If we loose gordon this year, how about prince?

[R K]

They looked amazing in the first period.

Then Minnesota took over with their snooze fest brand of hockey.

A couple of bad decisions by Seabs led to scoring opportunities, but I feel that Craw had a bad game.

I just wish that Boynton would stop finishing checks that leave his D partner hanging out to dry.

Players that had good games: Kane, Toews, Keith.



I think everything has been said about the ref losing sight of the puck.

I thought Keith had another horrible game.

 

[R K]

Right now they have a 100% chance to make the playoffs because they are the 8th seed... until they are out of the playoff window, that number doesn't change. Don't know where he gets those random numbers.

But I'm going to post 65% as if it has ANY validity, just so I can.



It means absolutely fucking nothing. Right NOW they have 100% chance of making the fucking playoffs because they are IN!!!



100% I took a shit this morning. Done!

 

[R K]

I have only one thing to say about sportsclub stats, and that the percentage calculated is based on trends from all teams, strength of play against teams, etc. It tends to be fairly accurate when all is said and done. But keep in mind it is all based on team trending, and there is also a list of scenerios that change the % chance. Also, there are some really good teams listed that are in the lower 70% range, and that is because there are still a decent amount of games left in the season, and the trends can change.



Auger....lol, just remember that he lied to some of us when we asked him if he officiated the game in Nashville. Was not until his picture on nhlofficials.com changed his tune.





Oh well, I throw this game more to the missed opportunities. Hawks had their chances and just could not capitalize.

HF 50 in his basement between rounds of KY....





Upon further trends there was 75% I'd take two shits this morning. Hey the odds were right!



Sorry Larmer no link. 100% chance I flushed.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Right now they have a 100% chance to make the playoffs because they are the 8th seed... until they are out of the playoff window, that number doesn't change. Don't know where he gets those random numbers.

Impossible as it would only be a 100% chance if all games have been played, or every other team does not have a chance to knock them out of a spot...hence the 66.x% listed right now. Plenty of season left, plenty of "shoe-ins" that have low percentages as well. Which does stress how tight the race really is...and how long it might take to shake out.



Personally I think the site does provide some perspective on the 'Hawks disposition at this point in the season....I also firmly believe this team will make the playoffs.

 

[puckjim]

But I'm going to post 65% as if it has ANY validity, just so I can.



It means absolutely fucking nothing. Right NOW they have 100% chance of making the fucking playoffs because they are IN!!!



100% I took a shit this morning. Done!

Well I posted the percentage AND the source of the percentage, so it can be taken FWIW.



What I don't know is if 65% means that they have a good chance or not.



If my daughter gets a 65% on a test, I'd be pissed. But if I have a 65% of surviving a surgery, I might feel more positive about that.



Regardless, it's a point of debate, which is what this place is supposed to be about, not bombastic ramblings when a counterpoint can't be made.



There's an old debate adage that states, "He who's loudest wins."



Hopefully most here won't fall for that and will present their opposing viewpoint.



Difference of opinion, when civil, is fun.

 

[R K]

Impossible as it would only be a 100% chance if all games have been played, or every other team does not have a chance to knock them out of a spot...hence the 66.x% listed right now. Plenty of season left, plenty of "shoe-ins" that have low percentages as well. Which it does stress is how tight the race really is...and how long it might take to shake out.



Personally I think the site does provide some perspective on the 'Hawks disposition at this point in the season....I also firmly believe this team will make the playoffs.

Sorry I just don't buy the probability shit. Especially since there are soooo many tangibles that factor into that. Trends my ass.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

How does anyone know what percentage chance any team has to get in? Especially with 30+ games remaining?

The odds get stacked for teams sitting 13-15, of course.

The 3 point games make it tough for teams to gain significant ground.

I think we all can agree that 95 points may be the cutoff line for the playoffs in the west. Maybe higher due to how competitive the conference is.



[edit] I crunched a couple of numbers, and the Hawks are looking like a bubble team.

They need to go at least 4-2 on their long road trip.



As far as winning the division, those chances don't look good. Detroit is 8 points ahead with 2 games in hand. Stranger things have happened, but divisional play is key. All those games are 4 point swings, and quite honestly you don't want to see their opponents splitting games, or going to OT.



The Hawks are on pace for 92 points as it stands currently.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Sorry I just don't buy the probability shit. Especially since there are soooo many tangibles that factor into that. Trends my ass.

Sure, that is also why there is a table where the tangibles can make a difference and what that differing chance is. Again, it is all for perspective, not gospel.



Amazingly trending drives many industries into decisions....one is setting of the line for most sporting events (beyond the bookmakers ensuring a profit).





The really ironic thing, is that last two seasons I was using that site to help with understanding where the 'Hawks were most likely going to finish in the standings or how hard it was going to be for the 'Nucks to pass them in the standings last season. No complaints about it then...

 

[winos5]

Hossa had a terrible game, it's like he wasn't even on the ice. 100% chance he plays better next time.

 

[R K]

92 points might just get a team in the playoffs this year. And I don't agree on the 4-2 road trip. They could go 0-6 and win their next 12 straight. Never know what will happen.



It sure is fun though always having a shot at the playoffs verses a few years ago and never having a shot at them. Again percentages and looking ahead at possible scenarios, when so many factors or variables add in is kind of assinine.



I guess that's why Vegas and Casinos make so much money. Because people decide they can bet on percentages. Funny the higher percentage of those become losers.

 

[R K]

Hossa had a terrible game, it's like he wasn't even on the ice. 100% chance he plays better next time.

I agree. Havlat probably talked him into being sick at dinner. 100% they went out to dinner the night before.



