If the Bulls fire Tom Thibodeau...

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I don't know much about any college coaches or potential replacements, but it kinda seems like everyone is looking for a player's coach. Is that just a overcorrection from "Sergant Thibs"? I could see the FO hiring a pushover as the anti-thibs.
 

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I still think Hoiberg would make a pretty good NBA coach.
 

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I don't know much about any college coaches or potential replacements, but it kinda seems like everyone is looking for a player's coach. Is that just a overcorrection from "Sergant Thibs"? I could see the FO hiring a pushover as the anti-thibs.

I don't know either. But as an aside, those games that I watched yesterday were TERRIBLE. It looked like disorganized mayhem on the court. Watching Purdue play Cincy for awhile, I almost had to turn it off because neither of those teams could make a put back lay-up let alone a jump shot.

I confess that I do not watch much college basketball, but after seeing what I did yesterday, all I can say is that I really don't plan to much in the future either. What ever happened to executing an offense?
 

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I don't know either. But as an aside, those games that I watched yesterday were TERRIBLE. It looked like disorganized mayhem on the court. Watching Purdue play Cincy for awhile, I almost had to turn it off because neither of those teams could make a put back lay-up let alone a jump shot.

I confess that I do not watch much college basketball, but after seeing what I did yesterday, all I can say is that I really don't plan to much in the future either. What ever happened to executing an offense?
Lol, I agree. That game had a frenetic pace and went like 8% from the field for a good chunk of time.

The thing with all college sports is that such a small % will make it to the pros. Most are just kids that made it on talent. I never got into college basketball because there shot clock is so damn long.
Some of the good teams do run organized plays and actually move the ball.
 

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General question:

Who among you guys actually follow college basketball? Secondly, of those of you guys who like Fred Hoiberg as a coach, what does he do that separates him from any other top twenty team coach?
 

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Hilarious. So now with this dude, it is just get rid of Thibs and if someone suggests a high school coach, BP is on board.

Dude, I really wish you stop following me around the forums and spewing your idiocy, I really do. I want an upgrade at Coach, I don't really care who it is.

This is really getting to be getting pretty insane. A heart condition is now somehow a strong point for Hoiberg? What about a coach who has hemmoroids? That doesn't bring a perspective on things as much? Someone better check into whether Freddie counts players minutes as a condition of employment

What a stupid thing to say. Overcoming a Heart condition has taught him to pace himself, and to keep an even keel when he is coaching. I want a coach to stay calm on the sidelines, and look like he's won the big game before. This has a little bit to do with the topic since we're looking for a coach that will pace the players and keep them healthy for the playoffs, right?

I'm tired of seeing the Bulls complain about every non call on them. Where do they get that from? From Thib's, who is constantly screaming and complaining to the ref's on the sidelines. I'm tired of that behavior, myself.

YOu are so very full of crap. "I LOVE THIBS"........ "I REALLY DO"............. Rubbish. You've been bagging on this guy ever since I have been on this board. That on the breath after you basically said that Thibs doesn't have "character", that he is a strict army DRILL SARGENT.

It would be one thing if you were just weak in your arguments which you certainly are. But now you make this lame assertion about "loving Thibs". Come-on BP...... At least summon enough huevos and MAN THE FUCK UP. You cannot stand Thibs.

You're really an idiot Hawk, you really are. You don't know a thing about me. I've been one of the biggest Thib's supporters over the years, often calling him the Bulls secret weapon cuz of his defensive coaching. Feel free to go back and see for yourself, idiot.

However, that's changed about midpoint this year, when I realized that he couldn't adapt to the new roster that he was given. It's really opened my eyes to his coaching ability, and his willingness to adapt, or unwillingness I should say.

I've lauded his ability as a defensive coach over and over again. However, I'm not convinced he's great as an offensive coach as well. Not adapting to the new roster and his ability to manage the players, he has has shown me some shortcomings, imo.

You really need to check your narcissistic ass at the door before you start insulting me, pal. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are, as a matter of fact, sometimes you're downright ignorant. I was on the Thib's bandwagon before most of you fucks knew who he was.

One of my best buddies is a Celts fan and talked about Thib's all the time. When he was hired by the Bulls, I was the 1st MF'er telling everyone how good he was. The problem is that things change as I said. Thib's and his style has maxed out, imo. He is unwilling to change and take that next step.

I don't care if he hates Gar with a passion, he needs to not be so fuckin stubborn for the betterment of the team. That's something he's unwilling to do, and that holds him back, imo, from taking the next step. That's my opinion, and if you don't like it, you can fuck off!

