I don't care...

[brett05]

And if the Cubs overpay Tanaka like they should, they can rely on the rest of the cheap minor leaguers that are coming through the system to offset his contract in a major way, even if they extend Wood and trade Shark. They could backfill the rotation with Arrieta, Rusin, and/or Hendricks to keep the rotation cheap which would be about 43 million for the entire staff, and 13 million of that going to E-Jax.

Plus, wouldn't it be better to land a guy like Tanaka and have him pitch the better part of a year before the youth starts to arrive to establish himself, and also have the media frenzy in Chicago go haywire every time he pitches?

The Cubs could use a buzz-factor, and Tanaka is the one to do it IMO.

All valid points. Doesn't change the fact that the Cubs have a better shot at him next off season though

 

[Boobaby1]

All valid points. Doesn't change the fact that the Cubs have a better shot at him next off season though

Regardless of what Beck quoted on another post, it doesn't change the fact that Rickett's stated that Tanaka was his number one priority. Tanaka is not the White Sox, Pirates, Rays, Nationals, Braves, Cardinals, Red Sox, Royals, Tigers, and 85% of the other teams number one priority.

So if you have interest, and you know about debt problems occurred prior to the purchase of the Cubs, and you know he is going to be highly coveted by some big players, then why say anything then? Just say nothing and go about your business.

The Cubs have been pretty transparent when they say something, and that goes from the owner, to the VP, and also down the GM and Scouting.

They said Zambrano would be gone no matter the price, and he was. They said they were going to emphasize the farm regardless of the parent club, and they have. They said they were not going to waver from the plan despite public disapproval, and they haven't. They said that pitching would be the primary focus (although not as much as I would like), and it has been.

So when they all say that Tanaka is the main target, why should I feel any different?

 

[brett05]

Regardless of what Beck quoted on another post, it doesn't change the fact that Rickett's stated that Tanaka was his number one priority. Tanaka is not the White Sox, Pirates, Rays, Nationals, Braves, Cardinals, Red Sox, Royals, Tigers, and 85% of the other teams number one priority.

So if you have interest, and you know about debt problems occurred prior to the purchase of the Cubs, and you know he is going to be highly coveted by some big players, then why say anything then? Just say nothing and go about your business.

The Cubs have been pretty transparent when they say something, and that goes from the owner, to the VP, and also down the GM and Scouting.

They said Zambrano would be gone no matter the price, and he was. They said they were going to emphasize the farm regardless of the parent club, and they have. They said they were not going to waver from the plan despite public disapproval, and they haven't. They said that pitching would be the primary focus (although not as much as I would like), and it has been.

So when they all say that Tanaka is the main target, why should I feel any different?

What does the above rant have anything to do with which off season is better odds wise for the Cubs to actually sign him? :shrug:

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[patg006]

Maybe because he doesn't think Theo is some genius.

Ever think of that?

That's a groundbreaking, earth shattering discovery. A cubs fan who doesn't slurp every ounce of bullshit put forth by Boy Blunder, and actually is demanding results and improvements?

Those fans exist? News to me. I thought the game plan was to just let every prospect fill out the 2017 line up card. My method not necessary.

+1 to you, Captain.

:dontsay:

DJ--I'm going to be as civil as I can, not to blemish your very delicate sensibility. I'm pessimistic because I hold the guy who has said things like 'every season is sacred' and 'the goal every year is to win the world series' accountable for his actions, or gigantic lack thereof in his what, going on 3rd year here? I don't buy prospects, that's why they're called prospects. I hope they make it, but know many wont. That's the facts, kiddies. Must have been the millionth time I've stated this.

I want a middle ground, and know there is one. What should make YOU pessimistic is that Epstein isnt even TRYING to get there.

I am flattered, however. You decided to dedicate a thread to me. You called me your buddy.

