I don't care...

[chibears55]

Those that have preached both have not said working on the minors has been wrong. If anything it's been great minus the lack of focus on pitching. See critical analysis. It's both.

no one saying you cant dislike the direction their taking, its just that we don't need to hear it every day cause its not going to change anything..
we don't disagree they can do both, they decided to first build up the minors and then work on the parent club.. all of our complaining and moaning on a message board not going to change that.. so, instead of complaining everyday about the same thing for the last 2 years, you talk about what their actually working on and improving and come up with thoughts and ideas based on the process their taking..

their not signing guys like pujols, Hamilton, cano etc (30+ YO ) for 10 yrs 200 mil contracts its just not gonna happen like it or not.
so instead of dwelling on that everyday, talk about what they are doing and the process their taking...

 

[Boobaby1]

It's like the "both" thing that keeps getting brought up and rightly so. You can praise and criticize a team at the same time like you can build the minors and work on the major league club at the same time.

The thing those that refuse critical analysis refuse to admit is that the owners put themselves in this situation. No year will be wasted, the goal every year is to win the World Series. Ticket prices keep staying in the top 10-15% of all of baseball. This is brought upon themselves.

Those that have preached both have not said working on the minors has been wrong. If anything it's been great minus the lack of focus on pitching. See critical analysis. It's both.

How can you Cub Fans not see this? Too Many Cub Fans and not enough Cub/Baseball Fans is what I got.

Amen to that!

 

[theberserkfury]

You keep erroring with the posting fee

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For one thing, this is the first time I've mentioned anything... but like beck already said, yes, the posting fee wouldn't count towards salary or luxury tax (if we were in that range) but you can't just ignore it as a cost (even if it's just this year)...

 

[brett05]

For one thing, this is the first time I've mentioned anything... but like beck already said, yes, the posting fee wouldn't count towards salary or luxury tax (if we were in that range) but you can't just ignore it as a cost (even if it's just this year)...

You can toward 2014 payroll

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[brett05]

Doesn't matter. New York Post says Tanaka being kept thru 2014 season

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[CSF77]

Doesn't matter. New York Post says Tanaka being kept thru 2014 season

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Golden Eagles Trying To Convince Tanaka To Stay In Japan
By Steve Adams [December 16 at 8:18am CST]
The Rakuten Golden Eagles will try to convince Masahiro Tanaka to stay in Japan for one more season, according to a Sponichi Report passed along by NPB Tracker's Patrick Newman (Twitter link). Taking things a step further, a source indicated over the weekend to George A. King III of the New York Post that Tanaka won't be posted until after the 2014 season.

Of course, the Golden Eagles do not need Tanaka's consent to retain him for another season. However, denying their ace of his wish to come to the United States may not look good to the public and could damage the club's relationship with Tanaka and other players down the line. Last Sunday, Golden Eagles president Yozo Tachibana told reporters that he would likely post Tanaka is he wished to come to MLB.

Reports since then have indicated that the team would struggle with the decision of whether or not to allow Tanaka to come to the Major Leagues or hold him back due to displeasure with the new posting system. As of last Tuesday, Tachibana was planning to speak with Tanaka this week regarding the decision, and assistant GM Aki Sasaki went on record as saying: "I don't know if $20 million is fair value for this kind of trade" (per Yahoo's Jeff Passan).

If there is indeed an announcement that Tanaka will remain in Japan for another season, the starting pitching market should accelerate quickly, with names like Matt Garza, Ervin Santana and Ubaldo Jimenez seeing their stocks rise significantly.

 

[CSF77]

The Cubs have a better chance of getting him if he holds another year. Baez and Bryant should be on the team at that point. That is when you would want to think on taking this team to the next level.

If he posts this year the chances are slim he looks at the Cubs.

Other words if he doesn't post then the competition will panic and get locked up into Garza etc thus making them less likely to get involves with Tanaka te following year.

 

[brett05]

The Cubs have a better chance of getting him if he holds another year. Baez and Bryant should be on the team at that point. That is when you would want to think on taking this team to the next level.

