I Miss Ben Gordon

[houheffna]

If somebody offers me 54 mil in good/bad/lukewarm/sortofkinda faith and gives me a deadline, i am going to respond by that deadline with something if I want it. A lot of sports teams have negotiations that go sour, its negotiations...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure thats exactly what happened. Gordon decided to accept their offer after their "deadline" and then the Bulls refused to put it back on the table.

Exactly, so Gordon should have accepted before the deadline. He is a grown ass man! We all have deadlines in life and so did he. He should have accepted it or turned it down. His not responding while the deadline passed showed rejection.

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

 

[houheffna]

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

Okay, he worked out a sign and trade that didn't work out. It is still his responsibility to get back to them by that deadline. Why would the Bulls care about Miami or Ben wanting to go there? Ben is just as culpable as the Bulls here...

 

[J-Mart]

No one is denying what Ben did. But if I was running a team, if I had an opportunity to sign a good player to a cheap deal I would do it regardless of whatever deadlines I set.

 

[ramblingrose33]

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure thats exactly what happened. Gordon decided to accept their offer after their "deadline" and then the Bulls refused to put it back on the table.

Exactly, so Gordon should have accepted before the deadline. He is a grown ass man! We all have deadlines in life and so did he. He should have accepted it or turned it down. His not responding while the deadline passed showed rejection.

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

So if he was working on a sign and trade with the Heat, it sounds like he's never really felt comfortable or wanted to be here right? So....

 

[TheStig]

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure thats exactly what happened. Gordon decided to accept their offer after their "deadline" and then the Bulls refused to put it back on the table.

Exactly, so Gordon should have accepted before the deadline. He is a grown ass man! We all have deadlines in life and so did he. He should have accepted it or turned it down. His not responding while the deadline passed showed rejection.

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

So if he was working on a sign and trade with the Heat, it sounds like he's never really felt comfortable or wanted to be here right? So....

He wanted to be here and I think he has proven that. But if someone came up to you and offered the same job with the same benefits except 20% more, where would you go? There are reasons this didn't work out, the main one being that we didn't overlook a deadline. When you finally beat down someone to your price after haggling, you don't walk away.

 

[ramblingrose33]

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure thats exactly what happened. Gordon decided to accept their offer after their "deadline" and then the Bulls refused to put it back on the table.

Exactly, so Gordon should have accepted before the deadline. He is a grown ass man! We all have deadlines in life and so did he. He should have accepted it or turned it down. His not responding while the deadline passed showed rejection.

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

So if he was working on a sign and trade with the Heat, it sounds like he's never really felt comfortable or wanted to be here right? So....

He wanted to be here and I think he has proven that. But if someone came up to you and offered the same job with the same benefits except 20% more, where would you go? There are reasons this didn't work out, the main one being that we didn't overlook a deadline. When you finally beat down someone to your price after haggling, you don't walk away.

Money has no meaning in the NBA. Look at the Ben Wallace deal. One minute we have a defensive specialist worth all this money, the next he's a poison to the team and an immovable contract. Is it crazy to think that Gordon didn't want to be on the Bulls? Aside from a formulaic media response, what makes you think he wanted to be here? He wanted money and tried going to Miami. That didn't work so he wanted to lock cash in. The Bulls told him to eat it. At that point maybe it was perceived that his value was greatest in trade or salary relief.

 

[houheffna]

The Bulls were nice, after he turned down 5/50 the year before, then tells the media he should be the highest paid player on the team (Gordon was making 15mil/per)...I would have thrown him on the next plane out of town for the next hot deal. You cannot find an agent in the world outside of Gordon's agent who would have turned that down...

 

[ramblingrose33]

Totally. On top of that, Deng looked phenomenal at that time so the idea of paying more for Gordon was crazy. Right or wrong, the context is important. BG was not the best option on the Bulls.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

The Bulls were nice, after he turned down 5/50 the year before, then tells the media he should be the highest paid player on the team (Gordon was making 15mil/per)...I would have thrown him on the next plane out of town for the next hot deal. You cannot find an agent in the world outside of Gordon's agent who would have turned that down...

There is a difference between saying you should be the best player and demanding 15 mill per year. He never asked for 15 mill per year, just said he should be the highest paid player, which he should have been. Your grasping at straws.

