I Miss Ben Gordon

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Diddy1122 wrote:

houheffna wrote:

It should be pointed out that Ben Gordon spent this entire summer in Chicago. In Chicago, not Detroit. Chicago.

Sounds like the actions of a guy who really wanted to leave, right? Sounds more like a guy who was never made an offer, and took the only above MLE offer, that didn't involve a sign and trade, he had on the table.

Sounds like a guy who has ties in Chicago, if he wanted to be in Chicago so badly, he would have signed one of those two contracts. Chicago is a great city for a rich young bachelor. That is probably why he is still here.

You make it sound like he is sitting at the door of the Berto Center Indian style waiting for someone to let him in every morning. He is a grown man, he played hardball...move on.

Ok this is officially the last time I will weigh in on anything about this whole BG situation. The subject is becoming staler than month old wheat bread. Both you guys are right in a sense. Ben did want to be here, that was evident when he wanted to sign the deal last season that Reinsdorf pulled off the table. And yes, he was never made an offer this off season. But at the same time, his agent, who's the real assclown here, never told the Bulls what Detroit had offered. He wanted them to make a blind bid. They, meaning Reinsdorf, was sick of Ray Brothers games so he told him "No Thank You." It sucks because I would've loved to see BG still in a Bulls uni, but people are making this out like it's the greatest injustice in all sports & that's just simply not the case.

Gordon's agent isn't an assclown. He got Gordon $11.8 million a year, which was better than the $10 million or $9 million a year that the Bulls were offering previously.

If the Bulls had wanted to keep Gordon, than they would have made an offer.

The blind offer was a great negotiating tactic by Raymond Brothers. If the Bulls had actually wanted Gordon back (well back for more than the MLE), than they would have put in an offer. With the blind offer, the Bulls are put in a position of guessing what Detroit offered, at which point, the Bulls could have went way over, say $13 million to beat Detroit's offer.

Yet if the Bulls just put in their same offer as last year, of $9 million a year, Brothers can then tell him what the Pistons offered, and give them a chance to match.

There is nothing wrong with the blind offer request. That wasn't a sign that Ben didn't want to be back here. That's just an agent doing his job well.

 

[ramblingrose33]

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It should be pointed out that Ben Gordon spent this entire summer in Chicago. In Chicago, not Detroit. Chicago.



He tried to take a contract with the Bulls, and they said he couldn't have it, which begs the question of whether they would have let him sign the contract, even if he agreed to it in August.

Why shouldn't have Gordon held out until the deadline? The Bulls waited until August before they made Ben a contract offer in restricted free agency. That's an entire month into free agency, that he sat there, with no offer from the Bulls.

The Bulls are all kinds of wrong in the Gordon negotiations, from having one of their employees post on a blog that Gordon turned down a $59 million / 6 year contract....which he was never offered, to having one of their employees write a blog post saying that the trade talks between the Heat/Bulls failed because Gordon refused to take a reasonable contract offer from the Heat (which ended up being a complete pile of crap, and rather trade talks failed....because the Bulls never wanted to trade Gordon to the Heat).

Ok, I'm done here man. Your nuts about this Ben Gordon thing. Let it go.

In the meantime, check out this great interview from the world famous, best basketball player in the world, martyr, Ben Gordon (a Piston): http://www.nba.com/pistons/index_main.html and maybe buy his new jersey. I'm sure it will go over real well at the UC.

 

[houheffna]

Gordon's agent isn't an assclown. He got Gordon $11.8 million a year, which was better than the $10 million or $9 million a year that the Bulls were offering previously.

If the Bulls had wanted to keep Gordon, than they would have made an offer.

The blind offer was a great negotiating tactic by Raymond Brothers. If the Bulls had actually wanted Gordon back (well back for more than the MLE), than they would have put in an offer. With the blind offer, the Bulls are put in a position of guessing what Detroit offered, at which point, the Bulls could have went way over, say $13 million to beat Detroit's offer.

Yet if the Bulls just put in their same offer as last year, of $9 million a year, Brothers can then tell him what the Pistons offered, and give them a chance to match.

There is nothing wrong with the blind offer request. That wasn't a sign that Ben didn't want to be back here. That's just an agent doing his job well.

That makes no damn sense whatsoever, if Gordon had such an affinity for Chicago and his teammates, he lets the organization know what another organization is offering and lets them make a counter offer. Period. You don't play hardball to that level if you want to come back, again, a dumb ass move...if he really wanted to come back.
Then the Bulls made the right move. The last time that was done to my recollection, a drug infected baseball player got a deal for a quarter of a billion dollars....so long BG.

 

[Dpauley23]

Why is everyone still bitching about Gordon? He left deal with it. I can't understand arguement for keeping him when your core would of been Rose, Gordon and Deng

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Gordon's agent isn't an assclown. He got Gordon $11.8 million a year, which was better than the $10 million or $9 million a year that the Bulls were offering previously.