If he posts this year the chances are slim he looks at the Cubs.

Other words if he doesn't post then the competition will panic and get locked up into Garza etc thus making them less likely to get involves with Tanaka te following year.

Agree with the first part, but disagree severely with the second. Pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

 

[Boobaby1]

The Cubs have a better chance of getting him if he holds another year. Baez and Bryant should be on the team at that point. That is when you would want to think on taking this team to the next level.

If he posts this year the chances are slim he looks at the Cubs.

Other words if he doesn't post then the competition will panic and get locked up into Garza etc thus making them less likely to get involves with Tanaka te following year.

(Chuckles) I disagree with the first part. I don't know why anyone thinks that the Cubs regardless of Baez or Bryant being up find themselves in a better position next year to ink Tanaka than this year.

As I've said before, the Yankees and Dodgers are hamstrung right now because of filling certain spots on the roster and/or already tied up assets.

That all changes next year because the Yankees alone will have Jeter, Ichiro, and Wells off of the books for starters which is 40 million right there, and they are already a team that plays hardball when it comes to free agents.

Now if Tanaka isn't posted this year, you can probably add another team into the fold as well because the Red Sox will now have Peavy, Dempster, Ortiz, Lackey, Gomes, and AJ Pierzynski coming off of the books, freeing up 67 million and obviously another team in need of pitching.

If Tanaka posts this year, this is the time to pounce, not next year.

 

[brett05]

(Chuckles) I disagree with the first part. I don't know why anyone thinks that the Cubs regardless of Baez or Bryant being up find themselves in a better position next year to ink Tanaka than this year.

As I've said before, the Yankees and Dodgers are hamstrung right now because of filling certain spots on the roster and/or already tied up assets.

That all changes next year because the Yankees alone will have Jeter, Ichiro, and Wells off of the books for starters which is 40 million right there, and they are already a team that plays hardball when it comes to free agents.

Now if Tanaka isn't posted this year, you can probably add another team into the fold as well because the Red Sox will now have Peavy, Dempster, Ortiz, Lackey, Gomes, and AJ Pierzynski coming off of the books, freeing up 67 million and obviously another team in need of pitching.

If Tanaka posts this year, this is the time to pounce, not next year.

1) The Yanks and Dodgers have oodles of cash and are not restricted mostly due to the TV contracts.
2) If Baez and Bryant can be produtive (AKA in the talks for NL rookie of the year. Not win it, just in the mix), than the Cubs are a better and more promising team in 2015 than right now going into 2014. That means the Cubs have a a shot at getting a guy like him thanks to the team not being a chunk blower as they are right now.
3) If Baez and Bryant fail to make the team or fail in the bigs, the Cubs are in no different place than they are right now.

 

[SilenceS]

1) The Yanks and Dodgers have oodles of cash and are not restricted mostly due to the TV contracts.
2) If Baez and Bryant can be produtive (AKA in the talks for NL rookie of the year. Not win it, just in the mix), than the Cubs are a better and more promising team in 2015 than right now going into 2014. That means the Cubs have a a shot at getting a guy like him thanks to the team not being a chunk blower as they are right now.
3) If Baez and Bryant fail to make the team or fail in the bigs, the Cubs are in no different place than they are right now.

I think people are hinging to much on Bryant being up fast. A lot of scouts see Baez getting up there by June/July, but most don't see Bryant until September. Very few players make it to the majors in less than a year. No matter how good they were in college. If Bryant is up by june or july, it means one or two things. He absolutely destroyed minor league pitching or the Cubs are desperate to quiet down a fan base or both.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Hasn't Kenny won a championship doing some crazy little both thing?

Could have sworn......

And Theo has won two of those. But that's not stopping you from blaming him for all the Cubs' woes now does it?

 

[HurricaneDij39]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Don't tell cubs fans you can win a world series without a stacked farm system!

They're delicate.

