I don't care...

[HurricaneDij39]

Cry to the mods then; ain't that how you got KB and MS banned? I don't attack any poster with a well thought out, rational post--even if it differs from my opinion. DJ is the antithesis to 'well thought out' and 'rational.'

You post nonsense like this and I got no problem being James Harrison on a defenseless receiver over the middle.

It's your attitude toward your fellow fans, not difference of opinion, that's going to eventually get you banned.

Keep in mind this pat006 guy once claimed that mountsalami is a baseball guru.:roll:

 

[DewsSox79]

Kenny Williams is your team president just like Epstein is ours.

theo has more control than KW. KW has the position because he wanted to step away from the everyday 24/7 stress of a job. hes basically getting paid to be an asst to the team. Hahn is calling the shots.

 

[patg006]

It's your attitude toward your fellow fans, not difference of opinion, that's going to eventually get you banned.

Keep in mind this pat006 guy once claimed that mountsalami is a baseball guru.:roll:

I said KB--but thanks for playing, dj. Your intelligence knows no bounds. You still could never top RCub. Unless you start going for copy and pasted 'top 10 lists'.

Fellow fans? I'm stuck with a lot of homers, :fap: squads, and people who call me pessimistic because I oppose Boy Blunder's grand, master plan based on reality and numerous examples of other teams doing what the Cubs are doing now and failing miserably. But somehow my fellow fans think the cubs will be the one exception to the norm.

Keep the stupidity coming, dumbass. I'm not going anywhere.

 

[patg006]

theo has more control than KW. KW has the position because he wanted to step away from the everyday 24/7 stress of a job. hes basically getting paid to be an asst to the team. Hahn is calling the shots.

Hasn't Kenny won a championship doing some crazy little both thing?

Could have sworn......

 

[nickofypres]

Welcome to Chicago fans in general.

:yep:

 

[nickofypres]

Hasn't Kenny won a championship doing some crazy little both thing?

Could have sworn......

Nah, he was the GM when they won it.

I don't know if Hahn was the assistant or not at that point. I know of Hahn's existence since at least 2008.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

bounce back to what? an overpaid 4th starter? Ive seem him pitch when he was considered "good" when he was with the sox...and if thats good than randy wells is cy young.



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Edwin Jackson has been a part of two world series teams, the '08 Rays and the '11 Cardinals. From 2008 through 2012, he posted a 4.06 ERA in 996 innings pitched with 766 strikeouts. He also has a career 3.51 ERA at your beloved Cell, among the top hitters parks in baseball. Considering we have the pitcher's spot in the order to work with, that success should be able to translate to Wrigley in some capacity.

But, go ahead and be my guest and take your Randy Wells.

 

[Icculus]

Hasn't Kenny won a championship doing some crazy little both thing?

Could have sworn......

Wasn't really both. He was always trying to get to the playoffs every year and wasn't much of a long-term planner. The farm system other than a trading chip like Brandon McCarthy was pretty barren during KW's tenure as Sox GM. He routinely emptied it which worked when he acquired guys like Jim Thome, Carl Everett, Jose Contreras, and Freddy Garcia or other team's prospects like John Danks (pre-injury of course), but not so much when trading for over the hill players like Griffey, Robbie Alomar (twice!), shitbags like Nick "one of my least favorite White Sox players ever" Swisher. or crappy middle relievers like Tony Pena. Also, Kenny drafted Brian Anderson, Lance Broadway, Josh Fields, Aaron Poreda, Gordon Beckham, and Jared Mitchell in the First Round. He does deserve credit for putting together a World Series champion, but the system was close to nothing when Kenny got his promotion.

 

[patg006]

Wasn't really both. He was always trying to get to the playoffs every year and wasn't much of a long-term planner. The farm system other than a trading chip like Brandon McCarthy was pretty barren during KW's tenure as Sox GM. He routinely emptied it which worked when he acquired guys like Jim Thome, Carl Everett, Jose Contreras, and Freddy Garcia or other team's prospects like John Danks (pre-injury of course), but not so much when trading for over the hill players like Griffey, Robbie Alomar (twice!), shitbags like Nick "one of my least favorite White Sox players ever" Swisher. or crappy middle relievers like Tony Pena. Also, Kenny drafted Brian Anderson, Lance Broadway, Josh Fields, Aaron Poreda, Gordon Beckham, and Jared Mitchell in the First Round. He does deserve credit for putting together a World Series champion, but the system was close to barren when Kenny got his promotion.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Don't tell cubs fans you can win a world series without a stacked farm system!

They're delicate.