If the Bulls had wanted to keep Gordon, than they would have made an offer.

The blind offer was a great negotiating tactic by Raymond Brothers. If the Bulls had actually wanted Gordon back (well back for more than the MLE), than they would have put in an offer. With the blind offer, the Bulls are put in a position of guessing what Detroit offered, at which point, the Bulls could have went way over, say $13 million to beat Detroit's offer.

Yet if the Bulls just put in their same offer as last year, of $9 million a year, Brothers can then tell him what the Pistons offered, and give them a chance to match.

There is nothing wrong with the blind offer request. That wasn't a sign that Ben didn't want to be back here. That's just an agent doing his job well.

That makes no damn sense whatsoever, if Gordon had such an affinity for Chicago and his teammates, he lets the organization know what another organization is offering and lets them make a counter offer. Period. You don't play hardball to that level if you want to come back, again, a dumb ass move...if he really wanted to come back.
Then the Bulls made the right move. The last time that was done to my recollection, a drug infected baseball player got a deal for a quarter of a billion dollars....so long BG.

How does that not make sense? The bulls had said all along they wanted BG back. They didn't make him an offer and were asked for one. They said nothing. Clearly they are playing games. If they had put forth a good faith effort to resign BG, they would have given him their best offer.

 

[houheffna]

He is gone, its what he wanted, its what the Bulls wanted...I am over it...join me

 

[Diddy1122]

houheffna wrote:

He is gone, its what he wanted, its what the Bulls wanted...I am over it...join me

I'm with Hou. Let go of the past, live in the present, & look towards the future.

 

[TheStig]

Something tells me this will be a reoccuring theme throughout the season, as I don't think we will make the playoffs.

 

[houheffna]

If we don't make the playoffs, its nobody's fault but Bulls coaches and players. We didn't lose anyone that important to send the franchise south...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

If we don't make the playoffs, its nobody's fault but Bulls coaches and players. We didn't lose anyone that important to send the franchise south...

I give up trying to argue this nonsense with you. BG is a quality SG and would make a difference on every team in the league. 20ppg lights out shooters don't grow on trees. If we don't make the playoffs, it is squarely on management. There were easy moves to make us a top ec team if they would spend the lt for one year.

 

[houheffna]

The team can go to the playoffs as is. The team has the players to step in and fill most of that void, while helping to create some kind of defensive identity for the team, which Gordon would not have contributed to. Sorry if the optimism blinds you but I am staying optimistic, the sky is not falling because a decent sg is gone, you like him so much, make sure you make him your first pick in the draft

 

[jsain360]

houheffna wrote:

The team can go to the playoffs as is. The team has the players to step in and fill most of that void, while helping to create some kind of defensive identity for the team, which Gordon would not have contributed to. Sorry if the optimism blinds you but I am staying optimistic, the sky is not falling because a decent sg is gone, you like him so much, make sure you make him your first pick in the draft

LMFAO, I agree, Ben is good not great, good players are replaceable. I expect the Bulls to make the playoffs. The Bulls might win even more games w/o Gordon

 

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Diddy1122 wrote:

houheffna wrote:

He is gone, its what he wanted, its what the Bulls wanted...I am over it...join me

I'm with Hou. Let go of the past, live in the present, & look towards the future.

Diddy, Jerry Reinsdorf played you like a book.

That's how he gets away with this crap. No one is ever holding him accountable, which is exactly what he wants.

Until Reinsdorf is held accountable, we are going to continually lose young big men, trade opportunities for star big men, and top 3 picks in the draft, all for nothing.

 

[TheStig]

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Diddy1122 wrote:

houheffna wrote:

He is gone, its what he wanted, its what the Bulls wanted...I am over it...join me

I'm with Hou. Let go of the past, live in the present, & look towards the future.

Diddy, Jerry Reinsdorf played you like a book.

That's how he gets away with this crap. No one is ever holding him accountable, which is exactly what he wants.

Until Reinsdorf is held accountable, we are going to continually lose young big men, trade opportunities for star big men, and top 3 picks in the draft, all for nothing.

Exactly, this organization has squandered how many top 5 picks? How many of these guys do we still have? Brand, Curry, Chandler, fizer, Williams, BG and soon to be Tyrus. That is what I call an epic failure. Almost all of them were let go or traded for expirings. But keep giving them a free pass, maybe in 5 yrs we might luck into another 1.7% chance.

 

[ramblingrose33]

But Brand, Curry, and Chandler all have huge contracts that people are stuck with. Fizer is Fizer. Whoever wanted that guy any way. And Jay Williams definitely wasn't let go by this organization. He hurt himself badly and even broke stipulations in his contract doing that act. So putting BG in this category is not too complimentary.