 

[TheStig]

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure thats exactly what happened. Gordon decided to accept their offer after their "deadline" and then the Bulls refused to put it back on the table.

Exactly, so Gordon should have accepted before the deadline. He is a grown ass man! We all have deadlines in life and so did he. He should have accepted it or turned it down. His not responding while the deadline passed showed rejection.

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

So if he was working on a sign and trade with the Heat, it sounds like he's never really felt comfortable or wanted to be here right? So....

He wanted to be here and I think he has proven that. But if someone came up to you and offered the same job with the same benefits except 20% more, where would you go? There are reasons this didn't work out, the main one being that we didn't overlook a deadline. When you finally beat down someone to your price after haggling, you don't walk away.

Money has no meaning in the NBA. Look at the Ben Wallace deal. One minute we have a defensive specialist worth all this money, the next he's a poison to the team and an immovable contract. Is it crazy to think that Gordon didn't want to be on the Bulls? Aside from a formulaic media response, what makes you think he wanted to be here? He wanted money and tried going to Miami. That didn't work so he wanted to lock cash in. The Bulls told him to eat it. At that point maybe it was perceived that his value was greatest in trade or salary relief.

That is completely asinine. If he wanted out, he would have demanded a trade. He never disliked Chicago and always wanted to be here. Again, everyone calls BG greedy here, but who wouldn't go to Detroit for 33% more than the final bulls offer. He is going to be making almost 12 mill per year, why would he stay here for 9? The heat were offering something similar. Why settle, his value has been established. And then he did settle for security and they pull the rug out from under him. Then he does well, the organization publically says he will be a priority and then never make an offer. The bulls fo are asshats, its not the first time this situation has happened.

 

[ramblingrose33]

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

The Bulls were nice, after he turned down 5/50 the year before, then tells the media he should be the highest paid player on the team (Gordon was making 15mil/per)...I would have thrown him on the next plane out of town for the next hot deal. You cannot find an agent in the world outside of Gordon's agent who would have turned that down...

There is a difference between saying you should be the best player and demanding 15 mill per year. He never asked for 15 mill per year, just said he should be the highest paid player, which he should have been. Your grasping at straws.

He's not grasping at straws you just really love Ben Gordon. Haha. Gordon signed in Detroit for what, 11 million a year? The Bulls offered him 10 that year and if I remember correctly, he was pretty insulted. So paying over 10 million would be a bad deal. Your giving Gordon too much credit here. He wasn't worth the money.

 

[ramblingrose33]

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure thats exactly what happened. Gordon decided to accept their offer after their "deadline" and then the Bulls refused to put it back on the table.

Exactly, so Gordon should have accepted before the deadline. He is a grown ass man! We all have deadlines in life and so did he. He should have accepted it or turned it down. His not responding while the deadline passed showed rejection.

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

So if he was working on a sign and trade with the Heat, it sounds like he's never really felt comfortable or wanted to be here right? So....

He wanted to be here and I think he has proven that. But if someone came up to you and offered the same job with the same benefits except 20% more, where would you go? There are reasons this didn't work out, the main one being that we didn't overlook a deadline. When you finally beat down someone to your price after haggling, you don't walk away.

Money has no meaning in the NBA. Look at the Ben Wallace deal. One minute we have a defensive specialist worth all this money, the next he's a poison to the team and an immovable contract. Is it crazy to think that Gordon didn't want to be on the Bulls? Aside from a formulaic media response, what makes you think he wanted to be here? He wanted money and tried going to Miami. That didn't work so he wanted to lock cash in. The Bulls told him to eat it. At that point maybe it was perceived that his value was greatest in trade or salary relief.

That is completely asinine. If he wanted out, he would have demanded a trade. He never disliked Chicago and always wanted to be here. Again, everyone calls BG greedy here, but who wouldn't go to Detroit for 33% more than the final bulls offer. He is going to be making almost 12 mill per year, why would he stay here for 9? The heat were offering something similar. Why settle, his value has been established. And then he did settle for security and they pull the rug out from under him. Then he does well, the organization publically says he will be a priority and then never make an offer. The bulls fo are asshats, its not the first time this situation has happened.