 

[Boobaby1]

What does the above rant have anything to do with which off season is better odds wise for the Cubs to actually sign him? :shrug:

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Because, more teams will be in the mix next year like Boston, and any time you have less competition, the better your chances are of signing someone. The Yankees continue to spend this year and Boston isn't in the mix. That is two somewhat handicapped players right there. Take advantage of it.

 

[Boobaby1]

That's a groundbreaking, earth shattering discovery. A cubs fan who doesn't slurp every ounce of bullshit put forth by Boy Blunder, and actually is demanding results and improvements?

Those fans exist? News to me. I thought the game plan was to just let every prospect fill out the 2017 line up card. My method not necessary.

+1 to you, Captain.

:dontsay:

DJ--I'm going to be as civil as I can, not to blemish your very delicate sensibility. I'm pessimistic because I hold the guy who has said things like 'every season is sacred' and 'the goal every year is to win the world series' accountable for his actions, or gigantic lack thereof in his what, going on 3rd year here? I don't buy prospects, that's why they're called prospects. I hope they make it, but know many wont. That's the facts, kiddies. Must have been the millionth time I've stated this.

I want a middle ground, and know there is one. What should make YOU pessimistic is that Epstein isnt even TRYING to get there.

I am flattered, however. You decided to dedicate a thread to me. You called me your buddy.

Isn't Capt'n Serious a Sox fan?

 

[brett05]

Because, more teams will be in the mix next year like Boston, and any time you have less competition, the better your chances are of signing someone. The Yankees continue to spend this year and Boston isn't in the mix. That is two somewhat handicapped players right there. Take advantage of it.

I have yet to see where both are out. Have those two clubs said as much?

 

[Boobaby1]

I have yet to see where both are out. Have those two clubs said as much?

Never said they were out. I said they were at a disadvantage technically. Any owner can outbid another if they want. It all boils down to who wants him the most.

Are you disagreeing that the Yankees freeing up 55 million next year and the BoSox freeing up 67 million won't be in better shape to make a stronger bid versus the Cubs freeing up only 13 million?

 

[brett05]

Never said they were out. I said they were at a disadvantage technically. Any owner can outbid another if they want. It all boils down to who wants him the most.

Are you disagreeing that the Yankees freeing up 55 million next year and the BoSox freeing up 67 million won't be in better shape to make a stronger bid versus the Cubs freeing up only 13 million?

I am. They have no need to nickel and dime it

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[Boobaby1]

I am. They have no need to nickel and dime it

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And the Cubs do? They have spent 37 million for two players to play for another team and are rumored to possibly do it with E-Jax if needed.

Yeap! Sounds like they are hurting to me.

 

[brett05]

And the Cubs do? They have spent 37 million for two players to play for another team and are rumored to possibly do it with E-Jax if needed.

Yeap! Sounds like they are hurting to me.

The moves to date with the new ownership, the mounted debt, sure seems to be watching the money.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Maybe because he doesn't think Theo is some genius.

Ever think of that?

I swear for the life of me that I've never seen anyone here at CCS refer to Theo as a genius.

I too am frustrated that he thinks we're fine with Barney and Valbuena to hold down our infield to start the season.

I too hope we don't trade Samardzija and would like to see us sign him to a long-term deal.

I also would have had no problems had we signed Granderson to the contract the Mets gave him.

However, I also realize that our team president has two more World Series rings than any of us have combined.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

DJ--I'm going to be as civil as I can, not to blemish your very delicate sensibility. I'm pessimistic because I hold the guy who has said things like 'every season is sacred' and 'the goal every year is to win the world series' accountable for his actions, or gigantic lack thereof in his what, going on 3rd year here? I don't buy prospects, that's why they're called prospects. I hope they make it, but know many wont. That's the facts, kiddies. Must have been the millionth time I've stated this.

I want a middle ground, and know there is one. What should make YOU pessimistic is that Epstein isnt even TRYING to get there.

Middle ground? He tried your so-called "middle ground" by going after Sanchez and ending up with Jackson - It hasn't worked so far, and you're still complaining.

