If you could only choose one in free agency?

[DefNextYear]

Hope is all bears fans have, this year is no different, change the QB, were going to rock, change the HC, oh boy here we go, same shit every offseason, never a different result, you would think by now, you would get it

Nothing to do with what I said or replied to, but I sure.

 

[msadows]

@msadows has ragged on Caleb since the 2nd game of last season now he's preaching hope will change everything, OK CCS, stick that in your memory bank and eealize you're fauked, things are always the opposite of what he preaches, never deny basic @msadows history

I ragged on caleb because he needs to improve, but the talent is there.

There is nothing wrong with wanting more out of a player you know is capable of it.

Hope is all bears fans have, this year is no different, change the QB, were going to rock, change the HC, oh boy here we go, same shit every offseason, never a different result, you would think by now, you would get it

You can say the same shit for lions fans. What other franchise had 1 playoff win in 66+ years?

 

[hyatt151]

1) this thread is about who you would want if they hit FA

2) there is a good chance he does hit FA, not a "pipedream" as the chiefs may not want to pay a guard 20-25m a year, particularly in a draft strong in interior OL

Obviously there is a chance he comes back, but you could say that for the majority of current expected FA's.

so you think dropping 25 million on a great Interior lineman when you need to add at least 5 guys on offensive and defensive lines combined even adding a player as good as Smith isn't going to fix it's problems despite your home boy logic

 

[hyatt151]

I ragged on caleb because he needs to improve, but the talent is there.

There is nothing wrong with wanting more out of a player you know is capable of it.



You can say the same shit for lions fans. What other franchise had 2 playoff win in 66+ years?

FIFY

 

[msadows]

so you think dropping 25 million on a great Interior lineman when you need to add at least 5 guys on offensive and defensive lines combined even adding a player as good as Smith isn't going to fix it's problems despite your home boy logic

Yes, its great logic. And add Ryan Kelly too on a 2 year deal. That would solidify the right side of the OL.

Draft DL in the first and a guard in the 2nd to start at LG.

There is a reason the bears OL has been shit the last few years, they had like the least amount of $$ tied into it in the league

 

[msadows]

FIFY

Nope, absolutely wrong. The lions only won 1 playoff game in the span of December 1957 to january 2024.

Detroit Lions Playoff History | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Detroit Lions Playoff History

www.pro-football-reference.com

You are welcome to fact check. This is why they are the worst franchise in pro sports history.

 

[Xplosive]

Here is your hero Ronnie Stanley getting pushed back nonstop vs. trey hendrickson

Again, ever tackle gets pushed back. Bears fans just dont watch enough NFL tackles to realize this happens. Braxton isn't elite by any measure, but stanley wouldnt be much of an updrade if any, and cost a fuckton of money.

I'd rather take a guy who's weak against a bullrush every so often than a tackle who has slow feet like kelvin banks and gets beat by speed rushers.

This is a perfect example of how two people can watch the same video and see totally different things. Trey Hendrickson is a 17 sack a year elite Edge rusher and Ronnie Stanley absolutely controlled him and prevented him from wrecking the gameplan. He did it with minimal help and was mostly on an island.

You claim he was getting pushed back but yes any LT will give ground against the best. Meanwhile go back and watch Braxton in the 2023 end of season game vs the Packers...

He was getting absolutely crushed, ran through easily immediately after the snap. I've watched the multiple games like that from him and he isn't getting any better. He's really good at run blocking which is the only reason he is even rated above average. I take Stanley every time.

 

[msadows]

This is a perfect example of how two people can watch the same video and see totally different things. Trey Hendrickson is a 17 sack a year elite Edge rusher and Ronnie Stanley absolutely controlled him and prevented him from wrecking the gameplan. He did it with minimal help and was mostly on an island.

You claim he was getting pushed back but yes any LT will give ground against the best. Meanwhile go back and watch Braxton in the 2023 end of season game vs the Packers...

He was getting absolutely crushed, ran through easily immediately after the snap. I've watched the multiple games like that from him and he isn't getting any better. He's really good at run blocking which is the only reason he is even rated above average. I take Stanley every time.

He was legit pushed back on the majority of those plays, which is your biggest critique of braxton. No clue what you watched

 

[ijustposthere]

If Smith hits FA, the Bears better be willing to open the check book and give the guy a blank check

 

[cwcwcwcw1]

RE: A point that I think is tripping some people up. big $$$ for a G.

the salary cap keeps increasing by ~ $ 10 mil a year for a decade ( exception was the covid year ) the last three years was even more. It's one of the reasons teams like to back load contracts.

Also the amount of the guaranteed money and how the contract is structured is what matters. Not the let's make the agent happy headline of "5 years @ 100 million"

Lastly something like $20 million a year is not what matters, ignore the dollar amount. Look at the percentage of the salary cap number.

As an example look at Landon Dickerson, before this year he signed a 4 year $84 million deal with $28 million guaranteed. his cap #'s are 2.3% - 2.3% - 3.5% - 4.5%

 

[SlickWilly]

there was no doubt Ben Johnson was going to take a HC gig, while there is no certainty Smith will hit free agency dipshit

No dumb f*ck, you specifically said he would not be head coach of the Bears.

