IGT: Cubs vs. Mets

[PatrickShart]

You are going to have to define that for all of us.

At what point of which game did you feel the Cubs had a chance to win? Just before first pitch?

I think they've only had 2 leadoff hitters of an inning reach base? (if I heard that stat correctly)

How many runs have they scored not via the homerun?

 

[brett05]

At what point of which game did you feel the Cubs had a chance to win? Just before first pitch?

I think they've only had 2 leadoff hitters of an inning reach base? (if I heard that stat correctly)

How many runs have they scored not via the homerun?

And that has been the case for runs scored thru the entire playoffs for the Cubs. I never thought they didn't have a chance.

Heck, Familia reminds me so much of Marmol. And not the good half Marmol.

 

[PatrickShart]

The same Familia that has given up 2 hits (which one of them was the infield "hit" he didn't cover first base) all post season?

I guess it's good to have that hope and I wish you luck tonight

 

[SilenceS]

I don't understand the "lack of post season" experience.

None of the Mets starting pitchers have "post season" experience.

It's not as if the fastballs are faster, the curve balls curve more, runners run faster.

Refusal to hold runners close.
Terrible managing
Inability to catch fly balls....or routine ground balls.

Those plays are simple baseball plays. Just terrible focus and leadership by the guy that's "been there" before. Maybe less focus on playing Jim Fowler (The Animal Planet guy) and more focus on actual baseball leadership would have helped Madden win this series

Yep, coaching is why the Cubs have scored a combined 5 runs in 3 games.

 

[PatrickShart]

No...but part of managing the roster is putting the team in the best postion to succeed, isn't it?

 

[SilenceS]

No...but part of managing the roster is putting the team in the best postion to succeed, isn't it?

He has all year and into the playoffs. Hence, the 24 game improvement and NLCS appearance with a bunch of rooks on the team.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Yep, coaching is why the Cubs have scored a combined 5 runs in 3 games.

Could have been more if wave 'em home Wendell didn'tresurrect and send someone home on a shallow single in game 1. That was coaching.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

No...but part of managing the roster is putting the team in the best postion to succeed, isn't it?

One thing you mention is that he bats his best hitter 2nd and data suggests this is the right thing to do. In fact your 3 best hitters should hit 1,2 & 4. Maddon has been doing this all year. A lot of managers still don't despite the data. Maddon can't make guys hit and even he can't prevent rookies from being rookies forever. No team with 4 rookies with as many combined AB as these 4, Bryant, Russell, Soler and Schwarber, has ever made the post season before. Never. Blaming this on Maddon after what he's done to develop, motivate and win 101 games with a team that won 73 last year is just silly. We're all bummed, but let's not go back to the nonsense of the last few years where people were sure the rebuild wouldn't work, etc. It's worked. Winning a world series is never a guarantee with the crapshoot of the MLB playoffs so you build a team that is capable of getting there more times than not. There's work to do but pointing fingers in the wrong places and not recognizing realities is silly. Now let's win a fucking game and all this handwringing is making me nauseous.

 

[SilenceS]

Could have been more if wave 'em home Wendell didn'tresurrect and send someone home on a shallow single in game 1. That was coaching.

You do realize they have been aggressive all year? You do realize that Ross and Lester were up next? It was an aggressive play because of where we were in the lineup.

 

[brett05]

The same Familia that has given up 2 hits (which one of them was the infield "hit" he didn't cover first base) all post season?

I guess it's good to have that hope and I wish you luck tonight

I'm actually a Met fan.
Did you not watch him pitch? Against the Cubs he's struggled to throw strikes. Patience is what the Cubs Hitters need against him.

 

[brett05]

He has all year and into the playoffs. Hence, the 24 game improvement and NLCS appearance with a bunch of rooks on the team.

Wait, the 24 game improvement is because of Joe? Nothing to do with Lester, Arrieta, Bryant, Russell, Soler, Kyle????

 

[PatrickShart]

And Maddon has had a great regular season, not arguing that one bit. His willingness to move his players in and out of the lineup all year to keep them fresh was smart - with all the day games. As well as not taking BP all the time, etc.

However, this is the playoffs. Playing Ross at any point - when the team isn't hitting, isn't smart. Playing Soler in game 1 when he's 1)terrible in cold weather and 2) a .200 hitter/.294 OBP/.200 SLG vs the Mets while Coghlan hit .250 vs them with a .468 OBP .438 SLG - and a much better defender

And with Rizzo and Bryant doing relatively nothing at the plate...why not put Schwaber in between them? Maybe they see different pitches?

And if anyone can explain pitching to Murphy to me, I'll listen.

Finally, there was a once upon a time the "future" looked bright with Prior and Wood as 1 and 1A pitchers. How'd that end up? The assumption they'll ever get back here with the CARDS and PITT in this division, is just that - an assumption.

 

[PatrickShart]

I'm actually a Met fan.
Did you not watch him pitch? Against the Cubs he's struggled to throw strikes. Patience is what the Cubs Hitters need against him.

