I don't care...

[HurricaneDij39]

I defended Theo, Hoyer, Ricketts, and the Cubs, bro... (wrong "you're" btw )

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/...I-don-t-care?p=1150745&viewfull=1#post1150745

I was talking about Pat. But I appreciate you taking a different approach from the other Sox fans around here.

 

[brett05]

Pat isn't a Sox fan. I don't think he's ever posted in the forum

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[HurricaneDij39]

My sources? Have you been asleep when the Cubs ate all of Zambrano's 18 million and paid the Yankees 19 million for Soriano to play for them. My math sources say that that equals 37 million. Let me check again. Yeap! They said 37 million.

And if they ate it before, my sources say they will do it again.

It's called common sense. But, I guess if it were so common, everybody would have it. :smh:

That's not a source. That's living in the past. I'll admit that I'm not the best example of this and make more of my past than I would like, but one who lives for the past = Loser.

The decisions to eat the contracts of Zambrano and Soriano have to do with clearing the books on the old regime. Zambrano had one year left when we ate his deal and was coming off a career-worst season, and it turns out we didn't lose too much as his 2012 campaign with the Marlins wasn't a whole lot better and the Marlins let him walk as a FA without any sort of compensation.

Soriano too, only had one full year on his deal when we ate that salary. Hindsight may suggest that maybe we should have waited until the end of the season to move him. But, while he had started to heat up in June and July, he didn't have a great first half with the Cubs. We had to try and get something back for him when we could. He was 37 and had no future with the Cubs any way you spin it.

Edwin Jackson has three full years left on his deal. Unless he completely bottoms out in 2014, I don't see under any circumstance that the Cubs eat that contract.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Pat isn't a Sox fan. I don't think he's ever posted in the forum

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That's the point, idiot. He's not a Sox fan, but that's where all his friends lie on this site. You know, guys who have an agenda to hate on the Cubs in the first place.

And do you seriously think I give a **** where your post was sent from?

 

[CSF77]

They wont eat his deal.

 

[patg006]

He was willing to go to $75 million for a guy that wasn't even an ace (Anibal Sanchez). Bogusevic and McDonald didn't even start for the Cubs, and I agree that Barney's position needs to be upgraded.

And how is it foolish to ask for a primer hitter in return for Shark? Considering he's the top pitcher potentially on the trade market outside of David Price even coming off a bad year, I think it was quite smart. Worst case scenario he's still with the team in 2014, and you're the one who keeps ranting "Don't trade Shark, Don't trade Shark! like a broken record.

Still a hypocrite. And his name is Brian Bogusevic, but what do you know. He got traded, so that's one less guy you can ***** about.

Oh no. He was willing to go to 75 million for the 3rd pitcher on the Tigers. 6 years 91 is what he got. You're telling me the cubs couldn't get off their asses for that?

AND you're going to nitpick semantics over a turd outfielder's first name?

Yeah. You're building a solid case in your favor there, cupcake.

I don't want to trade Shark. He's the best player on this pitching staff. But he's far from an ace. If I were Atlanta, my 24 year old star Jason Heyward would be off the table, but my average AAA pitching prospects would be on.

Theo can ask for anyone he likes, doesn't mean he's going to get it, or will get it.

And I'm not friends with White Sox fans here. I want the cubs to win, and I strongly disagree with the way the cubs are doing it now. And speaking of common sense, white sox fans ask the same things I do 'hey what happens if none of these prospects make it like all you :fap: squad think?'

But you know there is this thing called 'effort' that needs doing ON and OFF the field.

I fear though, all of this common sense will go right to your bunched panties.

I'll patiently wait for the next Strawman you got.

 

[patg006]

That's the point, idiot. He's not a Sox fan, but that's where all his friends lie on this site. You know, guys who have an agenda to hate on the Cubs in the first place.

And do you seriously think I give a **** where your post was sent from?