 

[clonetrooper264]

ramblingrose33 wrote:

But Brand, Curry, and Chandler all have huge contracts that people are stuck with. Fizer is Fizer. Whoever wanted that guy any way. And Jay Williams definitely wasn't let go by this organization. He hurt himself badly and even broke stipulations in his contract doing that act. So putting BG in this category is not too complimentary.

Apparently the Bulls did. But that was in like the worst draft ever, or maybe 2nd worst, I forget sometimes.

Jay Williams drove his way out of Chicago (pun obviously intended) by nearly killing himself with his motorcycle. Definitely not the organization's fault on that one. In fact, technically speaking, it's his fault the Bulls have Kirk Hinrich (if you view that as a bad thing) since losing the PG of the future caused the Bulls to have a need for another PG of the future...or at least another PG.

 

[Diddy1122]

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Diddy1122 wrote:

houheffna wrote:

He is gone, its what he wanted, its what the Bulls wanted...I am over it...join me

I'm with Hou. Let go of the past, live in the present, & look towards the future.

Diddy, Jerry Reinsdorf played you like a book.

That's how he gets away with this crap. No one is ever holding him accountable, which is exactly what he wants.

Until Reinsdorf is held accountable, we are going to continually lose young big men, trade opportunities for star big men, and top 3 picks in the draft, all for nothing.

Umm....No. I hate Reinsdork just as much as the next guy, but people on here are going absolutely ape over losing BG & I'm sorry it's not as bad as everyone thinks. Sure it will hurt alil bit, but people are forgetting WE STILL HAVE A GOOD TEAM! If Deng comes back fully healthy, which I expect him to, & from what I've read he's up to 235lbs, 5% body fat & has literally lived in the Berto Center all summer, & Rose progresses as expected, this team will be fine. One player does not make or break a team unless it's a superstar & Ben Gordon is not a superstar. Stop treating him like he is.

I've said it a million times, I love BG, & was saddened & angered at how he left, but the past is the past. It's over, it's done, he's not coming back, so move on already.

 

[TheStig]

ramblingrose33 wrote:

But Brand, Curry, and Chandler all have huge contracts that people are stuck with. Fizer is Fizer. Whoever wanted that guy any way. And Jay Williams definitely wasn't let go by this organization. He hurt himself badly and even broke stipulations in his contract doing that act. So putting BG in this category is not too complimentary.

No other team has had 8 top 5 picks in the last 10 years and only had one successful pick out of the group. None of the picks have made it past their rookie deals with us except for TC for one year. That makes the clippers in the 90's look good.

 

[Diddy1122]

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

But Brand, Curry, and Chandler all have huge contracts that people are stuck with. Fizer is Fizer. Whoever wanted that guy any way. And Jay Williams definitely wasn't let go by this organization. He hurt himself badly and even broke stipulations in his contract doing that act. So putting BG in this category is not too complimentary.

No other team has had 8 top 5 picks in the last 10 years and only had one successful pick out of the group. None of the picks have made it past their rookie deals with us except for TC for one year. That makes the clippers in the 90's look good.

Are we forgetting that the majority of those picks were Krause's doing? Just another example of how crappy a GM he was. With the exception of Brand, who was an unanimous #1 pick, Krause swung & missed everytime. And he was the idiot who traded away a 20-10 future all-star for a tub of goo (Curry) & dandy waif (Chandler).

Since Krause, Pax got Kirk, Luol, BG, Thomas, Noah, & Rose all in the lottery. All but BG are still contributing members of this Bulls team. That's not a bad track record at all. And certainly nowhere near Clippers-esque.

 

[ramblingrose33]

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

But Brand, Curry, and Chandler all have huge contracts that people are stuck with. Fizer is Fizer. Whoever wanted that guy any way. And Jay Williams definitely wasn't let go by this organization. He hurt himself badly and even broke stipulations in his contract doing that act. So putting BG in this category is not too complimentary.

Until Reinsdorf is held accountable, we are going to continually lose young big men, trade opportunities for star big men, and top 3 picks in the draft, all for nothing.

No other team has had 8 top 5 picks in the last 10 years and only had one successful pick out of the group. None of the picks have made it past their rookie deals with us except for TC for one year. That makes the clippers in the 90's look good.

So your problem is with ownership. Join the club. Nobody is totally happy with the front office. The arguments on this thread have been about moving on from Ben Gordon because honestly, this site will become really lame if whenever a game passes that Hinrich scores 12 and Gordon scores 21, we have an argument about how bad a team we have and how awful we are without Ben Gordon. People on the whole don't care and want to enjoy the team we have! I think the arguments are heavy right now because we don't want to have them on October 30. What is it going to take for you guys to move on?