IGT: Cubs vs. Mets

[PatrickShart]

I guess there is no such thing as a pinch hitter. No dipshit, I applaud the Mets for changing their strategy. Ijustposthere is right about you, you're just a fucking ****

Don't you know....the great Joe Maddon must play Ross because he's the only one Lester will pitch to.

Meanwhile, they'll run all day on them and the other pitchers/catchers....and set up the winning run. And it's acceptable because they won more games in the regular season this year than last.

 

[SilenceS]

I did watch. He had 8 great AB's - in game 2 and 3. And was 0-3 in gm 4.

And the weather was warm in those games. He looks miserable in cold weather. Have you seen his stats vs STL? He his .308 vs them this season. They're playing the Mets now.

And it's great that "experts" rave about players. Because I'm watching the players they're raving about - Bryant, Rizzo, Baez - do nothing while the young pitching of the Mets - who aren't going anywhere soon - make them look foolish. And if you think the Cards pitching is going away anytime soon, feel free. But the Cubs were very lucky they had the injuries they had or this may very well be a STL and NYM series.

That is all assumption as well.

 

[PatrickShart]

That is all assumption as well.

Knowing the Cardinals track record vs the Cubs in development, pitching, success, etc - which assumption do you think is more probable to come to fruition?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I think scoot is going to make a REAL IGT for game 4.

 

[SilenceS]

Knowing the Cardinals track record vs the Cubs in development, pitching, success, etc - which assumption do you think is more probable to come to fruition?

Considering the Cubs had a top 5 farm the past couple of years and graduated 5 starting rookies while making the NLCS says their development is doing just fine.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Knowing the Cardinals track record vs the Cubs in development, pitching, success, etc - which assumption do you think is more probable to come to fruition?

What do base your assumptions on that the Cubs haven't become a team that develops players well? You seem pretty quick to dismiss Bryant and the rest, think they might get better? This organization has done everything it said it was going to do to this point. This offseason is huge. For me the hitting mix isn't quite right. Two many of the same kind of hitters. That can be fixed and there are certainly keepers here. As far as thinking this team can't have the success St. Louis has had what do you base that on? This is the first competitive year after a complete rebuild on every level. You have nothing to compare it to. When you say "track record" who's are you talking about? Jim Hendry's? Because these guys don't have one yet. There are valid criticisms to be made here, and real improvement to be done but to the successes under the rug is foolish and frankly just kind of stupid.

 

[PatrickShart]

What do base your assumptions on that the Cubs haven't become a team that develops players well? You seem pretty quick to dismiss Bryant and the rest, think they might get better? This organization has done everything it said it was going to do to this point. This offseason is huge. For me the hitting mix isn't quite right. Two many of the same kind of hitters. That can be fixed and there are certainly keepers here. As far as thinking this team can't have the success St. Louis has had what do you base that on? This is the first competitive year after a complete rebuild on every level. You have nothing to compare it to. When you say "track record" who's are you talking about? Jim Hendry's? Because these guys don't have one yet. There are valid criticisms to be made here, and real improvement to be done but to the successes under the rug is foolish and frankly just kind of stupid.

I base my assumptions on the fact that, well for 100 or so years, they haven't.

Dismiss Bryant? No. But he's been dismal these playoffs. Unless 5 for 31 with 10 so's and only 2 RBI's is good in your book. Or his errors in the playoffs? If you're not hitting, is it too much to field routine ground balls?

Explain to me how are ground balls in the playoffs hit right at you different than ground balls hit to you in the regular season?

Some teams/organizations breed winners...some teams don't.

 

[brett05]

I base my assumptions on the fact that, well for 100 or so years, they haven't.

Dismiss Bryant? No. But he's been dismal these playoffs. Unless 5 for 31 with 10 so's and only 2 RBI's is good in your book. Or his errors in the playoffs? If you're not hitting, is it too much to field routine ground balls?

Explain to me how are ground balls in the playoffs hit right at you different than ground balls hit to you in the regular season?

Some teams/organizations breed winners...some teams don't.

1) The pressure is vastly different.
2) These are still kids

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I base my assumptions on the fact that, well for 100 or so years, they haven't.

Different ownership, different management and a different team. None of that is relevant.

Dismiss Bryant? No. But he's been dismal these playoffs. Unless 5 for 31 with 10 so's and only 2 RBI's is good in your book. Or his errors in the playoffs? If you're not hitting, is it too much to field routine ground balls?

Explain to me how are ground balls in the playoffs hit right at you different than ground balls hit to you in the regular season?

He's a rookie, one of the best in recent years. He hit a wall. Have you watched rookies before. No one's excusing him for anything but do you think this defines him as a player? At 23? C'mon.

Some teams/organizations breed winners...some teams don't.

Absolutely I agree. The thing is your trying define the Cubs organization by lumping in the history of the team. This is entirely different organization with, again, different ownership and management. What you're suggesting is that smart people and good players just fail when they put on a Cubs "C". That's about as useful as goats and cats.

 

[PatrickShart]

I guess it's a bit spoiling when there were 2 players wearing Hawks jerseys that were even younger that produce more when the games got bigger/pressure was on...rather than hit a wall or cower in the corner behind the wait until next year mantra