Just because the White Sox farm system is in such sorry shape now doesn't mean it was in the same sorry shape in 2005. As you can see, Hahn has been forced to clean up Williams' mess by trading two know commodities, Santiago and Reed, for two of Arizona's top prospects they apparently didn't feel to highly of - Eaton and Davidson.

 

[nickofypres]

I'm not here to argue over Sox vs. Cubs. I want you guys to win a world championship, and I think the fan base is more deserving than anyone to see this happen. But I don't like the Cubs' small market approach to building a winning team, and neither should you.

Agreed on all three parts, but I understand where the Cubs are coming from.

The point of the small market approach is the build up the farm, and hope talent builds, develops, and can can be brought up to Chicago around the same time Ricketts pays off his debts, and renovates Wrigley.

I mean, sure, the Cubs could spend a ton of money again, but given the talent in Chicago, it would only get them around 80some wins, which isn't worth it. Its similar to what the Sox situation would have been entering 2014. Cubs are much better off spending money when the core is up, assuming it develops, and signing players to compliment the team.

Both teams have different approaches, and its fine. I wish the Cubs all the best, and I hope we have many more seasons like 2008 where both teams are in the playoffs at the same time.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

And I'm gonna laugh at you when you he gets fired because the magical line ups of all prospects you slurpers all :fap: to has only 2 of them in 2017 and the small market cubs are in the same boat every other team trying to only build the farm for the sake of ignoring the ML team do. Miss the playoffs constantly

I'm also gonna laugh at you because you're just an idiot.

And you wonder why people call you pessimistic...

Rooting for Theo and the Cubs to fail just so you could be validated by your fellow Cub fans.

Hypocrite.

 

[nickofypres]

Cubs fans fighting.

 

[Capt. Serious]

And you wonder why people call you pessimistic...

Rooting for Theo and the Cubs to fail just so you could be validated by your fellow Cub fans.

Hypocrite.

Maybe because he doesn't think Theo is some genius.

Ever think of that?

 

[Boobaby1]

1) The Yanks and Dodgers have oodles of cash and are not restricted mostly due to the TV contracts.
2) If Baez and Bryant can be produtive (AKA in the talks for NL rookie of the year. Not win it, just in the mix), than the Cubs are a better and more promising team in 2015 than right now going into 2014. That means the Cubs have a a shot at getting a guy like him thanks to the team not being a chunk blower as they are right now.
3) If Baez and Bryant fail to make the team or fail in the bigs, the Cubs are in no different place than they are right now.

And if the Cubs overpay Tanaka like they should, they can rely on the rest of the cheap minor leaguers that are coming through the system to offset his contract in a major way, even if they extend Wood and trade Shark. They could backfill the rotation with Arrieta, Rusin, and/or Hendricks to keep the rotation cheap which would be about 43 million for the entire staff, and 13 million of that going to E-Jax.

Plus, wouldn't it be better to land a guy like Tanaka and have him pitch the better part of a year before the youth starts to arrive to establish himself, and also have the media frenzy in Chicago go haywire every time he pitches?

The Cubs could use a buzz-factor, and Tanaka is the one to do it IMO.

 

[Icculus]

Just because the White Sox farm system is in such sorry shape now doesn't mean it was in the same sorry shape in 2005. As you can see, Hahn has been forced to clean up Williams' mess by trading two know commodities, Santiago and Reed, for two of Arizona's top prospects they apparently didn't feel to highly of - Eaton and Davidson.

Kevin Towers is the Diamondbacks' GM and he's running that team into the ground the way he fucked up San Diego prior to Jed Hoyer becoming that team's GM. Also, closers are a dime a dozen and since the Sox already have Sale and Quintana and aren't going to get anything beyond some salary relief for Danks at this point, Hector was expendable.

 

[Icculus]

Furthermore, if the link from CNN that beckdawg posted is legit, don't expect Tanaka or any big name Free Agent to go to the North Side until at least 2016, due to the agreement between the Rickets and the Trib that was cut in order for the former to purchase the Cubs.