I will not be surprised to see Jaylon Johnson traded

[onebud34]

We can hope so, but everyone thought that they'd be trash this year.

The fact is that they have great coaches there, particularly KOC. They should be ok

KOC is a good coach. If the Bears can actually scout a quality head coach, they'll most likely surpass Minny. But it's the Bears

 

[Montucky]

The Vikings haven't been good at drafting the last few years

They’ve been pretty good at winning.

 

[onebud34]

Idk why/if @Montucky Or @DanielCCSBears are bears fans. Anyone else want to offer their opinion?

They eat at the same table with @nc0gnet0 and @hyatt151

 

[onebud34]

They’ve been pretty good at winning.

That eventually dries out when you can't draft. See New England Patroits

 

[didshereallysaythat]

If your idea is to go into the fourth quarter of every game down two or more scores and that will somehow lead to wins…I dunno what to say. The Bears have ridden outrageous luck.

The Bears in the past 2 years have been one of the most unlucky sports teams I can remember in a long long time. Literally every bad bounce, every fluke play, every bad call has gone against them. And combine that with a terrible coach.

 

[onebud34]

The Bears in the past 2 years have been one of the most unlucky sports teams I can remember in a long long time. Literally every bad bounce, every fluke play, every bad call has gone against them. And combine that with a terrible coach.

@Montucky is using reverse logic here. All other teams in the division are unlucky

 

[Les Grossman]

The Bears in the past 2 years have been one of the most unlucky sports teams I can remember in a long long time. Literally every bad bounce, every fluke play, every bad call has gone against them. And combine that with a terrible coach.

Nah you're being dramatic.

They literally all time lucked into drafting #1 overall two years in a row.

Just last game DET fumbled the ball on goal to go... so many examples. Being bad is not the same as being unlucky.

 

[Montucky]

The Bears in the past 2 years have been one of the most unlucky sports teams I can remember in a long long time. Literally every bad bounce, every fluke play, every bad call has gone against them. And combine that with a terrible coach.

Nah, they just suck. Have sucked for a long time, will suck for a long while yet. The issues with this franchise are fundamental.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

The Bears in the past 2 years have been one of the most unlucky sports teams I can remember in a long long time. Literally every bad bounce, every fluke play, every bad call has gone against them. And combine that with a terrible coach.

I think its almost the opposite. I've said that the Bears red zone defense isn't sustainable, yet every week they somehow get the other team to fumble on the 1-yard line or do something stupid. There have been several games the last two years where the Bears look terrible yet they somehow have a chance to win/tie at the end.

 

[Dstone5553]

Yeah just find a few good players at the same positions literally every single team in the NFL is looking for. The time to plant those trees was years ago, when you dealt away Christian Darrisaw for Justin Fields.

There’s no catching Minnesota, Green Bay and Detroit. They are light years ahead.

I agree they are light years ahead when it comes to organizations, top to bottom. I'd like to think that Poles and Warren have us on the upward trajectory, but at this point, I have a really, really hard time convincing myself of that.

 

[Myk]

There have been several games the last two years where the Bears look terrible yet they somehow have a chance to win/tie at the end.

And then they got Flused.

Many of the games wouldn't have even been close at the end if not for Flus. Even going back to Fields.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

That would not be a good look when the GM was very vocal in his defense of Flus to then get rid of the player(s) who said the emperor has no clothes.
They already admitted they were wrong for keeping Flus to get a QB and then get rid of Flus.

I'm curious to know who didn't want to fire Eberflus. There was debate that happened and someone wanted to keep Eberflus. I want to know who the fucktard was that wanted to keep him.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I agree they are light years ahead when it comes to organizations, top to bottom. I'd like to think that Poles and Warren have us on the upward trajectory, but at this point, I have a really, really hard time convincing myself of that.

It's not in an upward trajectory and that's the problem.

They need three new offensive line starters and depth.