 

[hyatt151]

No dumb f*ck, you specifically said he would not be head coach of the Bears.

yeah, I didn't think he was that stupid, alas I was wrong

 

[DeerBrinker34]

I voted for Trey Smith mostly because the other options are pretty much all dogshit aside from Stanley. No offense.

I think KC finds a way to keep Smith or NE swoops in with their $126 million in cap space and break the bank for him. That might actually be best for Chicago considering they need 3 new starters on the interior and need to figure out OT depth/competition as well.

Best case scenario, Dalman hits the open market and Chicago snags him to solidify the Center position. There's still some intriguing Guards set to hit free-agency; Dalton Risner, Mekhi Becton, Ben Bredeson...any of those dudes are an upgrade from the shit Chicago's been trotting out there since what? 2006?

Continue bolstering the OL and DL in the draft, add a bruising RB, a versatile TE and depth everywhere else.

 

[dabears70]

Is anyone even a little worried that the Trey Smith success could be a product of getting drafted by and playing for the KC Chiefs? I mean there is something to going to a team with the culture and winning they have and the respect Andy Reid has around there. Could be that he isn't as good on a team without that culture and winning like the Chiefs have. Not saying he'll be bad but maybe not $20+ mil per great. What was he a 5th or 6th round pick right?

 

[dabears70]

You should watch more tackle play. All tackles get driven back, including the one you want to draft in the first round.

Watch will campbell against dallas turner or jared verse.

The issue is when your tackle gets driven back, and your interior doesnt provide a pocket to step up into, it leads to sacks. This is why the bears oline has been shit for years.

Here is your hero Ronnie Stanley getting pushed back nonstop vs. trey hendrickson

Again, ever tackle gets pushed back. Bears fans just dont watch enough NFL tackles to realize this happens. Braxton isn't elite by any measure, but stanley wouldnt be much of an updrade if any, and cost a fuckton of money.

I'd rather take a guy who's weak against a bullrush every so often than a tackle who has slow feet like kelvin banks and gets beat by speed rushers.

I always thought it was just common sense to know OL get pushed back and figured everyone knew that simply by watching football. I'm pretty surprised that there's people that actually didn't know that.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Poles needs to toss his stupid “my price” FA philosophy out the window and instead go get the top guys and then go do the “my price” thing with average players. Get Dalman and Smith whatever it costs then figure out the rest after.

I’d like to see one of Young and Mack get signed as well so that way we can go into the draft with options.

And I’d like a winning lottery ticket. Young is average and Mack isn’t coming here

 

[cwcwcwcw1]

Is anyone even a little worried that the Trey Smith success could be a product of getting drafted by and playing for the KC Chiefs? I mean there is something to going to a team with the culture and winning they have and the respect Andy Reid has around there. Could be that he isn't as good on a team without that culture and winning like the Chiefs have. Not saying he'll be bad but maybe not $20+ mil per great. What was he a 5th or 6th round pick right?

Trey Smith wasn't just your random day 3 talent, he was a day 1-2 talent that dropped due to medical concerns. Remember when the Bears were able to get Eddie Jackson ( broken leg? ) in the fourth round.

Also, I think the culture/winning ways thing is more important when discussing a player with character concerns.

As for the $20+ mil part - See post #70 above.

Lastly ( tongue in cheek - extreme smart ass example ) Brady was a sixth round pick.

 

[msadows]

I think KC finds a way to keep Smith or NE swoops in with their $126 million in cap space and break the bank for him. That might actually be best for Chicago considering they need 3 new starters on the interior and need to figure out OT depth/competition as well.

Best case scenario, Dalman hits the open market and Chicago snags him to solidify the Center position. There's still some intriguing Guards set to hit free-agency; Dalton Risner, Mekhi Becton, Ben Bredeson...any of those dudes are an upgrade from the shit Chicago's been trotting out there since what? 2006?

Continue bolstering the OL and DL in the draft, add a bruising RB, a versatile TE and depth everywhere else.

That interior oline when jordan howard was here may have been the best in the nfl. Josh sitton, kyle long and cody whitehair. They didnt really have good tackles tho. Now we have decent tackles but terrible interior. Last time we did have a complete line was like 20 years ago for sure tho

 

[msadows]

And I’d like a winning lottery ticket. Young is average and Mack isn’t coming here

Im not a big fan of chase young, but he has history with out DC and was 7th in the league per PFF in pressures for edge rushers

If the price is right, I wouldnt mind it.

 

[dabears70]

Trey Smith wasn't just your random day 3 talent, he was a day 1-2 talent that dropped due to medical concerns. Remember when the Bears were able to get Eddie Jackson ( broken leg? ) in the fourth round.

Also, I think the culture/winning ways thing is more important when discussing a player with character concerns.

As for the $20+ mil part - See post #70 above.

Lastly ( tongue in cheek - extreme smart ass example ) Brady was a sixth round pick.

Yeah in today's NFL great players don't drop to the 6th round (pick #226) because of an injury when the success rate coming back from serious injuries isn't as bad as it used to be. I guess this is something we won't know until 2-3 years down the road anyway.

Edit: What injury history or medical concerns did Smith have anyway? He started every game his last year in college and every game his rookie year with the Chiefs.

Brady was never expected to go any earlier than he did and he didn't have any injury history so not sure of that comparison.