But he wouldn't demand a trade because he's "classy" remember? And who established his value? Have you read the disagreements over his play on this thread at all?? A lot of people are saying he wasn't worth 12 million a year. So saying he is worth it is odd.

 

[houheffna]

Exactly right, what makes you think Miami or Detroit got it right and the Bulls got it wrong? BG is just as much a asshat as the Bulls organization. Again, they did the right thing.

 

[jsain360]

Ben Gordon is gone, its time to move on, people are crying over him like he was the greatest player ever to put on a Bulls uniform, he was good, the Bulls will be in the playoffs and Ben will lead the Pistons to the 10th seed

 

[??? ??????]

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure thats exactly what happened. Gordon decided to accept their offer after their "deadline" and then the Bulls refused to put it back on the table.

Exactly, so Gordon should have accepted before the deadline. He is a grown ass man! We all have deadlines in life and so did he. He should have accepted it or turned it down. His not responding while the deadline passed showed rejection.

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

So if he was working on a sign and trade with the Heat, it sounds like he's never really felt comfortable or wanted to be here right? So....

He wanted to be here and I think he has proven that. But if someone came up to you and offered the same job with the same benefits except 20% more, where would you go? There are reasons this didn't work out, the main one being that we didn't overlook a deadline. When you finally beat down someone to your price after haggling, you don't walk away.

Money has no meaning in the NBA. Look at the Ben Wallace deal. One minute we have a defensive specialist worth all this money, the next he's a poison to the team and an immovable contract. Is it crazy to think that Gordon didn't want to be on the Bulls? Aside from a formulaic media response, what makes you think he wanted to be here? He wanted money and tried going to Miami. That didn't work so he wanted to lock cash in. The Bulls told him to eat it. At that point maybe it was perceived that his value was greatest in trade or salary relief.

That is completely asinine. If he wanted out, he would have demanded a trade. He never disliked Chicago and always wanted to be here. Again, everyone calls BG greedy here, but who wouldn't go to Detroit for 33% more than the final bulls offer. He is going to be making almost 12 mill per year, why would he stay here for 9? The heat were offering something similar. Why settle, his value has been established. And then he did settle for security and they pull the rug out from under him. Then he does well, the organization publically says he will be a priority and then never make an offer. The bulls fo are asshats, its not the first time this situation has happened.

It should be pointed out that Ben Gordon spent this entire summer in Chicago. In Chicago, not Detroit. Chicago.

Sounds like the actions of a guy who really wanted to leave, right? Sounds more like a guy who was never made an offer, and took the only above MLE offer, that didn't involve a sign and trade, he had on the table.

 

[ramblingrose33]

??? ?????? wrote:

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

ramblingrose33 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

houheffna wrote:

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure thats exactly what happened. Gordon decided to accept their offer after their "deadline" and then the Bulls refused to put it back on the table.

Exactly, so Gordon should have accepted before the deadline. He is a grown ass man! We all have deadlines in life and so did he. He should have accepted it or turned it down. His not responding while the deadline passed showed rejection.

BG didn't accept because he was working out a s&t with the heat. The deal was worked out, the bulls turned it down. Why would he sign a deal with us when the heat were giving him more and almost had a deal?

So if he was working on a sign and trade with the Heat, it sounds like he's never really felt comfortable or wanted to be here right? So....

He wanted to be here and I think he has proven that. But if someone came up to you and offered the same job with the same benefits except 20% more, where would you go? There are reasons this didn't work out, the main one being that we didn't overlook a deadline. When you finally beat down someone to your price after haggling, you don't walk away.

Money has no meaning in the NBA. Look at the Ben Wallace deal. One minute we have a defensive specialist worth all this money, the next he's a poison to the team and an immovable contract. Is it crazy to think that Gordon didn't want to be on the Bulls? Aside from a formulaic media response, what makes you think he wanted to be here? He wanted money and tried going to Miami. That didn't work so he wanted to lock cash in. The Bulls told him to eat it. At that point maybe it was perceived that his value was greatest in trade or salary relief.