And of course every season is sacred to Theo. Why else would he fire his own guy Sveum? Because he's not getting the results from he's looking for from certain individual players, and the manager is kind of responsible for player development. Same reason he's dangled Samardzija on the trade market. He knows Shark is coming off a down year and wants to guage his trade value and see if he could find someone with greater upside.

So yeah, next time be sure you back up the blanket statements you pick out of your ass.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Cubs fans fighting.

He'll laugh when Theo gets fired. Hence, he's rooting against his own team to try and prove a point.

His words, not mine. Again, congrats on your 15 minutes of fame. You're only friends on here are White Sox fans.

 

[patg006]

He'll laugh when Theo gets fired. Hence, he's rooting against his own team to try and prove a point.

His words, not mine. Again, congrats on your 15 minutes of fame. You're only friends on here are White Sox fans.

White sox fans are smarter than many of the cubs fans on this board.

That says something.

 

[patg006]

Middle ground? He tried your so-called "middle ground" by going after Sanchez and ending up with Jackson - It hasn't worked so far, and you're still complaining.

And of course every season is sacred to Theo. Why else would he fire his own guy Sveum? Because he's not getting the results from he's looking for from certain individual players, and the manager is kind of responsible for player development. Same reason he's dangled Samardzija on the trade market. He knows Shark is coming off a down year and wants to guage his trade value and see if he could find someone with greater upside.

So yeah, next time be sure you back up the blanket statements you pick out of your ass.

Signing 1 player. 1 guy. That's a middle ground? Are you fucking kidding me? 1 guy and it hasn't work. I didn't know Edwin Jackson was responsible for leading the team offensively.

Dumbass.

Brad Bugosevich, Darnell McDonald, and Darwin Barney played positions that couldn't be upgraded. It was all on Edwin Jackson and his gigantic contract.

Gauge the value of Shark? He asked the Braves for one of their 2 premier hitters. He's asking more for Shark than the Rays are for David Price. But he knows what he's doing, right?

And I'm the one who needs to back up his statements?

LIQIS

 

[HurricaneDij39]

He was willing to go to $75 million for a guy that wasn't even an ace (Anibal Sanchez). Bogusevic and McDonald didn't even start for the Cubs, and I agree that Barney's position needs to be upgraded.

And how is it foolish to ask for a primer hitter in return for Shark? Considering he's the top pitcher potentially on the trade market outside of David Price even coming off a bad year, I think it was quite smart. Worst case scenario he's still with the team in 2014, and you're the one who keeps ranting "Don't trade Shark, Don't trade Shark! like a broken record.

Still a hypocrite. And his name is Brian Bogusevic, but what do you know. He got traded, so that's one less guy you can ***** about.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

And the Cubs do? They have spent 37 million for two players to play for another team and are rumored to possibly do it with E-Jax if needed.

Yeap! Sounds like they are hurting to me.

I'd be interested in seeing your sources on that one. I don't believe they are hurting financially, but I also don't believe they'd eat the rest of Jackson's contract, unless of course he somehow completely bottoms out next year and has a worse year than he did in 2013.

 

[nickofypres]

He'll laugh when Theo gets fired. Hence, he's rooting against his own team to try and prove a point.

His words, not mine. Again, congrats on your 15 minutes of fame. You're only friends on here are White Sox fans.

I defended Theo, Hoyer, Ricketts, and the Cubs, bro... (wrong "you're" btw )

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/...I-don-t-care?p=1150745&viewfull=1#post1150745

 

[Boobaby1]

I'd be interested in seeing your sources on that one. I don't believe they are hurting financially, but I also don't believe they'd eat the rest of Jackson's contract, unless of course he somehow completely bottoms out next year and has a worse year than he did in 2013.

My sources? Have you been asleep when the Cubs ate all of Zambrano's 18 million and paid the Yankees 19 million for Soriano to play for them. My math sources say that that equals 37 million. Let me check again. Yeap! They said 37 million.

And if they ate it before, my sources say they will do it again.

It's called common sense. But, I guess if it were so common, everybody would have it. :smh: