 27.5M
Belt 17.5M

A est for payroll now 60M.

160M.

Payroll should be around 180 which gives Jed 30M to add at the deadline. So 20M to add vet arms in the pen.

Line up:

Ortega CF
Madigal 2B
Seager 3B
Castellanos LF
Belt 1B
Contreras C
Davis RF
Hoerner SS

Actually that is a line up to get a bit excited about.

Rotation

Rondon
Hendricks
Alzolay
Steel
Thompson or Kilian

Closer incomming Marquez with Wick/Weick and Maples setting him up.

I again can get excited about this.

This could all be in place in June if Jed doesnt go with tbe drawn out rebuild. Or snorefest and why even pay for tickets baseball.

Jed can always trade players if a kid forces playing time. I would not build towards the kid and give it to him on a silver plater. That is what bad teams do and those teams are restricted by revenues.

When are you going to realize that Rondon is out of baseball....at least I think he is. You must have that name in 20 posts.


It's RODON

Who....as been his history, has just been put on the IL.....again. The guy's an injury machine.

 

[CSF77]

When are you going to realize that Rondon is out of baseball....at least I think he is. You must have that name in 20 posts.


It's RODON

Who....as been his history, has just been put on the IL.....again. The guy's an injury machine.

Meh.

Made sense. Tired arm. Has not pitched a full season in years. Last start smacked around the romper room kids on the north side.

Non issue and you would be wrong to think that a tick is a boom vs a guy getting winded.

 

[CSF77]

Speaking of the romper room. 11-1 ass smacking. Look out here comes a solid pick in a year that there is no stand out #1.

 

[CSF77]

Oh and shut up nerd.

 

[Diehardfan]

Meh.

Made sense. Tired arm. Has not pitched a full season in years. Last start smacked around the romper room kids on the north side.

Non issue and you would be wrong to think that a tick is a boom vs a guy getting winded.

And you are blinded yet again with short term success. This guy hasn't had a healthy season in 5 years.

There's a reason why he only makes $3 mil

 

[CSF77]

And you are blinded yet again with short term success. This guy hasn't had a healthy season in 5 years.

There's a reason why he only makes $3 mil

That is not going to happen going forward.

High risk high reward.

Low risk low reward.

Rodon holds less risk than Thor does right now. Thor is always injured. He has no current run of sucess.

Rodon has that. And yes he will be paid. Teams will check medicals like normal. Most likely there will be caution involved but he will be paid.

I see the top RHP for a long deal as Stroman.

The top short term deal Max.

Top LHP long deal Rodon

Top LHP short deal Kershaw.

That is what the market will be.

Thor will return as a pen arm and with his track record he would market best as a closer on 3 year deals. Save his arm

Rodon on the other hand. Ya if he came out avg. Boras would have had a hard sale. But as is he is getting a rest. Then come back for a tune up then push for the play offs.

At the end of the day. The White Sox are not a contender with out him. That is pretty much the reality of it. I dont see them wanting to deal with Boras. I see teams shying away out of fear. So Jed may only have the big baller teams like the Yankees who spit in the eye of coward talk.

 

[CSF77]

Thank god teams will take risks. Rich Hill and Boston. Ya that old scrub. Useless. Ya that is what people thought of him at the time.

There is also coming up short. Yanks saw that this year bringing back a untested post opt ace.

That is the thing. Tested or untested. Tired arm. Pitchers are dealing with that this year regardless. Get 60 games in then move up to 162. It is a big deal.

If he got blown up by the romper room kids and his anm was sagging on the bench. Yep red flag. But nope. Slapped around the kids then the sox decide to give his arm a well earned rest.

I know that Boras will push the number. Teams will counter with team opts to get out early on.

But as far as risk goes? Any pitcher can go under the knife after any pitch. Pitching a baseball over 90 MPH over and over again is a risk to any pitcher. All you can do is go with the meds. Add a out clause and a innings sealer for the player and move on.

Happens all of the time.

 

[TL1961]

what is it you don’t understand about signing castellanos? You mention not understanding it but don’t really go on to say why. Is it age? Because he’s 29 just like rodon, whomst you propose signing. So not sure what it is you don’t like about it? Guy flat out rakes the baseball. Give him 5 years and 150 mil and call it good

He has no defensive position and is a weirdo in the clubhouse. Move on.

 

[knoxville7]

He has no defensive position and is a weirdo in the clubhouse. Move on.

he does have a position. And weirdo in the clubhouse? I’m curious

and move on…the guy is hitting .320 with power. He’s a legit consideration to go after in the offseason, assuming he opts out like everyone thinks he will

 

[CSF77]

I know there was a deal with him in his time as a Cub. Joe was all about it. Well Joe is a bit weird also. But ya know weird is cool. Crazy is not.