Many of the White sox fans I know don't hate the cubs, same thing goes for this site, they tend to have more common sense because cubs fans tend to get all prospect heavy. They share my belief that Theo isn't some savior that took the Red Sox from rags to riches. THey also share my belief that what the cubs are doing isn't some magical new trend, that guy Andy McPhail did the whole prospect thing in the 90s. How quick we are to forget.

Also, they share my belief that X needs to get off his ass and give us the pie he promised......

 

[Boobaby1]

That's not a source. That's living in the past. I'll admit that I'm not the best example of this and make more of my past than I would like, but one who lives for the past = Loser.

The decisions to eat the contracts of Zambrano and Soriano have to do with clearing the books on the old regime. Zambrano had one year left when we ate his deal and was coming off a career-worst season, and it turns out we didn't lose too much as his 2012 campaign with the Marlins wasn't a whole lot better and the Marlins let him walk as a FA without any sort of compensation.

Soriano too, only had one full year on his deal when we ate that salary. Hindsight may suggest that maybe we should have waited until the end of the season to move him. But, while he had started to heat up in June and July, he didn't have a great first half with the Cubs. We had to try and get something back for him when we could. He was 37 and had no future with the Cubs any way you spin it.

Edwin Jackson has three full years left on his deal. Unless he completely bottoms out in 2014, I don't see under any circumstance that the Cubs eat that contract.

Lives for the past? It's called facts.

Fact is, the Cubs ate salary, and then slurpers say that it is okay because it is clearing out the books. If that is the case, then why didn't they take the precious money and get Sanchez in which we wouldn't have a dead weighted contract in E-Jax on the books. And don't use the bullshit line about leverage and he never wanted to play for the Cubs because money always talks to free agents.

Sure, everyone says Soriano's contract was an albatross and you did too on CBS. Now it is okay to clear it off the books and gag on it but you have no quarrels whatsoever when the management says every penny is spent, and we have a worse albatross contract in a pitcher that plays every 5th day.

I'll take the RBI leader of the team playing every day over the Cubs worst pitcher taking the mound every 5th.

Now, defend that!

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Oh no. He was willing to go to 75 million for the 3rd pitcher on the Tigers. 6 years 91 is what he got. You're telling me the cubs couldn't get off their asses for that?

AND you're going to nitpick semantics over a turd outfielder's first name?

Yeah. You're building a solid case in your favor there, cupcake.

I don't want to trade Shark. He's the best player on this pitching staff. But he's far from an ace. If I were Atlanta, my 24 year old star Jason Heyward would be off the table, but my average AAA pitching prospects would be on.

Theo can ask for anyone he likes, doesn't mean he's going to get it, or will get it.

And I'm not friends with White Sox fans here. I want the cubs to win, and I strongly disagree with the way the cubs are doing it now. And speaking of common sense, white sox fans ask the same things I do 'hey what happens if none of these prospects make it like all you :fap: squad think?'

But you know there is this thing called 'effort' that needs doing ON and OFF the field.

I fear though, all of this common sense will go right to your bunched panties.

I'll patiently wait for the next Strawman you got.

Sorry, I thought it was five years and $80 million. Still, think maybe the Tigers could be regretting that Sanchez contract knowing that it may just have cost them Fielder and Fister.

Sanchez never actually wanted to come to the Cubs, he was merely using them as leverage over the Tigers. Think about it, it came down to a choice of whether he wanted to play for a team coming off 100 losses vs a team coming off a World Series appearance.

You even said it yourself in your latest tirade - Just because Theo offers a big contract to a free agent doesn't mean he's going to get him. It's not as simple as picking up at item off the shelf at a grocery store. Even Choo rejected an offer of $140 million simply because he thought he was a better player than Ellsbury. And when one fails to pick up their top desired free agent, you look at alternatives - And that is exactly what the Cubs did with Jackson and what the Yankees did with Beltran after missing out on Choo.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Many of the White sox fans I know don't hate the cubs, same thing goes for this site, they tend to have more common sense because cubs fans tend to get all prospect heavy. They share my belief that Theo isn't some savior that took the Red Sox from rags to riches. THey also share my belief that what the cubs are doing isn't some magical new trend, that guy Andy McPhail did the whole prospect thing in the 90s. How quick we are to forget.