 

[Bear Pride]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Don't tell cubs fans you can win a world series without a stacked farm system!

They're delicate.

What? The Cubs brass is doing exactly what they said they were going to do. I don't get the criticism myself. If the Cubs, after their 4 year rebuild, have a ton of failed prospects, then yes. But the Cubs said they were going to rebuild the farm system, and then jump in the deep end come year 4 of their rebuild.

So far they've done that. Personally, you kind of Sox fans are running scared, imo. Cuz you know in a couple years, you're gonna be the Cubs bitches.

 

[Sunbiz1]

I don't care about playing favorites between Jim Hendry and Epstein/Hoyer. I don't care enough to talk politics. I don't care about how the Ricketts family operates their budget, or any other soap opera.

I'm just here to support my team the best I can.

When the Cubs handed out $50 million+ to Edwin Jackson after whiffing on Anibal Sanchez, fans complained. And now when the Cubs are holding tight on spending on free agents, fans still complain. Personally, I'm thrilled that we have a management team that won't give in to such a needy fan base. While I am a little disappointed that the Cubs have done nothing to shore up their infield (I'd hate to suffer through another season of Barney/Valbuena), but I also understand that it's a process. Let the baseball people do their thing. After thinking it through, I like the Wesley Wright signing. We needed another lefty to help out James Russell, or perhaps to build up Russell's trade value. While I like Zac Rosscup's raw arsenal, he issues too many walks at this point.

And the Cubs did not sign Edwin Jackson to such a big contract only to move him a year or two later. Get used to him. Players tend to struggle in their first year after signing a big contract (see Beltran, Pujols). Not only that, he's had to adjust to Wrigley moving from a pitcher's park in Washington, and I think he will. He's pitched effectively at the Cell and I expect a nice bounce back year form him.

Have you looked into just how much the Ricketts family is worth?.

Over a billion...yes billion. They own Ameritrade, that's why fans are complaining about lack of spending.

 

[SilenceS]

Yea, I don't understand how people act like Ricketts is broke. He is running this team exactly how they planned. He uses the cash cow that is the Cubs to pay for his other projects. He is going to make money off more than just the Cubs. I want to see where we wind up payroll rise this year. If it is under 100 million, plus add in the 25 million every team gets from MLB. It will be pretty comical. They have no intentions of bringing down one of the most expensive tickets in baseball.

 

[patg006]

What? The Cubs brass is doing exactly what they said they were going to do. I don't get the criticism myself. If the Cubs, after their 4 year rebuild, have a ton of failed prospects, then yes. But the Cubs said they were going to rebuild the farm system, and then jump in the deep end come year 4 of their rebuild.

So far they've done that. Personally, you kind of Sox fans are running scared, imo. Cuz you know in a couple years, you're gonna be the Cubs bitches.

With what pitching? With what hitting? From where? The fabled farm that cant fail? Uh oh. Another one of the :fap: squad.

You're like the guy who picked the afternoon lotto numbers on the card and just told me after buying a ticket: 'you're not gonna get any of my millions when it wins' when I make a comment about the odds of winning the lottery and how they're not in your favor.

Just like the odds of prospects this hyped making it and being everything they're assumed to be is slim.

But let me know how prospects will work out for the cubs, and not the hundreds of failed attempts by teams trying this during the entire span of baseball.

 

[Chris J]

Ahh im gonna laugh at all of you when the Cubs win the World Series under Theo

 

[brett05]

Ahh im gonna laugh at all of you when the Cubs win the World Series under Theo

I heard he bought a ps4 too

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[patg006]

Ahh im gonna laugh at all of you when the Cubs win the World Series under Theo

And I'm gonna laugh at you when you he gets fired because the magical line ups of all prospects you slurpers all :fap: to has only 2 of them in 2017 and the small market cubs are in the same boat every other team trying to only build the farm for the sake of ignoring the ML team do. Miss the playoffs constantly

I'm also gonna laugh at you because you're just an idiot.

 

[beckdawg]

Yea, I don't understand how people act like Ricketts is broke. He is running this team exactly how they planned. He uses the cash cow that is the Cubs to pay for his other projects. He is going to make money off more than just the Cubs. I want to see where we wind up payroll rise this year. If it is under 100 million, plus add in the 25 million every team gets from MLB. It will be pretty comical. They have no intentions of bringing down one of the most expensive tickets in baseball.

Don't think anyone has said he's going broke. However, you don't rob one investment to pay for another. Each has to be sustainable on it's own. If you can't do that you take the hit and sell off for as much as you can on a sunk cost. That being said, I think they already did their cutting. Forbes had an article that said they were making around $30 mil annually which is roughly what they cut payroll($140 mil -> $100 mil). They still have a fairly massive debt from the team purchase but they are making money.

