I don't care...

[patg006]

Except Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson, and.... Brent Lillibridge

Do they need Granderson with Elsbury, Soriano, Wells, Gardner, and Ichiro? Nope.

Cano wanted money. You're full of shit if you thought at the beginning of November that the Mariners would be major players for him and shell out that many years and that much money. I sure as shit didn't see them doing that. Yanks played hardball and their president Randy Levine outright said 'we didn't want to give him that many years, you do that for a guy like Mike Trout.'

Yanks wanted a great catcher and got it. Wanted an excellent lead off or #2 hitter/on base guy, got it. Now they need starting pitching. Biding their time for it.

The small market cubs will not beat them out for Tanaka unless Tanaka visits NYY and hates the place. They'd still have to offer a bigger contract than the Dodgers, Giants, Astros, Angels, and Diamondbacks; all whom have been linked to buying.

 

[beckdawg]

The posting fee is a 1 time payment that does not count against the salary cap.

That's not the point I was getting at. What I'm saying is the front office likely have around a $100-110 mil max budget based on ownership since that's where Theo and company have been the past 2 years. They currently have around $60 mil in expenditures. If you add $20 mil posting fee along with a $15 mil aav salary that puts them at $95 mil of that $100-110 mil. If that is what the front office is planning it explains their lack of real interest in adding more than no-name FA types because literally Tanaka would be all that's left in their budget. If that's what the front office is doing then I'm fine with it.

 

[brett05]

So you're ok with outrageous ticket prices and tiny payrolls for the Cubs

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[patg006]

So you're ok with outrageous ticket prices and tiny payrolls for the Cubs

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Some of us are not.

We are labeled as the "nonbelievers who believe in nothing but handing out gigantic contracts to past-prime players."

We never could want our team to be smart, do that crazy 'both' witchcraft that gets prospect slurpers' panties in a bunch......

 

[beckdawg]

Some of us are not.

We are labeled as the "nonbelievers who believe in nothing but handing out gigantic contracts to past-prime players."

We never could want our team to be smart, do that crazy 'both' witchcraft that gets prospect slurpers' panties in a bunch......

Think you're being a bit dramatic here. I've repeatedly said you can make an impact in FA if you spend wisely though I've been more for the scatter shot approach rather than lumping it all on one player. I just don't see the point in endlessly complaining about what the cubs are spending. For one, no one here can do a thing about it. If it's a principal stand your making, then don't go to games or buy cubs gear. No one's forcing you to go. I've not seen the cubs play live in years and have no plans to see them live next year. Complaining about it here does absolutely nothing other than annoy people.

The reality is whether we like it or not the front office probably only has $100-110 mil to spend for the foreseeable future. And given that situation, using $35 mil($20 mil posting + $15 mil aav) of this year's budget to land Tanaka is likely the best move they can make. You can dream all you'd like about paying Cano $24 mil a year but it's just that, a dream. It doesn't matter if the front office should have more money. They clearly don't and even someone like Boras said as much. It's an ownership issue.

 

[theberserkfury]

So you're ok with outrageous ticket prices and tiny payrolls for the Cubs

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$100-110 million payroll is tiny...?

 

[brett05]

Think you're being a bit dramatic here. I've repeatedly said you can make an impact in FA if you spend wisely though I've been more for the scatter shot approach rather than lumping it all on one player. I just don't see the point in endlessly complaining about what the cubs are spending. For one, no one here can do a thing about it. If it's a principal stand your making, then don't go to games or buy cubs gear. No one's forcing you to go. I've not seen the cubs play live in years and have no plans to see them live next year. Complaining about it here does absolutely nothing other than annoy people.

Neither does constant approval

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[brett05]

$100-110 million payroll is tiny...?

You keep erroring with the posting fee

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[chibears55]

Neither does constant approval

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not that we approve.. its just accepting and allowing them the chance to do what their doing and see where it ends up... this ownership has put their money into the academy, new ST facility, and WF. something no other previous owners wanted to do. fans should appreciate that.

new management came in with a plan to fix and beef up a poor farm system, and in 2 yrs they have done that..

now with the next couple yrs, we will see how it pays off on the major league side as they implement these kids with with players received via trades and FAs...

like what was said above, constantly complaining on a message board not going to change the cubs mind on what their doing. . most dont disagree with those thoughts, we just accept that it not going to happen now and go along with the process their taking with our thoughts/comments.

 

[Boobaby1]

Some of us are not.

We are labeled as the "nonbelievers who believe in nothing but handing out gigantic contracts to past-prime players."

We never could want our team to be smart, do that crazy 'both' witchcraft that gets prospect slurpers' panties in a bunch......

Anything short of not landing Tanaka is going to be a complete failure IMO. If not, tell me where are the Cubs going to get good pitching, and at what cost would it be to the farm?

Don't think it will? Try landing an ACE for anything less than something like Almora, Johnson/Edwards, Black, and Vogelbach if that is even good enough, then look what's left in the farm.

Sure, Shark could land some talent, but you are also giving up one starter to hopefully get another at at least equal value, and then hope the other players fill a need elsewhere.

I think people also fail to realize that if the Cubs signed Tanaka, not only would it put the big fish in your pond, but what does one Jeff Samardzija become value-wise to other teams or does it do for the Cubs to possibly extend him? It has all the makings of a win/win for the Cubs. opcorn:

 

[patg006]

Think you're being a bit dramatic here. I've repeatedly said you can make an impact in FA if you spend wisely though I've been more for the scatter shot approach rather than lumping it all on one player. I just don't see the point in endlessly complaining about what the cubs are spending. For one, no one here can do a thing about it. If it's a principal stand your making, then don't go to games or buy cubs gear. No one's forcing you to go. I've not seen the cubs play live in years and have no plans to see them live next year. Complaining about it here does absolutely nothing other than annoy people.