They need to prepare for Billings possibly not being the same after his injury. They need two defensive ends and probably three defensive tackles. They may need to develop Edmunds eventual replacement.

They need three receivers and a backup TE.

There's around 18 to 20 new players they need just to be competitive and build decent depth.

 

[Myk]

I'm curious to know who didn't want to fire Eberflus. There was debate that happened and someone wanted to keep Eberflus. I want to know who the fucktard was that wanted to keep him.

I think the obvious is the family since that's where the money for coaches ultimately comes from.

But bigger picture is it's the whole board of directors. It's simply not profitable to pay a coach to do nothing for the majority of their contract.

I think a better question is who wanted to hire him or even put him into their final 3. He was never a good choice.

 

[Nelly]

Alright so here’s what I am saying: this team isn’t close. They are in the basement deeply and nobody in their division is a ****-up franchise. So by the time you get them close guys like Moore, Sweat, Byard, Allen, TJ Edwards, Andrew Billings (like it or not, this team relies on those last two big time) will be aging out.

This is what happens when you don’t swing for it in the draft and instead draft safe picks to keep your job. Yeah great Rome Odunze and Darnell Wright aren’t busts, they are also as pedestrian talents as you can possibly find in the top ten of the draft.

It's the NFL. Things can turn on a dime. And drafting Odunze was the safe pick? What? People were universally saying "aw damn that's a steal" as Odunze was a good enough prospect to be the #1 WR in plenty of draft classes including the one that directly preceded his.

There's no universe where the Bears aren't shooting for great picks, it's just a matter of finding them. As such, as I said, we don't have an age problem, we have an upper echelon talent problem.

 

[Montucky]

It's the NFL. Things can turn on a dime. And drafting Odunze was the safe pick? What? People were universally saying "aw damn that's a steal" as Odunze was a good enough prospect to be the #1 WR in plenty of draft classes including the one that directly preceded his.

There's no universe where the Bears aren't shooting for great picks, it's just a matter of finding them. As such, as I said, we don't have an age problem, we have an upper echelon talent problem.

And I would say this issue of lacking elite talented players is a direct result of funneling a half dozen first round picks since 2017 into one position with basically nothing to show for it. The Bears have tried to cover that by being active on the trade market, but again you have to grow your own DJ Moore or Montez Sweat a couple of times before you can go full LA Rams and not pick in the first round for five years.

But it comes from the top. It’s a fundamental issue. George McCaskey meddles in the football side because he has a vision for the franchise and he would simply rather lose his way than succeed some other way.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

But bigger picture is it's the whole board of directors. It's simply not profitable to pay a coach to do nothing for the majority of their contract.

It's already sunk cost. He's paid for the day he's hired for duration of his contract. The only debate is how much do they want to cheap out on the next hire.

 

[Dstone5553]

It's not in an upward trajectory and that's the problem.

They need three new offensive line starters and depth.

They need to prepare for Billings possibly not being the same after his injury. They need two defensive ends and probably three defensive tackles. They may need to develop Edmunds eventual replacement.

They need three receivers and a backup TE.

There's around 18 to 20 new players they need just to be competitive and build decent depth.

Agreed.

 

[Myk]

It's already sunk cost. He's paid for the day he's hired for duration of his contract. The only debate is how much do they want to cheap out on the next hire.

That's a real odd way of doing it.
So what happens if the coach retires with time left, the team gets screwed out of $5million to $15million per year?
Or dies.

 

[onebud34]

I think the obvious is the family since that's where the money for coaches ultimately comes from.

But bigger picture is it's the whole board of directors. It's simply not profitable to pay a coach to do nothing for the majority of their contract.

I think a better question is who wanted to hire him or even put him into their final 3. He was never a good choice.

He was a terrible choice from the get-go. I was thinking...who hell is this guy. Then in his presser he talked about the sHITS.

So my guess is the Trace/George thought that he was final 3 worthy