May be one of the lamest arguments ever on a message board........ ^^^^^^^^^^....... Is a business not about achieving success? Is a business not about winning more times than it loses? Is a business not about putting a winning product on the shelves for people to buy? What is Thibs winning percentage as a head coach. Methinks it is one of the top five best percentages of head coaches who have been in place over five years. That isn't "success"?

How many teams have won championships in the last five years? Name the coach who could have taken the Bulls team to a championship in those five years. Go ahead. Name him. Same players. Same injuries. Same dumb ass GM. Who is this coach?

YOu say that Thibs has FAILED as a business manager. Fact is that he hasn't failed. His boss and owner have failed. I can be the best damn platoon sergeant in the war, but if my company commander doesn't give me enough fire support and personnel, my shit is raggedy.

Maybe that part of the problem, don't ya think? Being satisfied with the regular season does not get you rings, period. Most championship teams I know have one thing in common. They say that it doesn't matter what happens during the season, the season is a failure if they don't win in the playoffs, and the great teams say, if they don't win it all.

You go ahead and be happy with your winning % in the regular season. Me, I want a ring to show off, and that means getting it done in the playoffs, when great teams get it done!
 

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He's going to be the next generations Popovich, and everyone is sleeping on him.

I don't know much about him, myself, but I like that he can coach on both sides of the court, myself. Do tell more, I'm interested.....
 

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That's not what I said though. Actually, I would say Nurse is more defensive minded and has the best transition play concepts I have ever seen. Concepts that work with players. Develops guys, motivates. I mean, he does everything. Everything Thibs doesn't do, Nurse does. And everything Thibs does well, Nick isn't far behind, depending on the core architecture of the team and how it gets further developed and designed.

Really like the sound of him. Great transition play means exciting basketball, imo, and also would mean bringing in more athletic players. I'm interested in reading any info about this transition stuff if you have any articles saved. A great coach needs to know both sides of the court as I said, but add in a great transition game, and now we're talking.
 

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i agree you need balance

but if i had to choose i'd much rather see nice offense

Well, I've always said, and it holds for most sports, that great offense wins games, but great defense wins championships. Most championship teams can shut the other teams down when it counts, imo. But yes, you need to do both well. :yep:
 

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Who would be an ideal coach for the team if the Bulls do fire Thibs?
 

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some things from Cowley (taken from RealGM)

• The organization is confident that Rose can return by early April.

• The FO may come to terms with Thibs this offseason (like Ralph has posted numerous times, Pax and Reinsdorf support Thibs). Cowley agrees with K.C. Johnson, that it's more like 60-40 odds that Thibs leaves, as opposed to Friedell, who thinks there's a 90%-95% chance. The players know they have the greatest chance to win if Thibs is coaching. The players (off the record) think the situation is ridiculous, and support Thibs.

• Gar-Pax won't trade Taj to free up minutes for Niko, because Noah's future is unknown. They don't want a scenario where Taj has been traded, and then Noah leaves in free agency in 2016, where we'd be royally screwed.

• Losing Noah in free agency in 2016 is a possibility with his knees and another team providing a huge contract. Cowley thinks that Noah will wait until 2016, and then sign a new deal.

• Jimmy may sign a one year deal with the Bulls this summer in order to get a bigger deal with the Bulls in 2016, when the new TV deal/revenue kicks in and the cap rises.
 

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if Cowley is right on the Thibs bit, then i guess im wrong on Thibs starting to wear on the team....but as ive previously said, they better start playing like they support Thibs because they are doing him no justice this year

im upset at point 3. keeping Taj for insurance for Noah makes no sense to me, as he is not a legit center. you also stunt the growth of Nikola by either having him log jammed behind 2 bigs or forcing him to play out of position full time

if i was the Bulls i would let Noah walk in 2016. i understand its some sentimental there, but im not big on giving a hustle player a big contract at 32 especially one with knee issues...thats a recipe for a mistake

i don't buy Jimmy will take a 1 year deal as he already bet on himself once
 

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if Cowley is right on the Thibs bit, then i guess im wrong on Thibs starting to wear on the team....but as ive previously said, they better start playing like they support Thibs because they are doing him no justice this year

im upset at point 3, keeping Taj for insurance for Noah makes no sense to me, as he is not a legit center. you also stunt the growth of Nikola by either having him log jammed behind 2 bigs or forcing him to play of of position full time

if i was the Bulls i would let Noah walk in 2016. i understand its some sentimental there, but im not big on giving a hustle player a big contract at 32 especially one with knee issues...thats a recipe for a mistake

i don't buy Jimmy will take a 1 year deal as he already bet on himself once


They will probably trade Taj to free up some more money to help sign Butler long term if they can.