Also, they share my belief that X needs to get off his ass and give us the pie he promised......

Well, it's not the 90's. So you can get over that one right now.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Lives for the past? It's called facts.

Fact is, the Cubs ate salary, and then slurpers say that it is okay because it is clearing out the books. If that is the case, then why didn't they take the precious money and get Sanchez in which we wouldn't have a dead weighted contract in E-Jax on the books. And don't use the bullshit line about leverage and he never wanted to play for the Cubs because money always talks to free agents.

Sure, everyone says Soriano's contract was an albatross and you did too on CBS. Now it is okay to clear it off the books and gag on it but you have no quarrels whatsoever when the management says every penny is spent, and we have a worse albatross contract in a pitcher that plays every 5th day.

I'll take the RBI leader of the team playing every day over the Cubs worst pitcher taking the mound every 5th.

Now, defend that!

Wrong, never said that in recent memory. Maybe I said that in 2009 or 2010 when he was unproductive and kept getting injured, but again I ain't making that much of the past.

You want the top RBI man on a 100-loss team? Then by all means take him. Jackson still ain't going to be bought out, though.

You lose all credibility by referring to other posters as "slurpers". The ultimate blanket statement.

 

[brett05]

That's the point, idiot. He's not a Sox fan, but that's where all his friends lie on this site. You know, guys who have an agenda to hate on the Cubs in the first place.

[Green]
Stretching your vocab. You're all class.[/green]

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[patg006]

Sorry, I thought it was five years and $80 million. Still, think maybe the Tigers could be regretting that Sanchez contract knowing that it may just have cost them Fielder and Fister.

Sanchez never actually wanted to come to the Cubs, he was merely using them as leverage over the Tigers. Think about it, it came down to a choice of whether he wanted to play for a team coming off 100 losses vs a team coming off a World Series appearance.

You even said it yourself in your latest tirade - Just because Theo offers a big contract to a free agent doesn't mean he's going to get him. It's not as simple as picking up at item off the shelf at a grocery store. Even Choo rejected an offer of $140 million simply because he thought he was a better player than Ellsbury. And when one fails to pick up their top desired free agent, you look at alternatives - And that is exactly what the Cubs did with Jackson and what the Yankees did with Beltran after missing out on Choo.

5 years 80 mil with an option for 6th year at 11 mil--making it 6 years 91.

He never actually wanted to come to the cubs? Well that contradicts your 'cubs made an attempt to get him and get to the middle ground.' Why chase a guy who doesn't want to come here? I mean, unless you know you're not going to get him, but want to give the perception that you give a shit. Once again my point of 'not trying to reach the middle ground' cant be rebuffed by you. But we knew that. They were going to do the same thing with Tanaka (now in limbo with his posting situation), post to show they were 'in,' but not be serious players.

Not the 90s anymore? Oh man, thanks captain obvious. It will totally be different this time, right?

The difference is in the past three years that there has been an extra emphasis on prospects, but the law of prospect averages hasn't changed, meaning many will fail still. Yes, pumpkin, that means even some of these precious cubs prospects will fail and not make it.

The Rangers must be doing it wrong now, adding big contract players and free agents. They're ignoring the farm! Forget doing everything to win at any cost. No prospects=Rangers wont make the playoffs! :fap::fap::fap::fap:

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Apparently, Choo or Granderson cost too much for the Cubs.

 

[beckdawg]

Apparently, Choo or Granderson cost too much for the Cubs.

As did they for the Sox and probably 25 other teams.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

The sports culture in general is drastically different today as opposed to the 90's. In basketball for instance, we had the greats from that decade in Jordan, Malone, and Olajuwon competing for MVP's in or approaching their mid-thirties, but being a die-hard basketball fan, I know too well we won't be seeing that in today's game due to all the speed and athleticism, a 30-something can't keep up. While in baseball, there's more emphasis on advanced scouting these days.

 

[dabynsky]

I've read the first page of this thread and I don't care to read anymore.