As for $100 mil mark, I also will be disappointed if they aren't there. I really don't see a reason why they shouldn't be there considering they have been the past 2 years. I'm hoping they are real in their comments about tanaka being a priority. They are at around $60 mil IIRC so if you factor in the $20 mil posting fee and say $15 mil aav that pushes you toward $95 mil for 2014.You then add in some of the minor deals they've made and that pushes them over $100 mil.

If Tanaka doesn't post or chooses someone else, then it gets a bit more tricky. Choo is a possibility but with him wanting 6-7 years I really don't see that happening. They could also get clever with trades. The dbacks gave up the 5th best prospect in their system to save $5 mil on Heath Bell. Maybe the Braves would give up something of value for the cubs to eat 2 years of Uggla's contract. That would also give a semi-interesting gamble to rebound over Barney. Maybe the cubs get in on the Kemp/Crawford/Either OF party with the extra money.

I'm not sure what they would do but I hope they just don't sit and say there's nothing of value out there so we're not spending money. Surely there is someone the Angels, Dodgers, Yanks, or Phillies would want to get rid of to shed some salary that the cubs could take advantage of without giving up a huge prospect package. For example, the Pirates got Burnett from the yanks fairly cheaply and he turned out to be a really good deal for them.

 

[brett05]

Posting fees do not count towards the team salary

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[patg006]

Don't think anyone has said he's going broke. However, you don't rob one investment to pay for another. Each has to be sustainable on it's own. If you can't do that you take the hit and sell off for as much as you can on a sunk cost. That being said, I think they already did their cutting. Forbes had an article that said they were making around $30 mil annually which is roughly what they cut payroll($140 mil -> $100 mil). They still have a fairly massive debt from the team purchase but they are making money.

As for $100 mil mark, I also will be disappointed if they aren't there. I really don't see a reason why they shouldn't be there considering they have been the past 2 years. I'm hoping they are real in their comments about tanaka being a priority. They are at around $60 mil IIRC so if you factor in the $20 mil posting fee and say $15 mil aav that pushes you toward $95 mil for 2014.You then add in some of the minor deals they've made and that pushes them over $100 mil.

If Tanaka doesn't post or chooses someone else, then it gets a bit more tricky. Choo is a possibility but with him wanting 6-7 years I really don't see that happening. They could also get clever with trades. The dbacks gave up the 5th best prospect in their system to save $5 mil on Heath Bell. Maybe the Braves would give up something of value for the cubs to eat 2 years of Uggla's contract. That would also give a semi-interesting gamble to rebound over Barney. Maybe the cubs get in on the Kemp/Crawford/Either OF party with the extra money.

I'm not sure what they would do but I hope they just don't sit and say there's nothing of value out there so we're not spending money. Surely there is someone the Angels, Dodgers, Yanks, or Phillies would want to get rid of to shed some salary that the cubs could take advantage of without giving up a huge prospect package. For example, the Pirates got Burnett from the yanks fairly cheaply and he turned out to be a really good deal for them.

The posting fee is a 1 time payment that does not count against the salary cap. There is a time frame (1 month by old standards, unknown for new) of when the posting needs to be paid in full. If Tanaka would have come out under older posting rules, the cubs surely would not have paid 50 mil in a lump sum to Rakuten.

Under these new rules (20 mil to play) I think the cubs will be in. I also think the Yankees will be in, and they will shell out the most money--ergo getting Tanaka. Cubs won't match what NY will play. NY is serious about winning. Winners get the guys they want, its that simple.

I think its hilarious other NPB teams are willing paying Rakuten so that Tanaka doesn't stay in Japan.

I expect the cubs to settle for Suk Min-Moon from Korea.

 

[Jntg4]

The posting fee is a 1 time payment that does not count against the salary cap. There is a time frame (1 month by old standards, unknown for new) of when the posting needs to be paid in full. If Tanaka would have come out under older posting rules, the cubs surely would not have paid 50 mil in a lump sum to Rakuten.

Under these new rules (20 mil to play) I think the cubs will be in. I also think the Yankees will be in, and they will shell out the most money--ergo getting Tanaka. Cubs won't match what NY will play. NY is serious about winning. Winners get the guys they want, its that simple.

I think its hilarious other NPB teams are willing paying Rakuten so that Tanaka doesn't stay in Japan.

I expect the cubs to settle for Suk Min-Moon from Korea.

Except Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson, and.... Brent Lillibridge