With Niko improving so fast he might start at the PF next year with Gasol at center which means Noah would come off the bench which might be better for him at this point in his career.

They do need a legit small forward which is what they will probably trade Taj for. Maybe a Tobias Harris from the Magic but who knows?
 

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They will probably trade Taj to free up some more money to help sign Butler long term if they can.

With Niko improving so fast he might start at the PF next year with Gasol at center which means Noah would come off the bench which might be better for him at this point in his career.

They do need a legit small forward which is what they will probably trade Taj for. Maybe a Tobias Harris from the Magic but who knows?


I think that where they need help is at point guard. They cannot depend on Rose to be their dominant player at guard. They should get a proven top notch scoring guard who could work in a rotation off of the bench with Rose, Brooks, and Butler. Let Snell and McDermott slot in at the three with some two to fill out the slots.
 

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I think that where they need help is at point guard. They cannot depend on Rose to be their dominant player at guard. They should get a proven top notch scoring guard who could work in a rotation off of the bench with Rose, Brooks, and Butler. Let Snell and McDermott slot in at the three with some two to fill out the slots.

Yeah we can slot Snell in at SF and basically have him and Butler rotate at SF and SG since both can play both spots very well. If you can start both Snell and Mirotic out there then that will free up more PT for McDermott off the bench and maybe a good 6th man.

I do agree that we need a young point guard who can challenge Rose. Like Brandon Knight.
 

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I think that where they need help is at point guard. They cannot depend on Rose to be their dominant player at guard. They should get a proven top notch scoring guard who could work in a rotation off of the bench with Rose, Brooks, and Butler. Let Snell and McDermott slot in at the three with some two to fill out the slots.

Lol...they don't need help at point guard and they don't need help at shooting guard. I am afraid of your television...their shooting guard is an all star...legitimate...Bulls have "plug and play" backup point guards every year.

You are going to have to quit with this stuff, reminds me of your Rondo ideas....just doesn't make sense.
 

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Lol...they don't need help at point guard and they don't need help at shooting guard. I am afraid of your television...their shooting guard is an all star...legitimate...Bulls have "plug and play" backup point guards every year.

You are going to have to quit with this stuff, reminds me of your Rondo ideas....just doesn't make sense.

For Starters you are right. But for the bench I´d like to have a bigger PG who is also a good defender. I like Moore, but I´m not completely sold on him yet.

As for a backup SG I´d like to finally see someone who is able to create his own shot, hit u with a stepback or cross somebody. Besides Rose, there´s nobody confident puting the ball on the floor.

For the future I could see a lineup like:

Rose, Moore
Butler
Mirotic/Snell (depends on who is the SF of the other team), McDermott
Gasol, Gibson
Noah

The Bulls still Need a quality guard.

And if they give Taj away, they´re in desperate need of another bigman as well.
 

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Lol...they don't need help at point guard and they don't need help at shooting guard. I am afraid of your television...their shooting guard is an all star...legitimate...Bulls have "plug and play" backup point guards every year.

You are going to have to quit with this stuff, reminds me of your Rondo ideas....just doesn't make sense.

First off, I never agree with anything that Hawk says as it's pure idiocy. However, the b/u PG is an important position for the Bulls to consider in the near future, imo. Yes, the Bulls have plugged in b/u PG's with ease as you say, but they have mostly been tough scoring puch type of PG's.

The other side of it, we never know the accountability of Rose, unfortunately. When Rose is healthy, we have one of the best PG's, period, but he hasn't proven to be a sure thing, unfortunately. I think the Bulls need to consider bringing in a PG that could be an eventual replacement for Rose.

If Rose goes down again, he needs to be able to step in and run the offense like a real PG, imo. Personally, I'd like a lockdown defender, that can dish 10 assists in a game, but can still score a little bit. It probably would be good to be able to play PG and SG as well.

I really like a player like Patrick Beverly for Houston. If the Bulls could bring in a player that is similar to that, that can b/u at the PG and SG spots that would be perfect. I think it's imperative that the Bulls find a PG moving forward that can step in if Rose goes down again and not miss a beat at running the offense.

In a perfect world, the Bulls would add a PG like this, and then a starter at the 2/3 spots as you say, that can create, score and defend.
 

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