I punched Augers head through the glass after he fucked the goal. 100% chance my hand hurts and I shouldn't have done that.

 

[R K]

Sure, that is also why there is a table where the tangibles can make a difference and what that differing chance is. Again, it is all for perspective, not gospel.



Amazingly trending drives many industries into decisions....one is setting of the line for most sporting events (beyond the bookmakers ensuring a profit).





The really ironic thing, is that last two seasons I was using that site to help with understanding where the 'Hawks were most likely going to finish in the standings or how hard it was going to be for the 'Nucks to pass them in the standings last season. No complaints about it then...

but it was posted as gospel.





"now the Hawks have a 65% chance of making the playoffs". Not "the probability website below puts the Hawks chances of making the playoffs at 65%".





It was posted as if it were fact. It's far from fact, and much more like make believe. Statistics are a funny thing. I wonder what the +/- is on something someone is making up to begin with. Anyone can twist something into their favor at that point. When I first saw that site I had to laugh. Way to much time on someones hands.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

92 points might just get a team in the playoffs this year. And I don't agree on the 4-2 road trip. They could go 0-6 and win their next 12 straight. Never know what will happen.



It sure is fun though always having a shot at the playoffs verses a few years ago and never having a shot at them. Again percentages and looking ahead at possible scenarios, when so many factors or variables add in is kind of assinine.



I guess that's why Vegas and Casinos make so much money. Because people decide they can bet on percentages. Funny the higher percentage of those become losers.

I never said bet on it, but you know as well as I do going 4-2 is better than looking at a goose egg-- especially when it comes to positioning.



The only real factor are the games left and where 2 points are being allocated.

One case for tonight:Colorado/Phoenix. Where do you want the 2 points to go? I know where I want them to go, and it better not go to OT.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

but it was posted as gospel.





"now the Hawks have a 65% chance of making the playoffs". Not "the probability website below puts the Hawks chances of making the playoffs at 65%".





It was posted as if it were fact. It's far from fact, and much more like make believe. Statistics are a funny thing. I wonder what the +/- is on something someone is making up to begin with. Anyone can twist something into their favor at that point. When I first saw that site I had to laugh. Way to much time on someones hands.

Sounds like Sex Panther.

60% of the time it works all of the time.

 

[R K]

I never said bet on it, but you know as well as I do going 4-2 is better than looking at a goose egg-- especially when it comes to positioning.



The only real factor are the games left and where 2 points are being allocated.

One case for tonight:Colorado/Phoenix. Where do you want the 2 points to go? I know where I want them to go, and it better not go to OT.

3pt game is the scariest part. Right now they are 4pts out of 4th in the conference with 30 games to go and LOTS of divisional games. 3 against the wings with 8pts separating them.



I'm not worried in the slightest. The Parity in the Conference is just to close with ALL the teams.

 

[winos5]

I agree. Havlat probably talked him into being sick at dinner. 100% they went out to dinner the night before.

I punched Augers head through the glass after he fucked the goal. 100% chance my hand hurts and I shouldn't have done that.

100% Kopecky was jealous.

 

[PatrickShart]

Why does it take Crawford soooooooo loooooooonnnnnggg to get up from a scramble. It happened in the Philly game on the one goal as well, that Giroux scored. It was as if he didnt even try to get up.

 

[R K]

100% Kopecky was jealous.

Valid point. He too missed a wide open net last night. Althought he puck was bouncing all over.





PMX I thought Crawford was brutal last night. I said early in the day I would have started Turco. DIdn't happen.

 

[puckjim]

How does anyone know what percentage chance any team has to get in? Especially with 30+ games remaining?

The odds get stacked for teams sitting 13-15, of course.

The 3 point games make it tough for teams to gain significant ground.

I think we all can agree that 95 points may be the cutoff line for the playoffs in the west. Maybe higher due to how competitive the conference is.



[edit] I crunched a couple of numbers, and the Hawks are looking like a bubble team.

They need to go at least 4-2 on their long road trip.



As far as winning the division, those chances don't look good. Detroit is 8 points ahead with 2 games in hand. Stranger things have happened, but divisional play is key. All those games are 4 point swings, and quite honestly you don't want to see their opponents splitting games, or going to OT.



The Hawks are on pace for 92 points as it stands currently.

I don't know how they figure in the percentage. I sucked at math and stats in school. I believe they have an explanation on their website, though.



95 points seems to be the agree-upon cutoff, but that floats a little bit day by day. But since there is such a logjam, it won't float much.



I believe the Hawks will make the playoffs, and I haven't given up on the division.



The percentage number is not a be-all, end-all. But it's interesting, nonetheless.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

92 points might just get a team in the playoffs this year. And I don't agree on the 4-2 road trip. They could go 0-6 and win their next 12 straight. Never know what will happen.



It sure is fun though always having a shot at the playoffs verses a few years ago and never having a shot at them. Again percentages and looking ahead at possible scenarios, when so many factors or variables add in is kind of assinine.



I guess that's why Vegas and Casinos make so much money. Because people decide they can bet on percentages. Funny the higher percentage of those become losers.

LOL. You were one of the people that had no problem when I was using that site in the past....sorry but you stepped into that one and I did try to give a little warning.





Interestingly enough that site shows that 92 points is most likely the break point for the playoffs in the West based on trending to this point. It also projects the Hawks to finish with 94 points and the 6th or 7th seed.



But as I will mention, for the third time, is that yes anything can happen to change, which is what the "what if" table is there to show and how those changes will affect the current trending. It really is worth checking at the end of the season to see how the trending does not change all that much (extremes are a rarity), especially once game 60 has been played. But again...this is just for perspective not gospel. An interesting piece of information, and just that.