Familia has been great...and the Cubs haven't shown much patience. When they had Degrom at 30 pitches in the first inning, they had a golden chance to work counts and try to get him out. The fact they haven't gotten to their bullpen/made their pitchers work hard...has hurt them.

 

[SilenceS]

Wait, the 24 game improvement is because of Joe? Nothing to do with Lester, Arrieta, Bryant, Russell, Soler, Kyle????

:smh:

 

[SilenceS]

And Maddon has had a great regular season, not arguing that one bit. His willingness to move his players in and out of the lineup all year to keep them fresh was smart - with all the day games. As well as not taking BP all the time, etc.

However, this is the playoffs. Playing Ross at any point - when the team isn't hitting, isn't smart. Playing Soler in game 1 when he's 1)terrible in cold weather and 2) a .200 hitter/.294 OBP/.200 SLG vs the Mets while Coghlan hit .250 vs them with a .468 OBP .438 SLG - and a much better defender

And with Rizzo and Bryant doing relatively nothing at the plate...why not put Schwaber in between them? Maybe they see different pitches?

And if anyone can explain pitching to Murphy to me, I'll listen.

Finally, there was a once upon a time the "future" looked bright with Prior and Wood as 1 and 1A pitchers. How'd that end up? The assumption they'll ever get back here with the CARDS and PITT in this division, is just that - an assumption.

Prior and Wood got hurt because of high risk pitchers. Batters are a much different story and the Cubs have more reserves and money. There is a reason baseball experts rave about the Cubs and what they have built. It isn't a mirage and this isn't the 2003 Cubs.

Also, why are you mad at Soler playing game 1? Do you see what he has done these playoffs? Joe was riding the hot hand while Cogs has been struggling for awhile. Also, the #2 hitter in the lineup is being considered your best hitter in the lineup now. They see more PA. Basically, everything you just typed is anti-maddon ways.

 

[bamainatlanta]

You do realize they have been aggressive all year? You do realize that Ross and Lester were up next? It was an aggressive play because of where we were in the lineup.

He didn't have a chance in hell of scoring. Cespedes has one of the best outfield arms in the NL. Just because of who's up doesn't mean you give the other team a play an easy out and get the tie breaking run thrown out by 6 fucking steps. Weak argument youhave put up. Also the Mets haven't been aggressive on the base paths all year, but switching their strategy in this series sure is fucking working isn't it?

 

[SilenceS]

He didn't have a chance in hell of scoring. Cespedes has one of the best outfield arms in the NL. Just because of who's up doesn't mean you give the other team a play an easy out and get the tie breaking run thrown out by 6 fucking steps. Weak argument youhave put up. Also the Mets haven't been aggressive on the base paths all year, but switching their strategy in this series sure is fucking working isn't it?

So, you applaud the Mets for being aggressive and bash the Cubs for being aggressive? The Cubs have been overly aggressive at sending runners all year. Its a philosophy. Cespedes sails that ball you don't think twice. It happened many times in the season. I would disagree with the send if you have your big hitters coming up. I don't disagree when you have Ross and Lester coming up.

 

[bamainatlanta]

So, you applaud the Mets for being aggressive and bash the Cubs for being aggressive? The Cubs have been overly aggressive at sending runners all year. Its a philosophy. Cespedes sails that ball you don't think twice. It happened many times in the season. I would disagree with the send if you have your big hitters coming up. I don't disagree when you have Ross and Lester coming up.

I guess there is no such thing as a pinch hitter. No dipshit, I applaud the Mets for changing their strategy. Ijustposthere is right about you, you're just a fucking ****

 

[PatrickShart]

Prior and Wood got hurt because of high risk pitchers. Batters are a much different story and the Cubs have more reserves and money. There is a reason baseball experts rave about the Cubs and what they have built. It isn't a mirage and this isn't the 2003 Cubs.

Also, why are you mad at Soler playing game 1? Do you see what he has done these playoffs? Joe was riding the hot hand while Cogs has been struggling for awhile. Also, the #2 hitter in the lineup is being considered your best hitter in the lineup now. They see more PA. Basically, everything you just typed is anti-maddon ways.

I did watch. He had 8 great AB's - in game 2 and 3. And was 0-3 in gm 4.

And the weather was warm in those games. He looks miserable in cold weather. Have you seen his stats vs STL? He his .308 vs them this season. They're playing the Mets now.

And it's great that "experts" rave about players. Because I'm watching the players they're raving about - Bryant, Rizzo, Baez - do nothing while the young pitching of the Mets - who aren't going anywhere soon - make them look foolish. And if you think the Cards pitching is going away anytime soon, feel free. But the Cubs were very lucky they had the injuries they had or this may very well be a STL and NYM series.

 

[SilenceS]

I guess there is no such thing as a pinch hitter. No dipshit, I applaud the Mets for changing their strategy. Ijustposthere is right about you, you're just a fucking ****

Well, seems your emotional right now.