That is completely asinine. If he wanted out, he would have demanded a trade. He never disliked Chicago and always wanted to be here. Again, everyone calls BG greedy here, but who wouldn't go to Detroit for 33% more than the final bulls offer. He is going to be making almost 12 mill per year, why would he stay here for 9? The heat were offering something similar. Why settle, his value has been established. And then he did settle for security and they pull the rug out from under him. Then he does well, the organization publically says he will be a priority and then never make an offer. The bulls fo are asshats, its not the first time this situation has happened.

It should be pointed out that Ben Gordon spent this entire summer in Chicago. In Chicago, not Detroit. Chicago.

Sounds like the actions of a guy who really wanted to leave, right? Sounds more like a guy who was never made an offer, and took the only above MLE offer, that didn't involve a sign and trade, he had on the table.

Sounds like somebody that doesn't want to move to the booming town of Detroit! My guess is he'll keep something here. Nobody is saying he disliked Chicago the city. But, Chicago the basketball team is another story. Why are you so defensive about it?

 

[houheffna]

It should be pointed out that Ben Gordon spent this entire summer in Chicago. In Chicago, not Detroit. Chicago.

Sounds like the actions of a guy who really wanted to leave, right? Sounds more like a guy who was never made an offer, and took the only above MLE offer, that didn't involve a sign and trade, he had on the table.

Sounds like a guy who has ties in Chicago, if he wanted to be in Chicago so badly, he would have signed one of those two contracts. Chicago is a great city for a rich young bachelor. That is probably why he is still here.

You make it sound like he is sitting at the door of the Berto Center Indian style waiting for someone to let him in every morning. He is a grown man, he played hardball...move on.

 

[Diddy1122]

houheffna wrote:

It should be pointed out that Ben Gordon spent this entire summer in Chicago. In Chicago, not Detroit. Chicago.

Sounds like the actions of a guy who really wanted to leave, right? Sounds more like a guy who was never made an offer, and took the only above MLE offer, that didn't involve a sign and trade, he had on the table.

Sounds like a guy who has ties in Chicago, if he wanted to be in Chicago so badly, he would have signed one of those two contracts. Chicago is a great city for a rich young bachelor. That is probably why he is still here.

You make it sound like he is sitting at the door of the Berto Center Indian style waiting for someone to let him in every morning. He is a grown man, he played hardball...move on.

Ok this is officially the last time I will weigh in on anything about this whole BG situation. The subject is becoming staler than month old wheat bread. Both you guys are right in a sense. Ben did want to be here, that was evident when he wanted to sign the deal last season that Reinsdorf pulled off the table. And yes, he was never made an offer this off season. But at the same time, his agent, who's the real assclown here, never told the Bulls what Detroit had offered. He wanted them to make a blind bid. They, meaning Reinsdorf, was sick of Ray Brothers games so he told him "No Thank You." It sucks because I would've loved to see BG still in a Bulls uni, but people are making this out like it's the greatest injustice in all sports & that's just simply not the case.

 

[??? ??????]

houheffna wrote:

It should be pointed out that Ben Gordon spent this entire summer in Chicago. In Chicago, not Detroit. Chicago.

Sounds like the actions of a guy who really wanted to leave, right? Sounds more like a guy who was never made an offer, and took the only above MLE offer, that didn't involve a sign and trade, he had on the table.

Sounds like a guy who has ties in Chicago, if he wanted to be in Chicago so badly, he would have signed one of those two contracts. Chicago is a great city for a rich young bachelor. That is probably why he is still here.

You make it sound like he is sitting at the door of the Berto Center Indian style waiting for someone to let him in every morning. He is a grown man, he played hardball...move on.

He tried to take a contract with the Bulls, and they said he couldn't have it, which begs the question of whether they would have let him sign the contract, even if he agreed to it in August.

Why shouldn't have Gordon held out until the deadline? The Bulls waited until August before they made Ben a contract offer in restricted free agency. That's an entire month into free agency, that he sat there, with no offer from the Bulls.

The Bulls are all kinds of wrong in the Gordon negotiations, from having one of their employees post on a blog that Gordon turned down a $59 million / 6 year contract....which he was never offered, to having one of their employees write a blog post saying that the trade talks between the Heat/Bulls failed because Gordon refused to take a reasonable contract offer from the Heat (which ended up being a complete pile of crap, and rather trade talks failed....because the Bulls never wanted to trade Gordon to the Heat).