The reality is whether we like it or not the front office probably only has $100-110 mil to spend for the foreseeable future. And given that situation, using $35 mil($20 mil posting + $15 mil aav) of this year's budget to land Tanaka is likely the best move they can make. You can dream all you'd like about paying Cano $24 mil a year but it's just that, a dream. It doesn't matter if the front office should have more money. They clearly don't and even someone like Boras said as much. It's an ownership issue.

Ah yes, the intelligent response of 'stop complaining, if you don't like what they're serving, then dont buy it and go somewhere else.'

Boo put it correctly, if the cubs don't land Tanaka, this will be a failure.

 

[beckdawg]

Ah yes, the intelligent response of 'stop complaining, if you don't like what they're serving, then dont buy it and go somewhere else.'

What do you want people to say? You're not doing anything to make the situation better because none of us can change your gripes. And surely you realize that sitting and listening to someone constantly whine gets old. You have 2 options: 1) Accept the situation for what is or 2) find a different team. If you're unwilling to do those two I don't know what to tell you. Just because some of us are willing to accept the situation for what it is doesn't mean we 100% approve of everything the team has done/is doing.

 

[chibears55]

what does one Jeff Samardzija become value-wise to other teams or does it do for the Cubs to possibly extend him?

here my thoughts on the samardzija thing...

the cubs are in no rush to trade or extend samardzija now..
they can go all off season and into july with their asking price of 2 top pitching prospects, knowing they have another off season and trade deadline to move him if they choose.. yes the asking price may go down depending on how he pitches and him having only one yr of control left, but it also gives them a season to reevaluate him and see if he worth extending and how much.

as far as Tanaka goes... 4 or 5 yrs may be good enough if he looking to have another shot at a payday via FA when he 30/31, otherwise it may take 6-7 yrs to get his attention... money wise, he really no difference then a 21 YO top prospect.. we really don't know how he will perform until he does ( a lottery )..
so, how much might be too much, I guess it depends on the yrs he takes.. me, if its 4-5 yrs id offer 18-20 per, if its 6-7 yrs id stay close to 15 per.. if he ends up a dud, you don't want to be trapped..

 

[chibears55]

Anything short of not landing Tanaka is going to be a complete failure IMO. If not, tell me where are the Cubs going to get good pitching, and at what cost would it be to the farm?

if your talking about this year, their only hope is they get a surprise player in house that takes a big leap..

next yr and beyond, theres always a top pitcher that comes available via FA or trade every year.. also, look at some of the top starters we been hoping theyd sign or trade for the last couple of yrs and look at where they were drafted, most past the 2nd round..
the cubs have drafted a lot of pitchers the last 2 yrs, theres always that chance one becomes that guy...

 

[brett05]

Why is it praise the tea m or else? Why is critical evaluation ignored by so many?

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[chibears55]

Why is it praise the tea m or else? Why is critical evaluation ignored by so many?

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could say the oppo by the way some respond on here..
why is it be critical or else?
why is just accepting what their doing cause it not gonna change always have to be challenged?
most of us who just accept what their doing dont 100% care for it but just choose not to have every post be criticism of every move made..
cant change management mind so might as well go with it and post thoughts about what they are trying to do.

 

[brett05]

could say the oppo by the way some respond on here..
why is it be critical or else?
why is just accepting what their doing cause it not gonna change always have to be challenged?
most of us who just accept what their doing dont 100% care for it but just choose not to have every post be criticism of every move made..
cant change management mind so might as well go with it and post thoughts about what they are trying to do.

Critical analysis is not the opposite of acceptance. Constant dumping without being realistic would be the opposite. Even teams like the Cubs, Astros, and White Sox have things to be praised. However, when you never mention the negatives no one would ever think anything other than approval of team's actions 100%.

Critical analysis is the middle ground which we should all be at.

 

[brett05]

It's like the "both" thing that keeps getting brought up and rightly so. You can praise and criticize a team at the same time like you can build the minors and work on the major league club at the same time.

The thing those that refuse critical analysis refuse to admit is that the owners put themselves in this situation. No year will be wasted, the goal every year is to win the World Series. Ticket prices keep staying in the top 10-15% of all of baseball. This is brought upon themselves.

Those that have preached both have not said working on the minors has been wrong. If anything it's been great minus the lack of focus on pitching. See critical analysis. It's both.

How can you Cub Fans not see this? Too Many Cub Fans and not enough Cub/Baseball Fans is what I got.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Last I checked, your White Sox lost even more games in 2013 than we did. And it looks as if trading away a good young lefty in Santiago was the latest genius move by the great Kenny Williams.

I'm not sure what your point is, here. We're talking about two different organizations, with very different philosophies about how to win. Obviously, the Sox have had much more success than the Cubs have within the last 20 years or so, but I digress. I'm not here to argue over Sox vs. Cubs. I want you guys to win a world championship, and I think the fan base is more deserving than anyone to see this happen. But I don't like the Cubs' small market approach to building a winning team, and neither should you.

 

[chibears55]

However, when you never mention the negatives no one would ever think anything other than approval of team's actions 100%.

most do mention the negatives, like stewart, and the Jackson contract but most just don't dwell on it over and over again..
we give our displeasure and move on, that's why it seems like no one else cares or mentions it...

yes, theres a select few who posts that every move made is golden, I just think their doing that to get under the other select few who thinks that 99.9% of their moves are garbage skin and that's where I think is why we have some BS threads and posts on here..